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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Pain Gaming vs Virtus ProVirtus Pro Win (12) 63% Pain Gaming Win (7) 37% 19 total votes Your vote: Pain Gaming vs Virtus Pro (Vote): Pain Gaming Win
(Vote): Virtus Pro Win
Poll: Fnatic vs Optic GamingOptic Gaming Win (12) 55% Fnatic Win (10) 45% 22 total votes Your vote: Fnatic vs Optic Gaming (Vote): Fnatic Win
(Vote): Optic Gaming Win
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Go pain gaming! Go unofficial streams! Go fnatic finishing runner ups again!
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I expect VP to win, but I'm really pulling for Pain to win today.
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Well time for reality check about who is the real dominating team except LGD
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time to 7-1 some Brazilians
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VP finally this tourny started picking up the Lesh and Pango , which were missing from their previous events , LETS GOOO VPPPPP
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Great team fight from Pain , lets see if they can actually find those big fights early on , not sure how VP takes those team fights early without the big items.
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Lanes are a complete disaster for paiN
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huge disrespect from VP. Solo and pasha kill hfn then immediately tip him
only for him to kill both of them less than 30 seconds later. Really rooting for Pain now!
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At TI6, when Mirana was meta, one game ppd pretty much lined the entire Radiant bot T1 all the way to the Dire base with sentries. Solo wasn't dropping that many, but it was pretty close.
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it looks like the easiest thing when VP just stand their ground as 5 as soon as they have the upper hand number wise. pain goes in as 3 or less, have to throw their spells and ultis in just to try to save rax. VP had nothing to fear.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Rodjer had an amazing clock game. That was scary.
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VP reads the game faster, they know what they want to do earlier. Pain was left in the dust once the decisions were harder to take.
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On May 26 2018 22:20 DropBear wrote:
huge disrespect from VP. Solo and pasha kill hfn then immediately tip him
only for him to kill both of them less than 30 seconds later. Really rooting for Pain now!
Hahah what the hell are you even talking about, this whole tourney all players have been tipping enemies when they kill them or outplay them or something, "huge disrespect"... VP did it, Mineski did it, Optic did it, Pain did it... they are just having fun and taunting a bit, it's not something that shows disrespect...
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On May 26 2018 22:20 DropBear wrote:
huge disrespect from VP. Solo and pasha kill hfn then immediately tip him
only for him to kill both of them less than 30 seconds later. Really rooting for Pain now!
I wouldn't fret too much. Pain vs Mineski yesterday was a tipfest on both sides, so I would guess both teams know to take it as playful and not disrespectful
E: ninjaed
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Props for ESL setup , great crowd and the tourny was running like clockwork with no delays (that i recall at least , didnt watch everything but most of it)
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
Crowd is pretty loud for pain
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On May 26 2018 22:53 Firebolt145 wrote:
Crowd is pretty loud for pain
Crowd without a local team always loves the Underdog.
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I love UK tournies. I actually get to watch them in NA!
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No disrespect to pain but thats all she wrote for them another 25 min game. The main question is who fron vp will take mercedes
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VP has abused the 1st pick Gyro really well in both games
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It feels like VP is playing with maphack. The map awareness is insane. And they use pretty much any second they get to push any lane or tower.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
VP has little high ground (Necro units is their best bet from beastmaster) and worse lategame so this game might drag out lol, think VP will close it out with an easy Rosh soon tho.
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On May 26 2018 23:32 Sloke wrote:
It feels like VP is playing with maphack. The map awareness is insane. And they use pretty much any second they get to push any lane or tower.
Top level dota is always about vision.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
The kills/ratio in this game is insane lmao
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On May 26 2018 23:34 Kipsate wrote:
VP has little high ground (Necro units is their best bet from beastmaster) and worse lategame so this game might drag out lol, think VP will close it out with an easy Rosh soon tho.
If Gyro can ever get a BKB...
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Now slowly the hard carries from pain kick in... VP have to go fast!
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Netherlands45349 Posts
VP doesn't have that much dmg when they get BKBs on Pain so there is actually a chance if they can hold on before VP runs them over, this Medusa is pretty farmed actually.
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Well, made it to 30 minutes, haha.
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not to take anything away from pain but it shows that they are playing against arguably the best team in the world ...
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holy hell that gyro died fast!
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Only true 4p1 hero remaining in dota is TB. Even dusa is pretty useless if teammates are poor.
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all game hfn activated ulti on dusa too early and now, in the last fight, he didn't even activate it :/
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On May 26 2018 23:46 Sloke wrote:
not to take anything away from pain but it shows that they are playing against arguably the best team in the world ...
Pain's first real taste of high-level prep & drafting, as well. On-Stage stuff is just rough, as a team of people just spent the last day trying to find every weakness to exploit.
However, Pain still has the 3rd place game tomorrow. That could be fun.
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The problem against VP even more so than against other top teams is that it's hard to even get into the game. They regularly pick strong lanes, and they are really good laners as players. paiN didn't really get to do much in either game.
That's a big concern for Fnatic especially if they manage to beat Optic. Fnatic occasionally either picks too weak lanes or plays them a bit poorly, which leads to quick losses against VP. Not sure exactly how Optic match up draft wise, haven't watched them that closely
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I was wondering why Tobi wasn't commenting, but he probably helped judge.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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I just realized that optic vs fnatic is the new PPD vs EE classic in the vein of Clown 9 vs EG. I'm going to have to remember how to flame EE again, and fast
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This game is such a let down after pain vs VP.
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so much for a great dota weekend ...
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what did you expect from this shit ESL format, VP will win with 10 games 
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optic hit their timing in game 1, smashing through fnatic and taking two rax at 27 minutes
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EE's performance has been pretty bad, but OpTic's hasn't been much better
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think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major
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On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major
ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta)
but Optic is the upcoming TI contender
what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else)
unlikeable or not, thats their strengths
edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period
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On May 27 2018 01:24 plasmidghost wrote:
EE's performance has been pretty bad, but OpTic's hasn't been much better
Optic gives up about 3-4 too many core kills pre-15 minutes. It's been their problem all year, but they hit their timing and win. That's why ppd has an Aegis.
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
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On May 27 2018 01:28 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta) but Optic is the upcoming TI contender what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else) unlikeable or not, thats their strengths edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period
We didn't see everyone every weekend. We got a bunch more International LANs this year, at the cost of regional ones.
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outside of these terrible teams i think the quality of games has never been better but this has been the worst year of dota. its like all of the shitty tournaments had their own competition to see who could come up with the worst format. also bad teams getting invites to huge tournaments. ugh.
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On May 27 2018 01:36 apes wrote:
outside of these terrible teams i think the quality of games has never been better but this has been the worst year of dota. its like all of the shitty tournaments had their own competition to see who could come up with the worst format. also bad teams getting invites to huge tournaments. ugh.
We pretty much lost the 2 week events, and any really big tournaments before the start of the New Year. We're going to end up having 7 "majors" in a 4.5 month period. There's no time to build hype, or for the teams to prepare consistently. (See "Newbee at everything" issue.)
It's been a lot of Dota, but the Meta shifts every 2 weeks with the patches.
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On May 27 2018 01:36 apes wrote:
outside of these terrible teams i think the quality of games has never been better but this has been the worst year of dota. its like all of the shitty tournaments had their own competition to see who could come up with the worst format. also bad teams getting invites to huge tournaments. ugh.
could you be more negative please
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On May 27 2018 01:44 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:36 apes wrote:
outside of these terrible teams i think the quality of games has never been better but this has been the worst year of dota. its like all of the shitty tournaments had their own competition to see who could come up with the worst format. also bad teams getting invites to huge tournaments. ugh. could you be more negative please
half of these shit tournaments are streamed on facebook
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On May 27 2018 01:45 apes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:44 Achaian wrote:On May 27 2018 01:36 apes wrote:
outside of these terrible teams i think the quality of games has never been better but this has been the worst year of dota. its like all of the shitty tournaments had their own competition to see who could come up with the worst format. also bad teams getting invites to huge tournaments. ugh. could you be more negative please half of these shit tournaments are streamed on facebook
Well to be honest , you dont need facebook to stream it and i never had such a high quality stream , so thats a moot point!
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I still think Fnatic will win this series, but man neither of these teams are going to come close to beating VP
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On May 27 2018 01:47 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:45 apes wrote:On May 27 2018 01:44 Achaian wrote:On May 27 2018 01:36 apes wrote:
outside of these terrible teams i think the quality of games has never been better but this has been the worst year of dota. its like all of the shitty tournaments had their own competition to see who could come up with the worst format. also bad teams getting invites to huge tournaments. ugh. could you be more negative please half of these shit tournaments are streamed on facebook Well to be honest , you dont need facebook to stream it and i never had such a high quality stream , so thats a moot point!
Streaming it though VLC have given me 0 issues as well, and there is plenty of other talent available on twitch to watch if people dont wanna watch on facebook.
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On May 27 2018 01:48 plasmidghost wrote:
I still think Fnatic will win this series, but man neither of these teams are going to come close to beating VP
VP is the heavy favorite, but Optic isn't out of it. It'll come down to shutting down VP's vision game.
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we have a slark game on our hands
time to watch this utterly disgusting hero rise once more
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United States15275 Posts
Universe should've focused on pressuring CCnC mid. Now he's let 33 catch back up with only a support kill to show for it.
I guess it allowed Abed to dominate mid though.
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Universe pushed the DP out of mid two times and the casters say it wasn't a good move on his part, 2 minutes later they hype Abed up for winning his lane against DP. Guess what..
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this kunkka is getting spooky
I think this game goes to fnatic unless there are some spectacular night stalker misplays
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Nightstalker still winning laning phases.
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tactical courier feeding????
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here is hope both teams get it together for game 3.
but fnc dumpsters optic even more than the other way around in game 1 ...
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just seems like both of these teams is only able to do stuff on death prophet if they are ahead, both envy and ccnc had non existant impact on the game when they were behind
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First Blood is the only kill that Optic got in game 2... lol
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
Can we just stop picking death prophet and dragon Knight please
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On May 27 2018 02:30 Firebolt145 wrote:
Can we just stop picking death prophet and dragon Knight please
Stable laners, strong tower hitters.
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is this the patch where if you can body down your opponents you simply win?
not leads by "stealing" kills, you gotta body them down
idk
imo: TI7 meta was rly nice to watch competitively (perhaps not so fun to play)
there were very clear clean cut defined styles between teams (secret,liquid,NB,VP), all of them always their own hero sets
but all of them somehow always had chance, the biggest contrast was when NB/other cn heavily rely on teamfights and comeback gold, very very contrasting heroes get picked, both sides not really wishing to "steal" picks, instead have their own.
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Universe's early rotation was incredibly successful. He provided EE freedom to farm more bottom, he pushed CCnC out of mid lane for several minutes, and DJ got a free top lane to get a min 8 lvl 6. Then when the first night ended, Universe could return top to farm the lane while DJ went bottom to make plays with his level 6. Blitz didn't really seem to notice what was happening at that moment
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On May 27 2018 01:28 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta) but Optic is the upcoming TI contender what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else) unlikeable or not, thats their strengths edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period
I don't think Optic is as good as you make them sound. They are promising, yes, but they are not even tier 1 according to me, let alone TI contender. They haven't done anything in any proper tournament that had all the top teams this whole season. Well, by the looks of things, its still not sure if Optic will even be there at TI.
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On May 27 2018 02:32 550 wrote:
is this the patch where if you can body down your opponents you simply win?
not leads by "stealing" kills, you gotta body them down
idk
imo: TI7 meta was rly nice to watch competitively (perhaps not so fun to play)
there were very clear clean cut defined styles between teams (secret,liquid,NB,VP), all of them always with similar hero sets
but all of them somehow always had chance, the biggest contrast was when NB/other cn heavily rely on teamfights and comeback gold, very very contrasting heroes get picked, both sides not really wishing to "steal" picks, instead have their own.
Buyback changes really changed the way a lot of the game plays.
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On May 27 2018 02:33 spudde123 wrote:
Universe's early rotation was incredibly successful. He provided EE freedom to farm more bottom, he pushed CCnC out of mid lane for several minutes, and DJ got a free top lane to get a min 8 lvl 6. Then when the first night ended, Universe could return top to farm the lane while DJ went bottom to make plays with his level 6. Blitz didn't really seem to notice what was happening at that moment
Yes. That NS & Undying won Fnatic the lanes. I was tilting seeing Universe doing nuthin the first night time, but the harass on DP really paid off big-time.
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United States15275 Posts
On May 27 2018 02:33 spudde123 wrote:
Universe's early rotation was incredibly successful. He provided EE freedom to farm more bottom, he pushed CCnC out of mid lane for several minutes, and DJ got a free top lane to get a min 8 lvl 6. Then when the first night ended, Universe could return top to farm the lane while DJ went bottom to make plays with his level 6. Blitz didn't really seem to notice what was happening at that moment
I partially blame Optic's lane setup. A standard 2-1-2 would've let zai get level 2 much faster, opening up opportunities to pressure mid and bottom. 33 could've chosen to push the waves into the tower instead of pulling them through the river. But he had no leeway to lay his DoT onto Universe.
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On May 27 2018 02:35 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 02:33 spudde123 wrote:
Universe's early rotation was incredibly successful. He provided EE freedom to farm more bottom, he pushed CCnC out of mid lane for several minutes, and DJ got a free top lane to get a min 8 lvl 6. Then when the first night ended, Universe could return top to farm the lane while DJ went bottom to make plays with his level 6. Blitz didn't really seem to notice what was happening at that moment Yes. That NS & Undying won Fnatic the lanes. I was tilting seeing Universe doing nuthin the first night time, but the harass on DP really paid off big-time.
NS winning lanes into a snowball victory is kind of the script to beat Optic, from the NA region.
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In game 1 not sure if Fnatic could have done better top lane, but the game got really hard with that DP rotation top that got scouted by Optic's well placed ward. It's understandable EE wanted to make that move because Visage was about to hit 6 and he couldn't really stay bottom with DP, but it probably was pretty obvious for Optic as well and they put the lane ward down in advance and EE didn't use a smoke for it.
After that Fnatic had no chance really of contesting all the towers against Visage+Lesh, and Optic got deep wards down and the game was super hard to do anything in for Fnatic.
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On May 27 2018 02:33 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 01:28 550 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta) but Optic is the upcoming TI contender what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else) unlikeable or not, thats their strengths edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period I don't think Optic is as good as you make them sound. They are promising, yes, but they are not even tier 1 according to me, let alone TI contender. They haven't done anything in any proper tournament that had all the top teams this whole season. Well, by the looks of things, its still not sure if Optic will even be there at TI.
they got 33's Visage steal-the-game pick
n other pocket strats
its a huge advantage to be familiar with a few winning drafts
n im sayin they have the makings of winning "by-chance" the way other teams that win TI usually go, deservingly, but also having one two key opponents defeated by someone else
mayb a SEA/CN team knocking out the strongest contender, then gets stomped somewhere, this happens alot
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they gave Lesh n visage again (saying this after the 3 bans)
fnatic really wants to lose
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This is it; win this game and you have a pretty good shot at TI Fnatic!
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On May 27 2018 02:47 550 wrote:
they gave Lesh n visage again (saying this after the 3 bans)
fnatic really wants to lose
Visage is usually banned in the second phase as he usually isn't hero that get picked in the first phase. Unless my stream is behind yours, Visage is getting banned.
EDIT: And as I type that, he is banned.
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prob a spec for fnatic? really good to prevent axe initiation with haunt
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On May 27 2018 02:43 550 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 02:33 arghyad1 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:28 550 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta) but Optic is the upcoming TI contender what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else) unlikeable or not, thats their strengths edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period I don't think Optic is as good as you make them sound. They are promising, yes, but they are not even tier 1 according to me, let alone TI contender. They haven't done anything in any proper tournament that had all the top teams this whole season. Well, by the looks of things, its still not sure if Optic will even be there at TI. they got 33's Visage steal-the-game pick n other pocket strats its a huge advantage to be familiar with a few winning drafts n im sayin they have the makings of winning "by-chance" the way other teams that win TI usually go, deservingly, but also having one two key opponents defeated by someone else mayb a SEA/CN team knocking out the strongest contender, then gets stomped somewhere, this happens alot
Hmm. May be. But in Optic's case, I feel like they would have to hope for 5-6 top teams to get knocked out at least.
And anyway, their real next challenge is the NA qualifiers. That won't be much easier than the competition they faced in this major so far.
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On May 27 2018 02:50 arghyad1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 02:43 550 wrote:On May 27 2018 02:33 arghyad1 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:28 550 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta) but Optic is the upcoming TI contender what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else) unlikeable or not, thats their strengths edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period I don't think Optic is as good as you make them sound. They are promising, yes, but they are not even tier 1 according to me, let alone TI contender. They haven't done anything in any proper tournament that had all the top teams this whole season. Well, by the looks of things, its still not sure if Optic will even be there at TI. they got 33's Visage steal-the-game pick n other pocket strats its a huge advantage to be familiar with a few winning drafts n im sayin they have the makings of winning "by-chance" the way other teams that win TI usually go, deservingly, but also having one two key opponents defeated by someone else mayb a SEA/CN team knocking out the strongest contender, then gets stomped somewhere, this happens alot Hmm. May be. But in Optic's case, I feel like they would have to hope for 5-6 top teams to get knocked out at least. And anyway, their real next challenge is the NA qualifiers. That won't be much easier than the competition they faced in this major so far.
isnt their only competition just vg.j storm? lol eg is in shambles and col and imt r meh, i feel like i am missing a team though
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
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wonder if its kunka support and ogre offlane 😂
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On May 27 2018 02:51 nVme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 02:50 arghyad1 wrote:On May 27 2018 02:43 550 wrote:On May 27 2018 02:33 arghyad1 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:28 550 wrote:On May 27 2018 01:24 apes wrote:
think id rather be tied down and forced to watch shanghai major on repeat than watch these terrible teams in the semifinal of a major ur wrong dude, yes fnatic is pretty terrible (this meta) but Optic is the upcoming TI contender what they wish for is pretty realistic aswel (harder opponents get beaten by someone else) unlikeable or not, thats their strengths edit: regarding majors, its kinda true though, competitive dota was alot more hype at that period I don't think Optic is as good as you make them sound. They are promising, yes, but they are not even tier 1 according to me, let alone TI contender. They haven't done anything in any proper tournament that had all the top teams this whole season. Well, by the looks of things, its still not sure if Optic will even be there at TI. they got 33's Visage steal-the-game pick n other pocket strats its a huge advantage to be familiar with a few winning drafts n im sayin they have the makings of winning "by-chance" the way other teams that win TI usually go, deservingly, but also having one two key opponents defeated by someone else mayb a SEA/CN team knocking out the strongest contender, then gets stomped somewhere, this happens alot Hmm. May be. But in Optic's case, I feel like they would have to hope for 5-6 top teams to get knocked out at least. And anyway, their real next challenge is the NA qualifiers. That won't be much easier than the competition they faced in this major so far. isnt their only competition just vg.j storm? lol eg is in shambles and col and imt r meh, i feel like i am missing a team though
No. I also counted these 4. I am skeptic coz Optic has failed to qualify in most qualifiers they played this season & crashed out to 1 of those 3 teams..
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EE is the only one I've seen win with Spectre this patch
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I love Panel Meta. Last to choose never wants to Caster Curse the situation.
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The CS:GO/Dota overlap in teams seem like it's driving a lot of the crowd. Interesting!
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Optic needs to win fast. Their line-up does have the potential for a fast finish.
Late game is Fnatic's I think.
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Who hits towers before 30 minutes on Fnatic?
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i see Fnatic getting bodied down here so far 4 heroes picked both sides
idk.
howd u save fnatic
maybe
WD? Timber?
edit: its bat
idk man lets see how they survive if they ever get scared down by Lycan/Razer then initiated on
shackling the Lycan will not matter so much (its a difficult target to bring down), then axe comes with lesh, feeling optic here
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Carry Axe. Huh. I hope Pajkatt has something interesting on his build. Or 33 is actually going to be the carry.
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Not entirely sure how fnatic expects to kill Axe Lycan or Razor past the early game.
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ODpixel drops a terrible pun, but Blitz just walks away.
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Why is Fnatic sacrificing spec..?? I don't like this...
Edit : Lycan complete free farm too. Optic should take this.
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On May 27 2018 03:01 Xurr wrote:
Not entirely sure how fnatic expects to kill Axe Lycan or Razor past the early game.
should be all pickoffs, i think they are giving lycan free farm cause bat can just lasso him and banking on ee to catchup with haunt pickoffs by focusing on the mid and safe lanes
edit: game might be on dj to neutralize bane and abed for counter initiation
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Envy doing reasonable considering his lane
Edit: Fnatic self destructing very quickly
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I really don't get this play from Fnatic. They completely ignored top lane with lycan farming free and spec gettin hammered. They just gifted this game to Optic. It looked like 4 heralds hoping 1 divine (Abed) mid would carry them through.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
watching on trackdota, my impression is that fnatic are currently on a quick trip to the dumpster. anyone care to confirm?
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On May 27 2018 03:16 Nocticate wrote:
watching on trackdota, my impression is that fnatic are currently on a quick trip to the dumpster. anyone care to confirm?
Yes, but I never count out envy unless he's up a rax
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On May 27 2018 03:16 Nocticate wrote:
watching on trackdota, my impression is that fnatic are currently on a quick trip to the dumpster. anyone care to confirm?
Envy is still farming reasonable, it comes down to if they can take a big radiance fight with spectre
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radiance is not enough, they're just too much ahead
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Yeah there was the first Haunt with Radiance, it simply does nothing against the optic cores apart from blocking the blink of Axe, awesome.
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that one 33 pickoff is just a moral victory
what use they still lost out on 1 bounty rune
therefore, they still losing gold and getting bigger gold disadvantage
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Pieliedie is doing an amazing job at making sure to tank envys ganks this game
On May 27 2018 03:26 550 wrote:
that one 33 pickoff is just a moral victory
what use they still lost out on 1 bounty rune
therefore, they still losing gold and getting bigger gold disadvantage
Experience gain on spectre is still huge
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Universe? what the hell was that lol
at least the next failed lasso forced a bkb. Poor guy lol
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On May 27 2018 03:27 OmniEulogy wrote:
Universe? what the hell was that lol
at least the next failed lasso forced a bkb. Poor guy lol
That was sortof ok, linkens reveal and they ddid not really lose much on it
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On May 27 2018 03:26 ragnorr wrote:Pieliedie is doing an amazing job at making sure to tank envys ganks this game Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 03:26 550 wrote:
that one 33 pickoff is just a moral victory
what use they still lost out on 1 bounty rune
therefore, they still losing gold and getting bigger gold disadvantage Experience gain on spectre is still huge
Not sure. Spectre's talents are awful and her stat gain is atrocious
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On May 27 2018 03:31 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 03:26 ragnorr wrote:Pieliedie is doing an amazing job at making sure to tank envys ganks this game On May 27 2018 03:26 550 wrote:
that one 33 pickoff is just a moral victory
what use they still lost out on 1 bounty rune
therefore, they still losing gold and getting bigger gold disadvantage Experience gain on spectre is still huge Not sure. Spectre's talents are awful and her stat gain is atrocious
Haunt cooldown is pretty much what fnatic is playing around
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what was that cheese usage lol
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gg, gonna be a good final, hope VP takes it :p
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what the fuck is fnatic doing lol, chasing with megacreeps
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Fnatic had decent chances, except they fucked up 3 fights in a row badly, and got picked off, and you can't allow that against Lycan.
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So, for the Finals:
VP beats Optic again at a Major or Optic upsets VP and goes to TI8.
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Damn, what a bad way to end the season
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Ugh this format, you are so use to tournaments having final after the losers bracket and now we have to wait an entire day for it
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so who thinks optic can take 1 or even 2 maps off of VP?
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On May 27 2018 03:43 Sloke wrote:
so who thinks optic can take 1 or even 2 maps off of VP?
I think this will be like when we had VGJ.S vs LGD. Tier 2 meets tier 1
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The only remaining teams to break into top8 dpc are Optic tomorrow and EG, TNC and Final Tribe at the supermajor. (Assuming no roster changes on EG)
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I assume tommorow we will start with a spectacular clownfest for playing for 40k $
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On May 27 2018 03:47 ragnorr wrote:
I assume tommorow we will start with a spectacular clownfest for playing for 40k $
But it's w33ha & Pain against Fnatic, with only money on the line. I expect all of the funky picks.
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Should be 4th major for VP. I think they will be extra serious as they will match OG's record if they get this.
Still will root for Optic though, but I don't think VP will gift them games like Fnatic did.
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On May 27 2018 03:49 arghyad1 wrote:
Should be 4th major for VP. I think they will be extra serious as they will match OG's record if they get this.
Still will root for Optic though, but I don't think VP will gift them games like Fnatic did.
Winning means they will get #1 in dpc ranking no matter what as well
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On May 27 2018 03:49 arghyad1 wrote:
Should be 4th major for VP. I think they will be extra serious as they will match OG's record if they get this.
Still will root for Optic though, but I don't think VP will gift them games like Fnatic did.
VP is the clear favorite, but I give Optic a 30% chance. Though I expect some unorthodox approaches tomorrow. In a straight Standard Strategy vs Standard Strategy match, VP wins just because their approach will counter Optics. ppd teams have always had issues with extremely early pressure & rotations, but it's normally not in the meta (nor able to pull it off like VP can). I expect 3-man gank squad, early grabs for a Visage and massive vision drafting.
Optic's Bloodseeker pick was a prelude to some of the things we can expect. I just expect them not to get rolled over in lanes so hard. Granted, I also think Optic's best case scenario is winning this in 5 games, unless they just figure something about about VP. Or VP was out drinking too much, but they seem really dialed in for this one.
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