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Poll: Pain Gaming vs MineskiPain Gaming Win (19) 58% Mineski Win (14) 42% 33 total votes Your vote: Pain Gaming vs Mineski (Vote): Pain Gaming Win
(Vote): Mineski Win
Poll: OG vs FnaticOG Win (13) 54% Fnatic Win (11) 46% 24 total votes Your vote: OG vs Fnatic (Vote): OG Win
(Vote): Fnatic Win
Should be interesting. Not quite sure what to expect from Pain today.
OG vs Fnatic could get weird. Especially if it goes late.
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Robbed your post to add the polls into Taf, i forgot to post them!
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Think both matches are pretty close, more hoping OG then being sure.
Pain won over TL two times this tournament, but Mineski should be better team. And only team that looks really good here is VP that just look on another level. When VP is good they just seem better then everybody else on top form.
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3 day bracket for only 6 matches total? :/ this format gets dumber everytime I look at it
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i have the unrealistic wish, that valve will never give them a dota tourney again.
The only thing that is major is the price pool.
The supermajor group stage could have more games then the hole esl format (60 vs 56 max)
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On May 25 2018 19:58 misirlou wrote:
3 day bracket for only 6 matches total? :/ this format gets dumber everytime I look at it
ESL is dumb and u should know it from the first major they've made
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VP and Optic reached top 4 with 5 and 6 GAMES xD
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On May 25 2018 20:34 chabode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 19:58 misirlou wrote:
3 day bracket for only 6 matches total? :/ this format gets dumber everytime I look at it ESL is dumb and u should know it from the first major they've made
On the one hand i enjoy seeing what kind of crap they can conjure up to beat the previous format, on the other hand its sortof sad this gives DPC points
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On May 25 2018 17:43 Pandemona wrote:
Robbed your post to add the polls into Taf, i forgot to post them!
All good! I got a laugh out of it.
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I want fnatic to at least reach the finals but their recent performances says otherwise
if not that then Pain reaching the finals LUL
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Ah, I was wondering when Machine would show up. (Also looks like he's got a nice tan, haha.)
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just excited to see some weird dotes from pain and mineski
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kinda surprising that slark got that much out of his lane
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hfn plays a scary Slark. Mineski is going to have problems.
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First slark that I see carrying own sentries to deward asap, an obvious thing that should be done by every slark but nobody does it yet
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On May 25 2018 22:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:
hfn plays a scary Slark. Mineski is going to have problems.
wow you are right
hfn does play a freaky slark
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slark bringing his own sentry this is so next level(it's much cheaper than gem and no changes of dropping)
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All these max range pounces..
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And he still picked the Pact talent instead of +3s pounce
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On May 25 2018 22:46 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 22:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:
hfn plays a scary Slark. Mineski is going to have problems. wow you are right hfn does play a freaky slark
Okay, per DotaBuff, he hasn't played it much in the last 2 years, but I know I've seen him roll a team with it.
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Okay, the panel knew, but I'm not sure where I'd seen him play it.
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SA improved a lot huh
Still got a lot to go, but it was clearly not useless to give SA a spot in the DPC
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On May 25 2018 23:00 Pontual wrote:
SA improved a lot huh
Still got a lot to go, but it was clearly not useless to give SA a spot in the DPC
i mean it's still really just PaiN, but they're def doing well. if they get the invite it'll be bad though, I don't think there's a good second team from SA that I would want to see from the qualifiers.
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On May 25 2018 23:00 Pontual wrote:
SA improved a lot huh
Still got a lot to go, but it was clearly not useless to give SA a spot in the DPC
Slots means a lot of guys really went "pro" in approach. Scene has a ways to go, but w33ha is helping as well. Experience matters.
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if i'm mineski i wouldn't give slark next game unless they're confident that they figured how hfn went online and can prevent it
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On May 25 2018 22:59 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Okay, the panel knew, but I'm not sure where I'd seen him play it.
I assume this is one those pubstar effects like we know pubstars can translate their best 1v9 hero into proscene(rtz, miracle, suma1l, w33ha etc etc)
HFN is just really confident with slark that his movements, farming pattern and killer instinct live up to it even in a pro-game against a legit team with proper mindset and support
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Just pick am against slark. Mski is 1 of the few teams that still play AM too.
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On May 25 2018 23:13 babysimba wrote:
Just pick am against slark. Mski is 1 of the few teams that still play AM too.
pl works similarly with diffusal but without the blink disengage tho and the solo kill potential
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Not a good look game one; I have faith that Mineski can outplay paiN if they don't lose at the draft screen.
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suddenly tb is not picked anymore ?
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Mineski is a much better team for sure, i have faith pain can pull it off if they can guarantee their naga.
oh mineski picked it, damn
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On May 25 2018 23:14 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 23:13 babysimba wrote:
Just pick am against slark. Mski is 1 of the few teams that still play AM too. pl works similarly with diffusal but without the blink disengage tho and the solo kill potential
Different way of counters. PL is better against slark more in the combat aspect.
AM rekt slark in the macro aspect of the game. Slark is good against lineups that like to split up more which is Mski's playstyle. However, playing AM against slark will allow Mski to play their exact same playstyle which they are comfortable in.
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On May 25 2018 23:22 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2018 23:14 goody153 wrote:On May 25 2018 23:13 babysimba wrote:
Just pick am against slark. Mski is 1 of the few teams that still play AM too. pl works similarly with diffusal but without the blink disengage tho and the solo kill potential Different way of counters. PL is better against slark more in the combat aspect. AM rekt slark in the macro aspect of the game. Slark is good against lineups that like to split up more which is Mski's playstyle. However, playing AM against slark will allow Mski to play their exact same playstyle which they are comfortable in.
That makes more sense. AM played properly puts the slark lineup in a bad position eventually and has a solo kill potential even on slark. Pushing the issue on slark to make an action as they have to play reactively more than the AM lineup
Then we have PL can do better than alot of other carries against slark due to the short cooldown disengage
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Dealing with iceiceice is costing 71 a lot of hair.
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71 believe in iceiceice micro skills so much that he is trying to force him to emulate 33's lycan lol.
Alright I'm wrong, it's a carry lycan which I don't think Mushi is good at
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Lycan zoo, brewlings, naga illusions, dk tankiess. All seems good at diving DP's exorcism
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Dont think this is the troll game they wanted. Everybody from the other side is too tanky and can dish out too much magic damage forcing him early bkb instead of going greedy
but i believe in the greedy carry + w33ha combination (it works like wonders as proven already)
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With w33ha to anchor, Pain is really kind of doing a "discount VP" approach to a lot of this.
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absolutely absurd execution around the tier 1 from PaiN. I thought they'd get run over by Mineski but wowowowowow.
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6 years between pro Lycan games, lol.
But, this game could get out of hand if Pain win two more fights.
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the SA boys are about to get 4th place major
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didn't mushi give an interview where he stated he doesn't like or can't really play microintensive heroes? with the insane killbounties on hotd-creeps I don't kbnow if it's clever to give mushi those heroes.
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Forgot about the Disruptor/Troll synergy.
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And I really like the way Pain is playing around the Disruptor.
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I'm pretty excited for SA Dota, hopefully paiN's stellar improvement helps the rest of the region
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On May 25 2018 23:48 plasmidghost wrote:
I'm pretty excited for SA Dota, hopefully paiN's stellar improvement helps the rest of the region
Agreed. And Tavo is showing he's really good again.
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I'm so tired of DP, it's such a boring hero. I was ok with a lot of heroes being first pick materials for a longer time like io, bat, earth spirit because they were cool to watch but DP is too boring.
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DO IT PAIN, GO FOR THE THROAT
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Looks like a fast execution.
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Not quite itemized for hitting all of the buildings yet, but Mineski is in a world of hurt already.
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in what world is mski winning this fight mid after song? they were already losing and decided to stay? ... they are sure tilted at this point. wp pain.
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lmao that was a characteristic throw expected from the region but how many buybacks was that holy shit
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i hate esl format
i hate biweekly patch change even more
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Mineski just imploding at this point. Would take a real effort from Pain to lose this one now.
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On May 25 2018 23:54 Sloke wrote:
in what world is mski winning this fight mid after song? they were already losing and decided to stay? ... they are sure tilted at this point. wp pain.
They commited everything, they had a better shot at trying to win this fight than defending on highground without ulties.
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I havent paid much attention to dota lately, but the international approaches again which I'll try to keep up with. So if Pain win this tournament, would the receive enoguh dpc point to be in position for a direct invite?
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It's still so early that respawns are short, haha.
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On May 25 2018 23:58 Mafe wrote:
I havent paid much attention to dota lately, but the international approaches again which I'll try to keep up with. So if Pain win this tournament, would the receive enoguh dpc point to be in position for a direct invite?
No, they changed roster about a month back to bring W33ha in.
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w33 bringing the offensive gg habits with him
Pretty impressive from paiN. Nice drafts in both games and played them well
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Pain came to play. They've taken out both TL & Mineski. Now, can they beat VP?
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ICE ICE ICE LOOKS FUCKING PISSED
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European mercenaries working out again.
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2 melee carry vs Destroyer pure melee killer, what is Mineski thinking?
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LMAO THAT PUB TEAM ANALOGY
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doto do Brasil!
Next their semifinal against VP (as the Germans).
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It's still crazy that paiN have beaten the reigning TI champs 3-1 and 2-0ed a recent Major winner
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I think it might be possible that if pain is gonna face VP next series like right now they'd actually probably sweep VP too but since they're playing tomorrow the momentum might be gone.
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On May 26 2018 00:07 plasmidghost wrote:
It's still crazy that paiN have beaten the reigning TI champs 3-1 and 2-0ed a recent Major winner
Yup, and they played a lot like VP with those early rotations and really aggressive maneuvers. Tavo was just clowning Mineski as well.
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Man, some really impressive dota from Pain going this tourney
Game 1 was a clear outdraft, I agree with panel.
Game 2 was a little weird. They took the naga as kind of a deny pick early on, but they couldn't really utilize the naga song well at all with their draft. Saw a lot of songs they tried to turn around and fail. And pain were playing with the disruptor so well, duster felt like MVP that game
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On May 26 2018 00:03 Faruko wrote:
ICE ICE ICE LOOKS FUCKING PISSED
Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage.
I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game.
Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season.
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On May 26 2018 00:11 MetalMercury wrote:Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage. I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game. Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season.
Post-7.00 metas move so quickly, they could be great at the Super Major.
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On May 26 2018 00:11 MetalMercury wrote:Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage. I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game. Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season.
You win some you lose some. You can't win them all
unless you are VP or LGD on streak apparently
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Though it does need to be noted that the scene has massively improved in consistency over the last several months. I think the Chinese scene adopting Coach Drafting has really changed the scene, and the response has been great. It's also been really unstable, as well.
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On May 26 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Though it does need to be noted that the scene has massively improved in consistency over the last several months. I think the Chinese scene adopting Coach Drafting has really changed the scene, and the response has been great. It's also been really unstable, as well.
So many winners left and right, upsets too all over the town.
TI is gonna be lit since i think LGD/VP so far are the safest bet and they aren't even that safe
This year is great competitively tbh
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On May 26 2018 00:13 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:11 MetalMercury wrote:On May 26 2018 00:03 Faruko wrote:
ICE ICE ICE LOOKS FUCKING PISSED Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage. I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game. Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season. You win some you lose some. You can't win them all unless you are VP or LGD on streak apparently
I just needed to vent.
Mineski looks pretty bad right now, and I hope they use the two months before TI to completely reinvent themselves or they're just gonna scrub out at TI and waste the potential of the best team that SEA has ever had.
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On May 26 2018 00:23 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:13 goody153 wrote:On May 26 2018 00:11 MetalMercury wrote:On May 26 2018 00:03 Faruko wrote:
ICE ICE ICE LOOKS FUCKING PISSED Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage. I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game. Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season. You win some you lose some. You can't win them all unless you are VP or LGD on streak apparently I just needed to vent. Mineski looks pretty bad right now, and I hope they use the two months before TI to completely reinvent themselves or they're just gonna scrub out at TI and waste the potential of the best team that SEA has ever had.
Mineski with Net and kyxy, never forget.
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On May 26 2018 00:13 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:11 MetalMercury wrote:On May 26 2018 00:03 Faruko wrote:
ICE ICE ICE LOOKS FUCKING PISSED Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage. I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game. Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season. You win some you lose some. You can't win them all unless you are VP or LGD on streak apparently
Miniski is a wildcard, some times they show up to a tournement and look like a dorminant force like we saw early in the DPC season and at DAC. Otheer times they show up and look average at best
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On May 26 2018 00:16 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Though it does need to be noted that the scene has massively improved in consistency over the last several months. I think the Chinese scene adopting Coach Drafting has really changed the scene, and the response has been great. It's also been really unstable, as well. So many winners left and right, upsets too all over the town. TI is gonna be lit since i think LGD/VP so far are the safest bet and they aren't even that safe This year is great competitively tbh
The global level keeps improving and the gap between the best and the rest is smaller and smaller but the patch frequency added a luck factor about who would discover the "rythm" and heroes of the patch first. I hope valve will give the players a stable patch at least a month before TI.
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On May 26 2018 00:23 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:13 goody153 wrote:On May 26 2018 00:11 MetalMercury wrote:On May 26 2018 00:03 Faruko wrote:
ICE ICE ICE LOOKS FUCKING PISSED Mineski's picks in this series were absolutely garbage. I have no faith that they can outplay teams anymore; the only good players on that team right now are Mushi and Moon. If they don't win the draft they just lose the game. Winning DAC might have been the worst thing that could have happened to Mineski because now they have a zero percent chance of doing anything relevant for the rest of the season. You win some you lose some. You can't win them all unless you are VP or LGD on streak apparently I just needed to vent. Mineski looks pretty bad right now, and I hope they use the two months before TI to completely reinvent themselves or they're just gonna scrub out at TI and waste the potential of the best team that SEA has ever had.
Don't worry my man i'm gonna join in disappointment. I'm already preparing myself for the inevitable Fnatic tilt
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And i still think this whole fast patching has been kinda bad, i like fast patches, but just to adjust a little stuff, leave stuff like no gold on towers + new stuff for BIG patches after a season or something.
The meta is changing EVERY. SINGLE. WEEK. and i think it feels much worse
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Apparently there was an interview of w33ha saying that everybody kept talking Portuguese and he just pretends he's playing on pubs lol
Anybody catched that ?.Not sure if he's joking or half-true if he really said that
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Yeah, subleties are lost when you have to rediscover the basics all the time.
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On May 26 2018 00:34 Faruko wrote:
And i still think this whole fast patching has been kinda bad, i like fast patches, but just to adjust a little stuff, leave stuff like no gold on towers + new stuff for BIG patches after a season or something.
The meta is changing EVERY. SINGLE. WEEK. and i think it feels much worse
Yeah leave the big changes for longer durations. The hero changes are fine though
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On May 26 2018 00:30 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:16 goody153 wrote:On May 26 2018 00:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Though it does need to be noted that the scene has massively improved in consistency over the last several months. I think the Chinese scene adopting Coach Drafting has really changed the scene, and the response has been great. It's also been really unstable, as well. So many winners left and right, upsets too all over the town. TI is gonna be lit since i think LGD/VP so far are the safest bet and they aren't even that safe This year is great competitively tbh The global level keeps improving and the gap between the best and the rest is smaller and smaller but the patch frequency added a luck factor about who would discover the "rythm" and heroes of the patch first. I hope valve will give the players a stable patch at least a month before TI.
I think the plan is only two more patches before the TI qualifiers, then maybe one last patch that will be the (relatively) stable patch until TI.
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Is the next series really gonna start in an hour ? Not really watching the fb stream(more like i can't cause it freezes for me)
If so i'm just do something else
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On May 26 2018 00:41 goody153 wrote:
Is the next series really gonna start in an hour ? Not really watching the fb stream(more like i can't cause it freezes for me)
If so i'm just do something else
Players already entering main stage
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On May 26 2018 00:43 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 00:41 goody153 wrote:
Is the next series really gonna start in an hour ? Not really watching the fb stream(more like i can't cause it freezes for me)
If so i'm just do something else Players already entering main stage
Nice the fnatic tournament-ly disappointment can pass faster
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ESL site down for everyone?
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On May 26 2018 00:47 Darpa wrote:
ESL site down for everyone?
Dunno been watching twitch for me since fb stream/esl is freezing for me
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Surely there's no way Fnatic loses to OG, right?
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On May 26 2018 00:54 plasmidghost wrote:
Surely there's no way Fnatic loses to OG, right?
OG's fire lived again recently
uhm fnatic has been having issues this past few tournaments
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oh envy is back to the drafting seat
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this is a good slark game
maybe troll too
edit: hmm morphling is ok-ish but can be bursted this game .. it becomes harder for OG the later the game tho
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EE drafting again, hmm... hope it works out
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Wait if morphling replicates lone druid and gets bear ? If he morphs back does he lose the bear ? Either way this might actually be a good morph game
Does the hero morphling copies keeps the main stat attrib of that hero or it keep morphlings main stat ?
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On May 26 2018 00:54 plasmidghost wrote:
Surely there's no way Fnatic loses to OG, right?
It's Fnatic.
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On May 26 2018 00:36 goody153 wrote:
Apparently there was an interview of w33ha saying that everybody kept talking Portuguese and he just pretends he's playing on pubs lol
Anybody catched that ?.Not sure if he's joking or half-true if he really said that
Kinda getting tangential, but I actually think this is a legitimate mechanism for stopping competitive stress. I get all tense and shaky when I play battlecup and don’t when I’m just playing queued pubs. I want to figure out that cognitive process.
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dont think purge knows there's 2 teams in this game
On May 26 2018 01:02 plasmidghost wrote:
EE drafting again, hmm... hope it works out
Was he drafting yesterday?
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And wtf is this lone druid build...hotm bkb...
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Can morphling summon his own bear?
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purge's process of engorging OG's balls is almost complete
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On May 26 2018 01:35 MrCon wrote:
And wtf is this lone druid build...hotm bkb...
He doesn't want to die, though I think he might be going Aghs/shadowblade later.
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On May 26 2018 01:35 Pontual wrote:
Can morphling summon his own bear?
Yeah but there's no point. The bear doesn't have items and you lose it when you revert back to morph at any point
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OG wants to run 3x pos 2 with Jerax on a playmaker 4 with fly on a high utility pos 5. They'll still run the occasional hard carry, but they clearly have seemed far more comfortable with the 3x pos 2 setup. (It's probably more consistent of a way to play, especially in a Qualifier run.)
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lol fly almost got a rampage
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lmao i think to myself "fnatic need disruptor aghs to win this, maybe he's close?" then i look at networths and pie has 2600 total networth
yeah....
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Veil Ember feels underwhelming at best.
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Rough loss, unfortunately
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Pretty sure the game was on Fnatic's cores not doing much of anything, EE got caught out full agi way too much, Abed had little impact, and Universe kept feeding
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DHL let Slacks be in a commercial? Oh, they're going to regret that.
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On May 26 2018 01:58 plasmidghost wrote:
Pretty sure the game was on Fnatic's cores not doing much of anything, EE got caught out full agi way too much, Abed had little impact, and Universe kept feeding
EE had a decent start. Abed is the one I'm eyeing if I'm placing blame. Still think what got them is that they weren't able to read OG's moves at all in the midgame as a team. Fnatic's heroes were constantly at the wrong place at the wrong time. All 5 of them.
Already trust this second game's draft way more. We got Dark Seer.
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Fnatic on the 5 melee strat huh
at least bot is 2 melee vs 2 melee and fnatic have darkseer so that lane is nice for them
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OG kept stealing all the bounty runes lol
fnatic didnt do their homework properly
cant do that this patch
all cn teams and lgd does this gamelosing thing too
bad habit letting the bounties go
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not sure if OG has legit good movements or if Fnatic are just clueless enough to let them play their game
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On May 26 2018 02:46 Nocticate wrote:
not sure if OG has legit good movements or if Fnatic are just clueless enough to let them play their game
That jump pretty much confirms the latter.
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VP gonna looked so out of place coming in the last day
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PLD needs to lay down deep wards after these victories. They still have no map vision.
This must be one of the few games where Wall is a game-changing spell. Fnatic gets 3 carries in the fight with the Medusa illusion.
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On May 26 2018 02:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 02:46 Nocticate wrote:
not sure if OG has legit good movements or if Fnatic are just clueless enough to let them play their game That jump pretty much confirms the latter.
woof yeah. some really painful plays here.
halberd good item tho
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fnatic delivering them intense doto
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the dusa itembuild is questionable right?
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not as questionable as shivas lycan but pretty bad yeh
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And after being silent while OG is being steamrolled he's talking about OG's mistakes instead of Fnatic.
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On May 26 2018 03:00 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
the dusa itembuild is questionable right?
This zero stun lineup is questionable.
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On May 26 2018 03:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 03:00 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
the dusa itembuild is questionable right?
This zero stun lineup is questionable.
thats the obvious one :D
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S4 had a great game right? He only got caught about 20 times completely out of position.
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Shivas lycan and medusa's item build making crimson guard complete negate his damage lost OG the game
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OpTic isn't the best squad in the world but uhhhhhhhhh I don't see them losing to either of these teams tbh.
tbh the only uncertain series left in this entire tournament is VP vs. PaiN which is hardly something I would have considered before these last two days but here we are. If VP beat PaiN I really can't see them losing against any of Optic, OG, or Fnatic.
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If VP don't fool around i can't see them losing to Pain, no matter how much momentum they have at the moment.
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On May 26 2018 03:11 Nocticate wrote:
OpTic isn't the best squad in the world but uhhhhhhhhh I don't see them losing to either of these teams tbh.
tbh the only uncertain series left in this entire tournament is VP vs. PaiN which is hardly something I would have considered before these last two days but here we are. If VP beat PaiN I really can't see them losing against any of Optic, OG, or Fnatic.
Fnatic's strength and weakness is that they can lose against anyone (kinda) and win against anyone (kinda) but not VP. VP is their kryptonite.
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On May 26 2018 03:16 Xurr wrote:
If VP don't fool around i can't see them losing to Pain, no matter how much momentum they have at the moment.
i think VP and PaiN play really similar styles and that can lead to some really weird outcomes. it's almost like when Chinese teams that scrim constantly play each other and you wind up with weird results like LFY taking a series off LGD or something.
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On May 26 2018 03:11 Nocticate wrote:
OpTic isn't the best squad in the world but uhhhhhhhhh I don't see them losing to either of these teams tbh.
tbh the only uncertain series left in this entire tournament is VP vs. PaiN which is hardly something I would have considered before these last two days but here we are. If VP beat PaiN I really can't see them losing against any of Optic, OG, or Fnatic.
at this stage I wouldnt made any assumption
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this is looking kinda grim for fnatic IMO
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On May 26 2018 03:48 Faruko wrote:
this is looking kinda grim for fnatic IMO
I think Fnatic have the better lategame though.
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
On May 26 2018 03:48 Faruko wrote:
this is looking kinda grim for fnatic IMO
I'm not sure, I think they're still okay
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On May 26 2018 03:48 Faruko wrote:
this is looking kinda grim for fnatic IMO
is it tho
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well they og was 3k ahead with envy at something like 3k where everyone was 5k so... at that point it was grim lol
now it's looking balanced, and slightly favoring fnatic
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hard call for OG to still go for the fight. FNC seam in control for now.
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Nice safe and steady game by EE
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the damage output with the elder titan aura is insane for DP and morph.
N0tail better gets off some clutch GA's in the upcoming fights. (and doesn't get silenced again)
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EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated.
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On May 26 2018 04:05 Alpino wrote:
EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated.
Purge has always been a terrible commentator. As you point it, it's easy to point mistakes in hindsight and hard to analyse what forced the mistake because the other team actually did something good 30 seconds ago.
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United States15275 Posts
On May 26 2018 04:04 Sloke wrote:
the damage output with the elder titan aura is insane for DP and morph.
N0tail better gets off some clutch GA's in the upcoming fights. (and doesn't get silenced again)
If PLD can farm up Aghs, Notail will become a walking Repel.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
missing Kyle analysis tbh 
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On May 26 2018 04:05 Alpino wrote:
EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated.
after listening to BSJ's analysis on drafts, itemchoices, timings, gameplan etc. there isn't really the same level of knowledge on the established "analysts" (kyle not included)
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On May 26 2018 04:08 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 04:05 Alpino wrote:
EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated. after listening to BSJ's analysis on drafts, itemchoices, timings, gameplan etc. there isn't really the same level of knowledge on the established "analysts" (kyle not included)
I know Synd wants to be a pro player, but man do I miss him + Tobi
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DK couldn't even scratch anyone with dragonform against crimson. good old desperation smoke.
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Death Prophet looking to go 2-0 against Chen.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
dOGshit as usual. really only got through this far because of the format. I would say I hope this is a wakeup call for them but they've already gotten enough of those at this point.
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Fnatic are clearly the better team, dunno what happened 1st game...
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That was a Fnatic win from minute 1. GG
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I was worried after the game 1 loss, but I am so glad Fnatic won, now it's time to take out another OG!
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damn universe, what a player
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Fnatic was solid this series, deserved
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On May 26 2018 04:16 BlazingGlory wrote:
Fnatic are clearly the better team, dunno what happened 1st game...
It's simple, OG played better in game 1, just like Pain played better in 3 out of 4 games against Liquid.
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On May 26 2018 04:16 Nocticate wrote:
dOGshit as usual. really only got through this far because of the format. I would say I hope this is a wakeup call for them but they've already gotten enough of those at this point.
can't really argue against it. dodging liquid completely in group into losing both bo1's in the first place decider.
they still play completely crazy drafts and with those role switching and what not. atm you just have to say that their strategies and comfort on certain heroes are not good enough for T2+
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On May 26 2018 04:08 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 04:05 Alpino wrote:
EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated. after listening to BSJ's analysis on drafts, itemchoices, timings, gameplan etc. there isn't really the same level of knowledge on the established "analysts" (kyle not included)
#DontTPToTheDeadLane
#PromocodeBSJ
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Well, tomorrow is going to be dang interesting. VP vs SA's VP imitation in the first series, then Optic vs Fnatic with TI direct invites riding on the line.
Oh, and someone needs to play well enough to win a Mercedes. With VP only playing 5 games so far, my current vote for MVP is Tavo from Pain. Though Noone should probably win from VP's side, if they win the tournament.
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I should watch the beginning of game 1 again but not sure how significant the first minute was. Sometimes it's easy to underestimate how much lanes can change depending on some small things. OG smoked and caught PLD for the first blood, and they also spotted his ward and gave the money and xp to s4. The lanes probably could have gone a bit better for Fnatic without that start, which would have allowed them to make some plays earlier. Now they were constantly on the back foot in that game
In general in this event all of Fnatic's losses have come from drafts being a bit weak for lanes / them playing the lanes a bit poorly.
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Things looking scary for vgjt. They need every single series to go their way to retain their invite spot.
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On May 26 2018 04:44 Orome wrote:
Things looking scary for vgjt. They need every single series to go their way to retain their invite spot.
That's slightly over-exaggerating since pain-vp doesn't matter at all to them, but yes they need optic to beat fnatic then lose in the finals.
That said, there's always the supermajor, which neither fnatic nor optic will be attending (but vgjt will be). So they certainly have outs even if fnatic or optic pass them.
Also the 3rd place decider won't matter to vgjt either, since fnatic need 2nd place to pass them and optic need first.
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Oh wait pain can't get an invite because they got w33? Right. In my head VP-pain mattered because pain would also overtake vgjt if they won the tournament.
That does make it better for them, but it's still two series that absolutely need to go their way. And while they do still have the supermajor coming up, it's hard to fancy their chances there.
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Honestly I'd be disappointed if the top 8 didn't change somewhere in the final 2 majors
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On May 26 2018 04:08 Sloke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 04:05 Alpino wrote:
EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated. after listening to BSJ's analysis on drafts, itemchoices, timings, gameplan etc. there isn't really the same level of knowledge on the established "analysts" (kyle not included)
A lot of this is because the former level of pro play was a lot lower when Purge and other english analysts were pros. I like Purge, but Zephyr wasn't exactly a real team outside of Korea for a season. And Fogged, Brax et al haven't played on good teams since like 2014, and they were never on top teams. It's not really an exaggeration to say that Kyle is one of the better players who have become analysts. Winter and Synderen are probably the highest level players who speak English to be analysts aside from him (mufc was a legit team before they flamed out at TI, and Synderen has always been able to at least sneak into TI).
PPD during TI was alright, but he didn't have much experience at the actual analyst part.
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With ppd I always got the sense that he was holding back. He never actually did much analysing beyond the fairly straightforward.
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On May 26 2018 06:38 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2018 04:08 Sloke wrote:On May 26 2018 04:05 Alpino wrote:
EE and Fnatic going for great and interesting plays and Purge's insight is about whatever the losing team is doing wrong. Unfit for commentary and overrated. after listening to BSJ's analysis on drafts, itemchoices, timings, gameplan etc. there isn't really the same level of knowledge on the established "analysts" (kyle not included) A lot of this is because the former level of pro play was a lot lower when Purge and other english analysts were pros. I like Purge, but Zephyr wasn't exactly a real team outside of Korea for a season. And Fogged, Brax et al haven't played on good teams since like 2014, and they were never on top teams. It's not really an exaggeration to say that Kyle is one of the better players who have become analysts. Winter and Synderen are probably the highest level players who speak English to be analysts aside from him (mufc was a legit team before they flamed out at TI, and Synderen has always been able to at least sneak into TI). PPD during TI was alright, but he didn't have much experience at the actual analyst part.
ppd at TI7 also was technically the owner of a team, and he was kind of hedging everything, it felt like. The better time was when he did a Dreamleague Season 4's LAN final. (  DreamLeague/Season 4 ) Was sort of random to see him on the panel, but he clearly knew what he was doing & saying.
Thing with Kyle, and why it seemed like ppd was holding back, is stuff like this: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/49317728
Kyle has 808 matches listed. He's drafted & beaten everyone important in the scene in at least one match. The last few months he's just shown the experience it takes to win. (Complexity's problems normally were around too constrained of a strategy base, and Kyle could never quite recruit top talent around him.) I expect a little less Ora-Kyle though, going forward. Partially from just not drafting all the time, and the other part to keep at least some of his thought process hidden.
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On May 26 2018 06:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
Honestly I'd be disappointed if the top 8 didn't change somewhere in the final 2 majors
If the EG rumours are true then the next two days will decide the direct invites for TI.
Supermajor will have less impact on the top8 then people were expecting because only TNC and Final Tribe are outside the top8 and not disqualified for invites. It was a mistake the invite the current top10 in DPC ranking at the time to the supermajor.
Already top8: VP, TL, Secret, Newbee, VG, VGJ, Mineski, LGD
Outside top8: TNC, Final Tribe
DQ: EG?, OG, Navi, VGJ.Storm, Team Spirit, Infamous
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EPT
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