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Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
 DAC 2018 Dota 2 Asia Championships/2018StreamsFormat
Teams!![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/ig_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/newbee.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/tl_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/vg.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/vp.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/secret_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/mineski.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/tnc.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/Team_VGJ.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/lgd.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/og.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/effect.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/eg.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/optic_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/pain_gaming_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/OmniEulogy/Keen_Gaming.png) Fixtures & Results!Tuesday, Apr 03 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Tuesday, Apr 03 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/liquid.png) Tuesday, Apr 03 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Tuesday, Apr 03 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Results! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Newbee Evil Geniuses Win (34) Newbee Win (15) 49 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Newbee Poll: Team Liquid vs VGJ Thunder Team Liquid Win (32) VGJ Thunder Win (10) 42 total votes Your vote: Team Liquid vs VGJ Thunder Poll: Optic Gaming vs Invictus Gaming Optic Gaming Win (23) Invictus Gaming Win (14) 37 total votes Your vote: Optic Gaming vs Invictus Gaming Poll: Team Secret vs Vici Gaming Team Secret Win (34) Vici Gaming Win (10) 44 total votes Your vote: Team Secret vs Vici Gaming | ||
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uthgard
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goody153
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Liquid < VG.J Optic < IG Secret > VG On April 02 2018 22:12 uthgard wrote: first 2 rounds of LB are b01? the heck is this It's lower bracket the upperbracket are all b03's which is important. Unlike katowice with it's b01 upperbrackets | ||
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Qualitaetsgarant
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 03 2018 00:32 uthgard wrote: r1 Lb b01 are acceptable at this point, r2 b01 however are shit and shouldn't have been there For the 4 teams in the LB R2 Bo1, it's a Bo1 to decide for DPC points or not. That's brutal, but, well, everyone now has practice. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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steventcyh
China70 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On April 03 2018 04:41 OmniEulogy wrote: so the first four teams that lose the bo3 are eliminated and then from that point its bo1 through the lower bracket to top 4 for the teams that lose in the "first" round of the upper bracket, that's some awful shit. I somehow completely missed that when looking at the bracket. Are they ? Seems the teams that lose their bo3 aren't eliminated but go to the lower bracket (where it's bo1) | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Thetwinmasters
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
but this one is just terrible | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On April 03 2018 11:20 MrCon wrote: Are they ? Seems the teams that lose their bo3 aren't eliminated but go to the lower bracket (where it's bo1) Nope they are eliminated. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
On April 03 2018 11:52 CxWiLL wrote: sccc used to play amazingly on invoker but this one is just terrible it is invoker issue that he is very passive until he gets 2-3 big items. compare it with puck or DK which only need < 3k gold item to make things happen on map. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
So that lose against newbee with mid rubick was quite dumb in retrospect...I hope it won't be even dumber after next bo3 >< | ||
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nVme
952 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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dragonswarrior
389 Posts
Can't blame him. They drafted and played awful. | ||
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nVme
952 Posts
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Yurie
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
on serious note, perhaps it is time for newbeen to settle down in china and have regular training again instead of travelling around the world | ||
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LennX
4553 Posts
So much burn lol | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
he's bringing so much to the stream | ||
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Yurie
11853 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
I'm not sure what pleases the frog more, lone druid movespeed or three lycan crits in a row | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
although the original was far more entertaining than this match, at least so far | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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nVme
952 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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nVme
952 Posts
On April 03 2018 13:54 bluzi wrote: This is why VP are such a good team , they can make a call of letting go of a rax @ 20 min while VGJ just went and feed 1 by 1 vs liquid on TOP of losing the rax .... such bad calling .....they were never holding it 3v5 not sure what the hell they were thinking , no wave clear without the freeze , GG GO NEXT tbh i like vp the best cause of how classy most of them are even when they tilted and lost to og at one of the majors they applauded them to the crowd but sometimes they give up to early, games can be won on opponents mistakes | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
I feel like yeah great meta pick but it just isn't that good matu hero can anyone explain? | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:12 LemOn wrote: Thunder ban Veno? I feel like yeah great meta pick but it just isn't that good matu hero can anyone explain? I'm not even going to bother to question it. As long as I don't have to see another low impact, low networth Matu Veno doing nothing while the enemies are allowed to farm BKBs. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
 And I don't get sniper vs jugg I pick jugg to counter sniper in pubs, what gives he just needs a dagger and Sniper's dead | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:23 LemOn wrote: Miracle NP wat :D Played it against Newbee in that ~20 minute Drow game. EDIT: Liquid punishing the static lane assignments hard. China getting exposed throughout this tournament. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
gg next | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:34 uthgard wrote: the only cn team that will show anything good today will probably be VG, outside chance IG both of them looked terrible in the group stage they got this far only because of PaiN and Effect | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:38 Vertical wrote: both of them looked terrible in the group stage they got this far only because of PaiN and Effect VG was on group A tho | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:43 bluzi wrote: CN are not up to par , lets see what LGD can do .... seems like for the first time the one CN one Western in TI is going to break. So says everyone always and then we still get 4 CN teams in the top 6 at TI. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
ah sorry, both are VG but still, VG were barely here, they're lucky during tie breaker OG's previous victory does not count | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:43 bluzi wrote: CN are not up to par , lets see what LGD can do .... seems like for the first time the one CN one Western in TI is going to break. calm down, don't get exited yet. last time CN team got slaughtered like this is during Shanghai Major in 2016, and we knew how TI6 went. in other retrospect I would like to have SEA winner. But I dont think current SEA team is up there already. MVP was the closest we can get. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On April 03 2018 14:38 Vertical wrote: both of them looked terrible in the group stage they got this far only because of PaiN and Effect going by how this game is going, liquid are even worse than pain and effect , right? | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
But boy did Thunder get outplayed hard. Different league I feel | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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polgas
Canada1752 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:08 Kamisamanachi wrote: sylar made such a blunder at that top fight ..gifted the game to liquid No doubt..... why would he do it ? he was away already ..... he didnt have bb money and his team was on the way ! WAITTTT FOR THEM. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
Haha, Matu firing the shots immediately. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:11 bluzi wrote: No doubt..... why would he do it ? he was away already ..... he didnt have bb money and his team was on the way ! WAITTTT FOR THEM. IDK maybe he thought, he could manfight them with his newly purchased butterfly until his team arrives, but then again , his bkb was down and he was playing against disruptor and es. that was such a weird move.and it was deciding factor for the game ,which costed them entire game, | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:21 Vertical wrote: btw during downtime. can someone help me list official valve TI documentary? I want to watch some. I saw for TI1 and TI5, but never seen the others. one of the best | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
they dont have documentary when the Chinese team winning don't they? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:27 Vertical wrote: they dont have documentary when the Chinese team winning don't they? not long, just this 5 minutes of stuff | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:31 Kamisamanachi wrote: not long, just this 5 minutes of stuff thanks a bunch I didnt know these things exist before its very sad looking back at Wings, a truly one hit wonder (heck same goes for their grand final opponent) | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:55 cLutZ wrote: As a casual there are 2 champs I hated from recent other events: Tusk and Razor. Are they banished yet? Tusk is top 3 pick in this tournament and Razor is still around and IG picked Pangolier! | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
boboka rocked that tourney with his monkey king | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 03 2018 15:58 Kamisamanachi wrote: I always get reminded of last year IG DAC run when i see their name here boboka rocked that tourney with his monkey king and Rikimaru | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
That 3 aquila build. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
1. Both are first Major held in China during the season 2. more Chinese teams than usual and all Chinese team bomb out of the tournament 3. One Chinese team in the upper bracket, interestingly both times is LGD 4. Overperforming NA team, back then was CoL now is Optic 5. Overperforming SEA teams back then was MVP & Fnatic, now is Mineski and TnC (both times Mushi are in it) 6. The worst team still from Americas, back then was Archon, now is PaiN 7. there are 2 rounds of BO1 lower bracket | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
It's ironic, I think they're the only team that always give VP a run for their money and at the same time I don't see them winning at all. They should have been waiting instead of TNC >< | ||
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spudde123
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spudde123
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
is this a record? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
what a hero | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
On April 03 2018 17:35 emperorchampion wrote: Last DAC was the battle of jerax vs boboka monkey king and earth spirit Boboka placed higher than Jerax yet again! | ||
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Merry Go R0und
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
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Geisterkarle
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria854 Posts
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
same stuff as so many commentators are calling them "VC"... it's "VG" guys... at least they are getting that one right this time. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On April 03 2018 19:02 sCuMBaG wrote: *stop calling it "false promise"... it's "borrowed time"... ain't no oracle in this game. same stuff as so many commentators are calling them "VC"... it's "VG" guys... at least they are getting that one right this time. To me it seems that most people call them Vici, which is fine to me | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Ramiz1989
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On April 03 2018 19:02 sCuMBaG wrote: same stuff as so many commentators are calling them "VC"... it's "VG" guys... at least they are getting that one right this time. They are not calling them VC, but Vici, short of Vici Gaming. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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Snakesneaks
Italy2652 Posts
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babysimba
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 03 2018 19:13 Snakesneaks wrote: why would you aim for abaddon first ? Because it is pretty much impossible to kill anybody with level 20+ Abaddon that has Octarine Core, Lotus Orb and Halberd still alive. They tried it to do with Fata rushing Silver Edge coupled with 2 Silences but they didn't think about OD saving Abaddon every single time with Astral. Abaddon countered their draft quite nicely and they were not going to win drawn out fights against Aba and Int stacked OD, coupled with ET that allows them to disengage in fights because of the stomp. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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Tegenaria
France379 Posts
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 03 2018 19:39 Tegenaria wrote: Good to see Shadow Demon, he is one of the best hero right now in my opinion. He is quite underrated, with the latest changes he hard counters a lot of heroes that relies on dispellable buffs, I guess we will see more and more of him in the next tournaments. Don't know about that Phoenix pick, except for him they don't have enough AoE for CK, and he is quite unreliable when played as support. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
plus combo'ed with Void !!! ez mmr | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 03 2018 19:55 Geisterkarle wrote: Well, Phoenix-Void is a common combo! I know, we just didnt see it that much lately | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
VG is still going to steamroll Secret after they get their bkbs | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On April 03 2018 19:48 Ramiz1989 wrote: He is quite underrated, with the latest changes he hard counters a lot of heroes that relies on dispellable buffs, I guess we will see more and more of him in the next tournaments. Don't know about that Phoenix pick, except for him they don't have enough AoE for CK, and he is quite unreliable when played as support. As a CK picker, playing against Phoenix is worse than about anything save for agh-medusa. Go into demo, get items for 5k hp (not uncommon with armlet+heart+1/2 more items) and have a lvl 7 max sun ray phoenix channel it on him and you'll see why. You need like 2/3 of a sun ray channel to kill 5k hp illus. On top of that spirits are AoE and kills your DPS, and on top of THAT, illus cant kill the egg. There a reason phoe is where he is on this list: https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/chaos-knight/counters Its like the least known counter to CK, but its absoutely amazing. And tiny+OD are legit heroes against him too..... this wasnt the game to bust out CK. | ||
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spudde123
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uthgard
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babysimba
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uthgard
2098 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 03 2018 20:24 Kreb wrote: As a CK picker, playing against Phoenix is worse than about anything save for agh-medusa. Go into demo, get items for 5k hp (not uncommon with armlet+heart+1/2 more items) and have a lvl 7 max sun ray phoenix channel it on him and you'll see why. You need like 2/3 of a sun ray channel to kill 5k hp illus. On top of that spirits are AoE and kills your DPS, and on top of THAT, illus cant kill the egg. There a reason phoe is where he is on this list: https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/chaos-knight/counters Its like the least known counter to CK, but its absoutely amazing. And tiny+OD are legit heroes against him too..... this wasnt the game to bust out CK. I know, I mean I have CK flair, trust me CK is my most played hero haha, but even though Phoenix is amazing against CK when he is played as support and doesn't have great game he feels like a piece of paper, he is usually underleveled and dies too fast in team fights. Though that didn't happen in this game as Secret lost all of their lanes and fucked up few team fights hard, they are playing from behind whole game, and Phoenix here feels more like a core. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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uthgard
2098 Posts
On April 03 2018 20:24 spudde123 wrote: Secret started the event 3-0 and then went 1-5 in the remaining games assuming VG wins this they basically started losing hard once patch 7.12 hit, I think they tried too hard to figure the patch meta, fumbles, and never quite recovered | ||
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goody153
44134 Posts
Looks like VG is the "liquid" for this tournament | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On April 03 2018 19:05 Ramiz1989 wrote: They are not calling them VC, but Vici, short of Vici Gaming. Not sure I agree with that pronunciation either... Depends on what they intend "Vici" to mean here. I was told it's from "veni, vidi, vici" - in which case pronouncing it "vidgi" would be the correct way (more or less, if you want the proper lating it would even be "viki"), and that sounds the same as VG as well. If it is supposed to mean something completely different, I'm wrong I guess | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
honestly who the fuck is going to stop this juggernaut called Virtus Plow tho. | ||
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Uyfalusi_86
6 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On April 03 2018 20:45 juuto wrote: Secret and VP have been so inconsistent this season compared to Liquid. VP might be turning things around but Secret certainly hasn't. At ESL and PGL majors there were interviews with Yapzor and Ace where they talked about the team not really practicing lately and there being some issues in the team. Similarly for Dreamleague they just took a break, though obviously they still played great (but the event didn't have many of the best teams and Liquid wasn't at full strength). Interesting to see how they develop as TI approaches. In some of the past TIs it hasn't necessarily been the case that Puppey's team starts grinding when TI is close | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
I'm sure cn team will win tho (tradition ftw) | ||
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goody153
44134 Posts
On April 03 2018 21:05 uthgard wrote: TI is a whole different beast, you never know what will happen there even close to the event I'm sure cn team will win tho (tradition ftw) TI is gonna be another China vs the World. Chinese teams always peak during TI regardless of how they performed or how the western teams performed before TI. Maybe they won't win but they'll have a bunch of teams on the top 8 again like it was nothing, On April 03 2018 20:42 Kipsate wrote: VG and LGD all on them honestly who the fuck is going to stop this juggernaut called Virtus Plow tho. I think all teams in the upperbracket can potentially beat VP (except liquid or eg they seem too familiar with both of them). Just potential though(the closest being VG cause they're the only one who took a series against this iteration) but we'll probably just gonna see Virtus Plow most likely | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 03 2018 21:12 goody153 wrote: TI is gonna be another China vs the World. Chinese teams always peak during TI regardless of how they performed or how the western teams performed before TI. Maybe they won't win but they'll have a bunch of teams on the top 8 again like it was nothing, I think all teams in the upperbracket can potentially beat VP (except liquid or eg they seem too familiar with both of them). Just potential though(the closest being VG cause they're the only one who took a series against this iteration) but we'll probably just gonna see Virtus Plow most likely Part of China's general performance at TI is I think all of the TI teams end up playing each other almost endlessly in the weeks leading up to the tournament, so they end up creating a hyper-focused meta to start Scrim period that happens at TI. The best of the Chinese teams end up surviving into the bracket stage, as a result, then all of the Chinese teams help each other throughout the tournament. Though that doesn't change things like TI6, where it was Wings vs The World. (Only 2 Chinese teams in the Top 8, in a year China won.) Being mindful that if Faith`bian hadn't morphed into the best player in the world during the Bracket, they wouldn't have probably placed above about 6th. As for the rest of DAC, the main thing about those Bo1s is the Meta was clearly not settling into anything, especially as the mass tie-breakers showed. VP is still the team to beat, and the top teams can beat them, it'll just depend on how everyone plays that day. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Achaian
United States3369 Posts
I think all teams in the upperbracket can potentially beat VP (except liquid or eg they seem too familiar with both of them). Just potential though(the closest being VG cause they're the only one who took a series against this iteration) but we'll probably just gonna see Virtus Plow most likely VP and other russian teams over the past few years have had trouble breaking top 6 in the most important tournaments despite displaying strength. VP beating secret at TI5 only to drop out in the next round comes to mind | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 04 2018 05:15 Achaian wrote: VP and other russian teams over the past few years have had trouble breaking top 6 in the most important tournaments despite displaying strength. VP beating secret at TI5 only to drop out in the next round comes to mind Yeah, but...Secret was actually kind of terrible at TI5. Sure, they had a hot streak going into the tournament, but TI5 was pure Puppey meme-drafting. | ||
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Kelefei2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
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