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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 15:54 GMT
#81
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 16:00 GMT
#82
On February 23 2018 00:54 babysimba wrote:
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.


A lot more utility items and getting the jump wins you most team fights. That invis is more valuable than people realize. And in a "we're already teamfighting anyway" meta, track is always valuable.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 22 2018 16:02 GMT
#83
dunno how they draft all these auras without banning TB
High Risk Low Reward
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:05 GMT
#84
On February 23 2018 01:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 00:54 babysimba wrote:
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.


A lot more utility items and getting the jump wins you most team fights. That invis is more valuable than people realize. And in a "we're already teamfighting anyway" meta, track is always valuable.

BH was only good at split pushing type of lineup in the past, with the exception of snowballing lineups in MVP. BH offers great vision information so that their team only choose to engage when they can take good fights, but is often a liability against against 5 man lineups that can brute force to victory.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 16:12 GMT
#85
VG have so many disables lol
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 16:16:27
February 22 2018 16:16 GMT
#86
lmao with that triple buyback undelord uber back into the base
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 16:17 GMT
#87
what a sick game by VG lmao
WriterXiao8~~
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 16:17 GMT
#88
On February 23 2018 01:05 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 01:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On February 23 2018 00:54 babysimba wrote:
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.


A lot more utility items and getting the jump wins you most team fights. That invis is more valuable than people realize. And in a "we're already teamfighting anyway" meta, track is always valuable.

BH was only good at split pushing type of lineup in the past, with the exception of snowballing lineups in MVP. BH offers great vision information so that their team only choose to engage when they can take good fights, but is often a liability against against 5 man lineups that can brute force to victory.


I actually thought the BH meta was over, but he came back today. VP just lost with BH, though, so there is that.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 22 2018 16:23 GMT
#89
Every Lanm team post-DK has had that special Lanm flair in their play. What a god.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 16:26:01
February 22 2018 16:24 GMT
#90
On February 22 2018 23:16 Pontual wrote:
Reso storm was actually really good, notail didn't get enough from lane phase and died a couple of times that really slowed down the lifestealer bomb that kills anyone the bomb jumps


You must have watched a different game than me then. Reso constantly overextended for kills on supports that he either didn't get or if he did he was left without mana and died. And during times where he really should be farming. Notail was freefarming during his laning phase, how could he possibly have gotten more than freefarm? This is like Resos 3rd storm game this happened- when they threw away a 8k (iirc) lead in the opening game against VG it was the same problem. Things going great then Reso dying like 4 times in a row going for questionable kills (Notail going for teamfight items on LD after rushing ags didn't help either).
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 16:35:58
February 22 2018 16:35 GMT
#91
I still don't get how nobody bans shaman against Fnatic. That hero is broken. It makes the life of offlaner hell without even needing his other support player, then transitions into some godly split pushing core which can also break high ground with ease.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 22 2018 16:37 GMT
#92
huh Ace was really telling the truth about having difficulties against fnatic

though is still expect secret to take the series eventually
this is a quote
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 16:38 GMT
#93
lol this Shadow Shaman is a monster
WriterXiao8~~
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:39 GMT
#94
Current Secret playstyle is really built upon EE version of Secret. Puppey might not even be relevant today if EE didn't impart his dota knowledge to him.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 22 2018 16:40 GMT
#95
On February 23 2018 01:39 babysimba wrote:
Current Secret playstyle is really built upon EE version of Secret. Puppey might not even be relevant today if EE didn't impart his dota knowledge to him.

I like EE but i doubt this is the case. The new secret is carry-centric but the old secret with EE was kinda different.
this is a quote
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 22 2018 16:42 GMT
#96
Fnatic's strategies so far run something along the lines of "go get busy and let DJ farm on Rhasta" haha
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 22 2018 16:43 GMT
#97
Holy shit scrim information was real. Fnatic is capable of beating secret
this is a quote
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:43 GMT
#98
Fnatic's playstyle is totally TI5 EG more than current EG.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
February 22 2018 16:44 GMT
#99
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
February 22 2018 16:46 GMT
#100
I bet if fnatic was facing somebody like vp or liquid or even eg right now they'd be losing already
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