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[ESL One] Katowice 2018 - Group Stage Day 3

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-20 08:39:26
February 22 2018 08:41 GMT
#1

ESL One


Thursday, Feb 22 10:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

(Wiki)ESL One/Katowice/2018

Streams


Facebook Link | Multi ESL
Facebook only streams for this event

Format

  • Groups were drawn on February 7th
  • Group Stage will be held from February 20th to the 23rd:
  • Two eight team, double-elimination groups
  • Top teams from each group advance directly to the semifinals of the playoffs
  • 2nd and 3rd placed teams advance to the quarterfinals of the playoffs

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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 08:43 GMT
#2
Schedule says the last match of Group B is on its own tomorrow, surely not? What a stupid schedule if that is the case, just force them into playing that today in the second 1900gmt slot? Seems daft to have one game on a Friday
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 22 2018 09:42 GMT
#3
I think they said that they wanted to fit as many series as possible on main stage, hence the weird schedule

as for why group B, it's probably cause kinguin is there
svimes
Profile Joined December 2017
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 09:47:25
February 22 2018 09:46 GMT
#4
What's the best way of getting VODs of the full games in English? I have seen "Team Secret Fan Community" ones on Youtube but the sound is bad - the cut in and out of the casters' mic is not good to the extent it is hard to follow the draft, in game it's not so bad but still very annoying.

[I can kind of understand the issue people have with the facebook streaming now, I hope this gets better]
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 09:55 GMT
#5
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotaVods/comments/7ykups/esl_one_katowice_2018/
Sub to this reddit like i do, it saves me so much when asian tournaments are on i can't watch <3
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
February 22 2018 09:56 GMT
#6
Kinguin take my energyyyyy

I'll not watch or follow their games on trackdota. Kinguin was doing well early and i tuned in, then things went downhill. Similarly mineski was in control game 1 against og, I tuned in and feed train happened. Game 2 I watched their disastrous start, off stream and later found out they're playing a game 3?1?

Think I'm a jinx...
svimes
Profile Joined December 2017
20 Posts
February 22 2018 10:03 GMT
#7
Thanks Pandemona, so it looks like there is a 24 hour lag? Thanks Facebook...
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 10:13:07
February 22 2018 10:11 GMT
#8
Is there any way I can watch the games without using Facebook?

Tried it yesterday, a bit annoying with the chat and floating likes thingy.
Thanks!

Edit: also, since when Facebook broadcasting dota? Something happened with twitch? Sorry, been out of the loop
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 10:12 GMT
#9
The link in op to - http://live.esl-one.com - gives you the streams but on an ESL page so it is easier to watch.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 10:19:08
February 22 2018 10:17 GMT
#10
i've a hunch that kinguin will eliminate eg

also VG-VP is probably the most hyped match we could watch

On February 22 2018 19:11 brinepumps wrote:
Is there any way I can watch the games without using Facebook?

Tried it yesterday, a bit annoying with the chat and floating likes thingy.
Thanks!

Edit: also, since when Facebook broadcasting dota? Something happened with twitch? Sorry, been out of the loop

It's just esl who broadcasts on facebook.

Yes there are plenty of twitch streamers who stream the games(it's legal by valves declaration) just check rawrdotatv or hachigod or bulldog etc

I also watch the games on twitch cause facebook just keeps buffering on me,
this is a quote
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
February 22 2018 10:45 GMT
#11
EG vs Kinguin hype, let the best team win!
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 10:52 GMT
#12
Time to bleed blue EG!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
February 22 2018 10:55 GMT
#13
Is the facebook stream dead for anyone else?
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 10:57 GMT
#14
When it dies for me i just F5 and it comes back.
Bulba's presence is so soothing for me, i always believe we will be ok when he is there <3
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 11:01 GMT
#15
KOTL! we lost
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 11:03:19
February 22 2018 11:02 GMT
#16
The facebook stream died for me and I can't get it to work ffs

edit: ok it's back up

KOTL smh
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 11:07:49
February 22 2018 11:06 GMT
#17
On February 22 2018 19:17 goody153 wrote:
i've a hunch that kinguin will eliminate eg

also VG-VP is probably the most hyped match we could watch

Show nested quote +
On February 22 2018 19:11 brinepumps wrote:
Is there any way I can watch the games without using Facebook?

Tried it yesterday, a bit annoying with the chat and floating likes thingy.
Thanks!

Edit: also, since when Facebook broadcasting dota? Something happened with twitch? Sorry, been out of the loop

It's just esl who broadcasts on facebook.

Yes there are plenty of twitch streamers who stream the games(it's legal by valves declaration) just check rawrdotatv or hachigod or bulldog etc

I also watch the games on twitch cause facebook just keeps buffering on me,

or you can just go full screen and it will be 100% same experience as twitch
since he's complaining the flying emot not the lag
-Terran-
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 11:10 GMT
#18
Last pick Morph, surprised me that one. EG draft looks a bit better but every KOTL game they have played has been a complete and utter disaster xd
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 11:15:59
February 22 2018 11:15 GMT
#19
Its me or DK look like a Star Wars character ?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 11:18 GMT
#20
Sumail beastmaster :o
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 11:20:46
February 22 2018 11:20 GMT
#21
Kinguin trying to force it too much with that round of ganks imo. Too deep and too hard.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 11:28 GMT
#22
EG in control now, they need to get this Morph fat whilst keeping Kinguin honest like they are doing with Sumail in there faces alot
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 11:31 GMT
#23
Ok 18 minute aghs on kotl and EG ahead. Is this the game we win with KOTL?!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 11:33 GMT
#24
every single twitch streamer watching the games are a bloody eg fan

so here i am watching RUhub the only watching the newbee-lgd game
this is a quote
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
February 22 2018 11:37 GMT
#25
Left dota for a while, now we got troll warlord battlefury.
Why
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
February 22 2018 11:45 GMT
#26
Good play from EG, Sumail went ham on Beast x.x
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 11:46 GMT
#27
Yeah they just crushed that lane and kotl got his levels and gold too, then he only needed like 3-5 min of farming and was done with aghs.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 11:47 GMT
#28
On February 22 2018 20:37 brinepumps wrote:
Left dota for a while, now we got troll warlord battlefury.
Why

battlefury is a good item for melee carries who wanted to tpull ahead and not be useless

it has damage and regen. Pros also have been going battlefury on some melee carries lately started with a trend by PL going battlefury.
this is a quote
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 22 2018 11:50 GMT
#29
looks like newbee is the team that 'enjoyed' cny the most lol
oberyn42
Profile Joined January 2016
1 Post
February 22 2018 11:55 GMT
#30
On February 22 2018 17:43 Pandemona wrote:
Schedule says the last match of Group B is on its own tomorrow, surely not? What a stupid schedule if that is the case, just force them into playing that today in the second 1900gmt slot? Seems daft to have one game on a Friday


the first match of the playoffs is also gonna be tomorrow. one of the playoff participants is not gonna be playing on the mainstage. I think it's the 3rd place from Group B vs. 2nd from A, so it's possible that Kinguin makes an upset by beating out EG and Newbee/LGD and then doesn't get to play in front of their home crowd.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
February 22 2018 12:00 GMT
#31
It's cool that most of the panel and the casters can actually pronounce "Katowice" quite nicely.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 12:02 GMT
#32
Someone has to win this LGD vs Newbee match. I'm not sure either side deserves to.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
February 22 2018 12:02 GMT
#33
On February 22 2018 20:37 brinepumps wrote:
Left dota for a while, now we got troll warlord battlefury.
Why

this makes me cheers for LGD
-Terran-
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 12:08 GMT
#34
Finally sumail offlane batrider game!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
February 22 2018 12:12 GMT
#35
Lots of teamfight for Kinguin, but RTZ lifestealer hype!
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 12:31 GMT
#36
Newbee won Game 1. Both teams will likely forget that game happened.

EG rolling in game 2.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 12:32 GMT
#37
EG are dominating Kinguin here holy xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
February 22 2018 12:50 GMT
#38
Never have I become angry because of a draft. But this Kinguin draft is the first that managed to change that!
How do you draft this? This draft feels so bad! I cant wrap my head around it it just makes me irrationally angry
EXTERMINATE!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
February 22 2018 12:52 GMT
#39
Absolute no hope for Kinguin with the drafts this game

bit of sideshow fun with syllabear silliness at the end though
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 12:53 GMT
#40
RTZ died once during the series.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 22 2018 12:55 GMT
#41
Awful draft
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 12:55 GMT
#42
lgd newbee looked alot more even than eg-kinguin series
this is a quote
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 12:57:07
February 22 2018 12:56 GMT
#43
RTZ went full raidboss mode on the LS, holy shit. A great pick from Misery, and great KotL play as well. Fear was a bit invisible but he was doing his job just fine.

Sad to see Kinguin eliminated but their drafts were not up to par this series, damn shame.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 12:58 GMT
#44
Kinguin said gl later, does that mean the final series for group B will be today? Or do they mean later in the tournament
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
February 22 2018 13:03 GMT
#45
On February 22 2018 20:47 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2018 20:37 brinepumps wrote:
Left dota for a while, now we got troll warlord battlefury.
Why

battlefury is a good item for melee carries who wanted to tpull ahead and not be useless

it has damage and regen. Pros also have been going battlefury on some melee carries lately started with a trend by PL going battlefury.


And not getting punished for it (no additional stats by battlefury)? Interesting...
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
February 22 2018 13:09 GMT
#46
10 out of 14 kills coming from Sccc
-Terran-
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 13:19:17
February 22 2018 13:18 GMT
#47
I really dislike TB. He looked like the cancer of the patch right now.
-Terran-
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
February 22 2018 13:20 GMT
#48
Wow that was quick ending
Newbee were ahead then suddenly... its over
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 13:21 GMT
#49
sccc died into instant lose lol
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 13:29 GMT
#50
this is the most normal draft ive seen from liquid
this is a quote
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
February 22 2018 13:39 GMT
#51
Reso watcha doooing
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 13:45:40
February 22 2018 13:45 GMT
#52
Reso play Storm like me : use all his mana to kill a support then die.
Please just farm Reso
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
February 22 2018 13:46 GMT
#53
I'm getting really sick of this constant feeding by Reso. It's what got them to the loser bracket in the first place.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 13:49 GMT
#54
This OG vs TL match doesn't feel quite like either team normally plays. I get the feeling they've scrimmed each other a lot.
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
February 22 2018 13:58 GMT
#55
Don't give Tiny to TL, duh...
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
February 22 2018 14:07 GMT
#56
On February 22 2018 22:58 midou wrote:
Don't give Tiny to TL, duh...



Nor Lycan, Io, Kotol, TB, Tinker, PL.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
February 22 2018 14:14 GMT
#57
Now people need to complain about Reso and not N0tail with OG. Reso has been awful this tournament.
GO OG
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 22 2018 14:16 GMT
#58
Reso storm was actually really good, notail didn't get enough from lane phase and died a couple of times that really slowed down the lifestealer bomb that kills anyone the bomb jumps
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 22 2018 14:16 GMT
#59
No way EG will win against any of LGD/Newbee.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
February 22 2018 14:18 GMT
#60
On February 22 2018 23:16 MrCon wrote:
No way EG will win against any of LGD/Newbee.

Well Kinguin beat Newbee who EG just crushed rather convincingly? Why not? XD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 22 2018 14:22 GMT
#61
Chinese teamfights are so chaotic, i love it
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
February 22 2018 14:27 GMT
#62
OG is making a lot of terrible decisions, and that's uncharacteristic form them, Reso force a lot of questionable fights and even the rest of the team sometimes gets caught out of position. This game vs Liquid is the same as the one vs VG, they get a lead, then they force fight and loose the game.

I mean i still think Liquid would win anyway but OG could make it a lot closer.
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
February 22 2018 14:46 GMT
#63
MC prophet, oh boy!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
February 22 2018 14:47 GMT
#64
OG lol what was that
Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
February 22 2018 14:49 GMT
#65
NoTail Tinker doesn't feel the same as Abed or Armel Tinker hot damn
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
February 22 2018 14:53 GMT
#66
Just GG and go home OG
midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
February 22 2018 14:58 GMT
#67
Memeor Hammer!
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 22 2018 15:01 GMT
#68
I wake up and I see another terrorblade viper game from liquid, how exciting
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 22 2018 15:11 GMT
#69
Does notail play all the OG tinkers these days? Doesn't look comfortable on it at all.

It's a bit annoying now that Newbee lost to Kinguin. LGD should've at least made top 6. Fnatic got a super easy path.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 22 2018 15:12 GMT
#70
TL is the first team qualified for playoffs gogo
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 15:15 GMT
#71
On February 23 2018 00:12 MrCon wrote:
TL is the first team qualified for playoffs gogo

All the remaining upper bracket teams (VP, VG, Secret, Fnatic) are qualified, they're just playing for seeding now
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 22 2018 15:17 GMT
#72
Liquid will meet the loser of Secret vs Fnatic, easy top4 for them =p
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 22 2018 15:17 GMT
#73
On February 23 2018 00:15 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 00:12 MrCon wrote:
TL is the first team qualified for playoffs gogo

All the remaining upper bracket teams (VP, VG, Secret, Fnatic) are qualified, they're just playing for seeding now

ho right obviously, that was dumb :D
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
February 22 2018 15:24 GMT
#74
Fnatic had an easier bracket this far but they still need to beat a proper top team to get points. 5th-6th compared to some lower placing doesn't matter that much. To get points they either need to beat Secret today or Liquid in the playoffs
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 15:24 GMT
#75
VP needs to turn on the plow and win within 30 minutes or they won't be able to kill VG
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 15:41 GMT
#76
ALRIGHT LET'S GO EE AND THE BOYS I BELIEEVE
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 15:44 GMT
#77
damn i feel asleep

how's the vg-vp going ? oh fnatic-secret is up
this is a quote
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 15:50 GMT
#78
Secret's lineup is looking pretty scary, but Abed Invoker can take them down (I hope)
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
svimes
Profile Joined December 2017
20 Posts
February 22 2018 15:51 GMT
#79
I find it extraordinary that the tournament provider's live stream (http://live.esl-one.com/|) can't show up to date scores of the matches that have completed today. Even googling it takes some effort.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 15:53:10
February 22 2018 15:52 GMT
#80
Fnatic should draft Uni Void and have Abed go cataclysm talent for easy teamfights
And as I say that, they go Beastmaster, which is a better hero anyways
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 15:54 GMT
#81
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 16:00 GMT
#82
On February 23 2018 00:54 babysimba wrote:
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.


A lot more utility items and getting the jump wins you most team fights. That invis is more valuable than people realize. And in a "we're already teamfighting anyway" meta, track is always valuable.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 22 2018 16:02 GMT
#83
dunno how they draft all these auras without banning TB
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:05 GMT
#84
On February 23 2018 01:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 00:54 babysimba wrote:
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.


A lot more utility items and getting the jump wins you most team fights. That invis is more valuable than people realize. And in a "we're already teamfighting anyway" meta, track is always valuable.

BH was only good at split pushing type of lineup in the past, with the exception of snowballing lineups in MVP. BH offers great vision information so that their team only choose to engage when they can take good fights, but is often a liability against against 5 man lineups that can brute force to victory.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 16:12 GMT
#85
VG have so many disables lol
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 16:16:27
February 22 2018 16:16 GMT
#86
lmao with that triple buyback undelord uber back into the base
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 16:17 GMT
#87
what a sick game by VG lmao
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 16:17 GMT
#88
On February 23 2018 01:05 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 01:00 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On February 23 2018 00:54 babysimba wrote:
BH is so strong this patch for god knows what reason. It used to be extremely weak against 5 man lineups because it can offer nothing in teamfights as a support except track movespeed.

Well as I say that, Virtus throw. Pretty ironic how they blame Lil for their problems when their cores are always the ones throwing in mid to late game even at their peak.


A lot more utility items and getting the jump wins you most team fights. That invis is more valuable than people realize. And in a "we're already teamfighting anyway" meta, track is always valuable.

BH was only good at split pushing type of lineup in the past, with the exception of snowballing lineups in MVP. BH offers great vision information so that their team only choose to engage when they can take good fights, but is often a liability against against 5 man lineups that can brute force to victory.


I actually thought the BH meta was over, but he came back today. VP just lost with BH, though, so there is that.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
February 22 2018 16:23 GMT
#89
Every Lanm team post-DK has had that special Lanm flair in their play. What a god.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 16:26:01
February 22 2018 16:24 GMT
#90
On February 22 2018 23:16 Pontual wrote:
Reso storm was actually really good, notail didn't get enough from lane phase and died a couple of times that really slowed down the lifestealer bomb that kills anyone the bomb jumps


You must have watched a different game than me then. Reso constantly overextended for kills on supports that he either didn't get or if he did he was left without mana and died. And during times where he really should be farming. Notail was freefarming during his laning phase, how could he possibly have gotten more than freefarm? This is like Resos 3rd storm game this happened- when they threw away a 8k (iirc) lead in the opening game against VG it was the same problem. Things going great then Reso dying like 4 times in a row going for questionable kills (Notail going for teamfight items on LD after rushing ags didn't help either).
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 16:35:58
February 22 2018 16:35 GMT
#91
I still don't get how nobody bans shaman against Fnatic. That hero is broken. It makes the life of offlaner hell without even needing his other support player, then transitions into some godly split pushing core which can also break high ground with ease.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 16:37 GMT
#92
huh Ace was really telling the truth about having difficulties against fnatic

though is still expect secret to take the series eventually
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 16:38 GMT
#93
lol this Shadow Shaman is a monster
WriterXiao8~~
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:39 GMT
#94
Current Secret playstyle is really built upon EE version of Secret. Puppey might not even be relevant today if EE didn't impart his dota knowledge to him.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 16:40 GMT
#95
On February 23 2018 01:39 babysimba wrote:
Current Secret playstyle is really built upon EE version of Secret. Puppey might not even be relevant today if EE didn't impart his dota knowledge to him.

I like EE but i doubt this is the case. The new secret is carry-centric but the old secret with EE was kinda different.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
February 22 2018 16:42 GMT
#96
Fnatic's strategies so far run something along the lines of "go get busy and let DJ farm on Rhasta" haha
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 16:43 GMT
#97
Holy shit scrim information was real. Fnatic is capable of beating secret
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:43 GMT
#98
Fnatic's playstyle is totally TI5 EG more than current EG.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 16:44 GMT
#99
Alright just one more game to win!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 16:46 GMT
#100
I bet if fnatic was facing somebody like vp or liquid or even eg right now they'd be losing already
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 22 2018 16:47 GMT
#101
envy knows how puppey probably thinks
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 16:54 GMT
#102
Before Secret 4.0, Puppey's teams mostly focused on winning lanes into snowballing 5 man centric type of lineup. After 4.0, it becomes greedy multi cores lineup. EE past playstyle has a serious influence on current Secret playstyle. Not to mention Fata is on this current team, and he is known to be a vocal shotcaller.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 17:01:44
February 22 2018 16:59 GMT
#103
Now i just hope that envy doesn't pick farming carry for himself like tb or AM or dusa

or at least if he does he keeps this fighting carry style cause it's working. This hyperaggressive all over the map is currrently working where abed and universe/dj actually gets space to farm.

On February 23 2018 01:54 babysimba wrote:
Before Secret 4.0, Puppey's teams mostly focused on winning lanes into snowballing 5 man centric type of lineup. After 4.0, it becomes greedy multi cores lineup. EE past playstyle has a serious influence on current Secret playstyle. Not to mention Fata is on this current team, and he is known to be a vocal shotcaller.

I still think puppey can figure out that style. He's after one of the captain's who know how to utilitize their players talent and did it longer than envy did (him with navi though it's also possible that post-artstyle(TI1)
navi was just a result of their players being ahead of their time)
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Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
February 22 2018 17:10 GMT
#104
If Fnatic wins this series, it makes a strong statement about SEA's strenght as a region. Although one could argue Mineski is out of the tournament already, I guess..
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 17:10 GMT
#105
i'm actually surprised puppey ban naga. he's so stubborn sometimes
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 22 2018 17:12 GMT
#106
did secret really just pick storm first phase lol
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 22 2018 17:14 GMT
#107
ursa to matchup against dk

prepare for musical lanes
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:17 GMT
#108
Feels like outdraft. Fnatic can just keep lanes pushed in until they get fat enough to hit their timing push.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:17 GMT
#109
fnatic probably gonna lose this

envy and abed are both playing farming cores

On February 23 2018 02:12 uthgard wrote:
did secret really just pick storm first phase lol

yeah idk midone is probably very confident

or could be a blockpick since yesterday fnatic picked kotl-storm although fnatic lost that game they were owning early on with storm-kotl and envy picked kotl early this draft .. it could be in scrims they had difficulty
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:20 GMT
#110
DK, TB is going take down all outer towers easily and they still have a beastmaster. Fnatic has more than enough space to farm. Rubick + ES duo is so greedy
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
February 22 2018 17:25 GMT
#111
why sack terror?
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:26 GMT
#112
Oh well Secret lanes ran well enough. They are going to take over the game instead lol.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:28 GMT
#113
On February 23 2018 02:20 babysimba wrote:
DK, TB is going take down all outer towers easily and they still have a beastmaster. Fnatic has more than enough space to farm. Rubick + ES duo is so greedy

that's assuming fnatic doesn't get run over by storm+ursa

both heroes have to have a good start
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 17:30:18
February 22 2018 17:29 GMT
#114
This this VG vs VP seems pretty hard

I don't know but i feel VP fucked up 2 teams getting so greedy with rodjer
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 17:29:55
February 22 2018 17:29 GMT
#115
On February 23 2018 02:25 LemOn wrote:
why sack terror?

fnatic likes to pick some farm reliant carry for Envy then just sac him

It usually doesn't work out

On February 23 2018 02:29 Faruko wrote:
This this VG vs VP seems over

I don't know but i feel VP fucked up 2 teams getting so greedy with rodjer

VG is an insanely strong team right now, losing to them doesn't make you bad
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:32 GMT
#116
If only fnatic just did that aggressive playstyle where they had tons of fighting hero, envy on a core that rotates and abed that scales well lategame

On February 23 2018 02:29 TomatoBisque wrote:
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On February 23 2018 02:25 LemOn wrote:
why sack terror?

fnatic likes to pick some farm reliant carry for Envy then just sac him

It usually doesn't work out

idk it works out alot since they do it alot

but not against a draft meant for aggression especially when abed also relies on farm
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:33 GMT
#117
Crazy how good a chinese team is during CNY season. CNY is so huge in China they might not even have time to play pubs.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:33 GMT
#118
lol i knew this would happen the moment they picked farming core for both envy and abed
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
February 22 2018 17:34 GMT
#119
On February 23 2018 02:29 Faruko wrote:
This this VG vs VP seems pretty hard

I don't know but i feel VP fucked up 2 teams getting so greedy with rodjer


Rodjer is responsible for their drafting and NoOne overextending in fights?
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 17:34 GMT
#120
Man this game is looking rough
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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 22 2018 17:35 GMT
#121
On February 23 2018 02:32 goody153 wrote:
If only fnatic just did that aggressive playstyle where they had tons of fighting hero, envy on a core that rotates and abed that scales well lategame

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 02:29 TomatoBisque wrote:
On February 23 2018 02:25 LemOn wrote:
why sack terror?

fnatic likes to pick some farm reliant carry for Envy then just sac him

It usually doesn't work out

idk it works out alot since they do it alot

but not against a draft meant for aggression especially when abed also relies on farm

maybe I'm biased because I'm thinking of the game they picked him spectre and sacced him and it went just like this
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:36 GMT
#122
On February 23 2018 02:34 plasmidghost wrote:
Man this game is looking rough


i mean last game fnatic was successful because envy was playing who fought alot and made alot of rotations that abed+dj got their space

this game abed, envy and dj require tons of farming
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:39 GMT
#123
On February 23 2018 02:35 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 02:32 goody153 wrote:
If only fnatic just did that aggressive playstyle where they had tons of fighting hero, envy on a core that rotates and abed that scales well lategame

On February 23 2018 02:29 TomatoBisque wrote:
On February 23 2018 02:25 LemOn wrote:
why sack terror?

fnatic likes to pick some farm reliant carry for Envy then just sac him

It usually doesn't work out

idk it works out alot since they do it alot

but not against a draft meant for aggression especially when abed also relies on farm

maybe I'm biased because I'm thinking of the game they picked him spectre and sacced him and it went just like this

oh i saw that game that was one of the more terrible ones

there are certainly games where it doesn't work if his other teammates doesn't get a good start and envy got sacced which is probably the case this game
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#124
It makes sense to sac farm reliant carry because all he does is hit creeps and push in lanes. Better to let the offlaner have a good start and let him carry the tempo going around killing shit.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#125
On February 23 2018 02:36 goody153 wrote:
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On February 23 2018 02:34 plasmidghost wrote:
Man this game is looking rough


i mean last game fnatic was successful because envy was playing who fought alot and made alot of rotations that abed+dj got their space

this game abed, envy and dj require tons of farming

another big difference is in g1 universe crushed fata in the 1v1 and fata was just a third support/walking ravage as a result
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:40 GMT
#126
maybe fnatic has a chance if midone keeps throwing
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:41 GMT
#127
Game is never over against a TB
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 17:42:10
February 22 2018 17:41 GMT
#128
On February 23 2018 02:40 TomatoBisque wrote:
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On February 23 2018 02:36 goody153 wrote:
On February 23 2018 02:34 plasmidghost wrote:
Man this game is looking rough


i mean last game fnatic was successful because envy was playing who fought alot and made alot of rotations that abed+dj got their space

this game abed, envy and dj require tons of farming

another big difference is in g1 universe crushed fata in the 1v1 and fata was just a third support/walking ravage as a result

and they had heroes that made plenty of rotations

support nyx and kotl doesn't exactly excel at rotating though it could be done
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 17:44 GMT
#129
VG 2-0 over VP. VG definitely earned their top 4.

I still don't feel like VG has played that well, but they're definitely doing something in the draft & strategy that's working better in this meta than anyone else.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 17:45 GMT
#130
This nyx pick is so game losing
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 17:54:22
February 22 2018 17:51 GMT
#131
On February 23 2018 02:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
VG 2-0 over VP. VG definitely earned their top 4.

I still don't feel like VG has played that well, but they're definitely doing something in the draft & strategy that's working better in this meta than anyone else.


Their drafting has definitely been their strength so far in the upper bracket. However, I think VG is too one-dimensional in their core picks and they rely too much on ET/Bane/Naga to salvage bad matchups (Disruptor has been wanting so far). VP had both of those games if they had cores that could push high ground.

Also, Dark Seer sucks.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 17:58 GMT
#132
man i wish fnatic doesn't do this kind of shit this too many greedy cores

they excel when they just allow abed+dj to be the farmy ones while the rest plays the aggressive one
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BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria854 Posts
February 22 2018 18:05 GMT
#133
This game is Secret against Kotl. End plz.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:06 GMT
#134
why is secret playing so pussy they could really win this now or like the last 15 minutes ago

(or has it already ended cause i'm watching from the stream)
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 22 2018 18:08 GMT
#135
On February 23 2018 03:06 goody153 wrote:
why is secret playing so pussy they could really win this now or like the last 15 minutes ago

(or has it already ended cause i'm watching from the stream)

They don't really have any towerhitters. Their best hero at hitting towers is Abbadon, who is not really great.

Very nice Echo by Puppey.
super gg
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 22 2018 18:08 GMT
#136
On February 23 2018 03:06 goody153 wrote:
why is secret playing so pussy they could really win this now or like the last 15 minutes ago

(or has it already ended cause i'm watching from the stream)

they're playing around EE down 2 lanes of rax

also kotl just blinding lighted shaker into 4 of fnatic for the easiest echo of puppey's life
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:09 GMT
#137
man i really hope fnatic doesn't pick this kind of shit again

don't pick too many farming cores when the enemy team plans to kill you through aggression
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
February 22 2018 18:09 GMT
#138
Wow, what a blinkt+force echo slam by puppy!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
February 22 2018 18:10 GMT
#139
53k lead

what the fuck call gg
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
February 22 2018 18:11 GMT
#140
Did EE lose the game (not that they had much chance..) by misclicking his bkb?
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 18:11 GMT
#141
icefrog create meteor hammer because he played this type of game once
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 22 2018 18:11 GMT
#142
That was the closed 50k differential I've ever seen.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:12 GMT
#143
On February 23 2018 03:11 DucK- wrote:
Did EE lose the game (not that they had much chance..) by misclicking his bkb?

they already lost the game from like 30 minutes ago

also they smashed secret game 1 because they went ultraaggressive and envy played a fighting carry

this game they're playing the complete opposite
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uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 22 2018 18:13 GMT
#144
I really think they should reduce kotl aghs heal
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:14 GMT
#145
if fnatic picks another of this kind of draft when they could play hyperaggressive extremely well i'm gonna lose it
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
February 22 2018 18:14 GMT
#146
On February 23 2018 03:12 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 03:11 DucK- wrote:
Did EE lose the game (not that they had much chance..) by misclicking his bkb?

they already lost the game from like 30 minutes ago

also they smashed secret game 1 because they went ultraaggressive and envy played a fighting carry

this game they're playing the complete opposite


I mean allow secret to close out the game finally lol. Their slim chance of winning was secret over extending and dk/ tb doing their thing lol
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 18:18:00
February 22 2018 18:14 GMT
#147
i dont mind the heals just remove the daylight vision

honestly all these heroes that force stalemates is why i dont play dota that much anymore. its just tiring
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 18:24 GMT
#148
That's why meteor hammer exists now. More than 20k gold lead for more than half the game and they don't even build a 2k+ hammer
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 18:33 GMT
#149
Fnatic always seems to fall back on the EE Razor
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:34 GMT
#150
fnatic and secret are both getting their comfort heroes

this is gonna be fun
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 18:35 GMT
#151
Damn LD pick, it demolished Fnatic yesterday
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:36 GMT
#152
On February 23 2018 03:33 plasmidghost wrote:
Fnatic always seems to fall back on the EE Razor

many times better than him getting TB and they just get runover by the enemy team because they play conservative rather than abuse their trait of actually being good in setting up multiple skirmishes around the map
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
February 22 2018 18:40 GMT
#153
Surely IceFrog realizes DK is too ridiculous to escape the nerf bat.
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 18:41 GMT
#154
Secret need to dodge the ld vs razor lane
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 22 2018 18:43 GMT
#155
holy

i'm fanboying this ember to the end
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:44 GMT
#156
i think secret has this

they have the better scaling lineup and i don't think razor+ember+underlord is gonna be enough once mid-lategame hits
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Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
February 22 2018 18:44 GMT
#157
aw shiet is this gonna be a meteor hammer voker
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 18:45 GMT
#158
qw invoker to fuck this ember up?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:45 GMT
#159
i don't think fnatic has the damage to stop the bear if lonedruid gets a good start actually
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
February 22 2018 18:45 GMT
#160
I can't wait to see towers vanish after Secret win a teamfight.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 18:46 GMT
#161
Abed Ember vs MidOne Invoker, this is going to be a good matchup
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 18:50 GMT
#162
DJ Clock needs to do a lot of work and they absolutely cannot let LD get ahead
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:51 GMT
#163
that was a really sick SoF dodge by abed

he should've beenm dead
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 18:55 GMT
#164
i don't think fnatic will ever win this game even if they pull ahead

secret overall just scales better
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Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 22 2018 18:56 GMT
#165
Not impressed by Secret
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 18:57 GMT
#166
DJ's movement is so good wtf
WriterXiao8~~
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 18:58:50
February 22 2018 18:58 GMT
#167
13 min crimson. Fnatic can win any fights with that
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:00 GMT
#168
holy smokes universe is farmed

i wonder if he is tempted to go radiance he could get it before 20 minutes
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Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 19:01 GMT
#169
lol this invoker build again
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 22 2018 19:03 GMT
#170
this is some next level lone druid build
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:04 GMT
#171
i wish universe went radiance he's so tanky right now and he's always upfront

and he would've gotten it right now .. and abed could've gone another item like veil or something
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:05 GMT
#172
On February 23 2018 04:03 TomatoBisque wrote:
this is some next level lone druid build

it's literally old range druid with a helm of dom start as a difference
this is a quote
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 22 2018 19:06 GMT
#173
On February 23 2018 04:05 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 04:03 TomatoBisque wrote:
this is some next level lone druid build

it's literally old range druid with a helm of dom start as a difference

helm of dom summons are affected by rabid+battle cry (according to bulldog anyway)
rip
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 19:08 GMT
#174
Think Secret is going to get run over soon. Too much damage mitgation by Fnatic
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:10 GMT
#175
On February 23 2018 04:06 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 04:05 goody153 wrote:
On February 23 2018 04:03 TomatoBisque wrote:
this is some next level lone druid build

it's literally old range druid with a helm of dom start as a difference

helm of dom summons are affected by rabid+battle cry (according to bulldog anyway)

that;s pretty sick

it's like another lycan
this is a quote
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 22 2018 19:10 GMT
#176
yapzor is the king of greediness
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
February 22 2018 19:12 GMT
#177
On February 23 2018 04:06 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 04:05 goody153 wrote:
On February 23 2018 04:03 TomatoBisque wrote:
this is some next level lone druid build

it's literally old range druid with a helm of dom start as a difference

helm of dom summons are affected by rabid+battle cry (according to bulldog anyway)


Disgusting.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:13 GMT
#178
A bit greedy from Fnatic but at least they got the rax
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 19:14 GMT
#179
fata saved 4k gold just to buy shadow blade...
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 19:16 GMT
#180
Secret is back in the game, even in the lead i would say
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 19:16:46
February 22 2018 19:16 GMT
#181
Last time I played this build, they were affected by Battle Cry, but not by Rabid. Also, Battle Cry plus Dominated Catapult and Bear equals dead towers in seconds.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:17 GMT
#182
why did they go one by one
this is a quote
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 19:18 GMT
#183
i dont like this invoker build. can't imagine how midone is comfortable playing like this
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 19:20 GMT
#184
Pretty standard old school qw invoker build though. He played it quite a lot of times
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:20 GMT
#185
God damn it that's probably game
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 19:21 GMT
#186
This game is so weird
WriterXiao8~~
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:21 GMT
#187
ugh fnatic
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:26 GMT
#188
this game is over for fnatic

secret is reaching to the point where the draft just scales better and fnatic is playing scared
this is a quote
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:27 GMT
#189
Fnatic has to make something happen after Aegis expires on LD
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 19:28 GMT
#190
Ember just sucks. No more pms to do better in lane. No damage to down towers. Might as well go magic sf instead of magic ember
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:32 GMT
#191
They didn't shut down the LD like they needed to
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
February 22 2018 19:33 GMT
#192
EE??
"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:33 GMT
#193
At least they forced Invoker buyback, that's good
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
February 22 2018 19:33 GMT
#194
if only he had swaped uberlord
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
February 22 2018 19:34 GMT
#195
Oh my lord that rosh went down so fast
THat was all LD basically, with wave reduction
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 19:34 GMT
#196
Hahah that swap was like "fuck you" from puppey to EE
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 22 2018 19:34 GMT
#197
fuckin hell, Puppey is so good!
super gg
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#198
HJAJAJAJAA

JHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAAH

LMAO

HAHAHA
WriterXiao8~~
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#199
WHAT
Moderator
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#200
hahahahahaha lmao
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#201
WHAT WHAT WHAT
Moderator
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#202
THIS
IS
DOTA
2
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Tegenaria
Profile Joined November 2011
France379 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#203
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAA
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#204
Bot lane super creeps doing work, that's one more saving grace for Fnatic
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#205
I literally fell off my chair. :O
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Theoren
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada810 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#206
ROFL only a game with EE could end that way
Mosoball
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland686 Posts
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#207
WHAT THE SHIIIIIII
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 19:36:08
February 22 2018 19:35 GMT
#208
I feel bad for secret, what a way to lose
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Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#209
Turns out that early melee rax taken by fnatic was the game winning play LOL
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#210
LMAO THAT ENDING
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#211
Well damn
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#212
LOL WTF
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
uthgard
Profile Joined January 2015
2098 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#213
man that gotta feel so fucking shit rofl
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#214
FNATIC GODS
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#215
rofl
rip
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#216
Ahahahahahahahahahaha I am dying. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#217
Once a man said that when a game is going bad you have to create chaos. So much chaos nobody understands Dota 2 anymore.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#218
ROFL holy shit my stream lagged and they actually won YES FUCK YES
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
February 22 2018 19:36 GMT
#219
omg i cant believe this end xD
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:37 GMT
#220
DPC POINTS SECURED BOYS
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
February 22 2018 19:37 GMT
#221
Miracles happen.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:37 GMT
#222
HAHAHAHAA
this is a quote
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
February 22 2018 19:40 GMT
#223
bit of a baity question from sheever, didn't really like that tbh, but good answer from EE
Moderator
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 19:40 GMT
#224
On February 23 2018 04:40 Firebolt145 wrote:
bit of a baity question from sheever, didn't really like that tbh, but good answer from EE

What did she ask?
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
incoherent
Profile Joined November 2011
United States54 Posts
February 22 2018 19:40 GMT
#225
And that's why you keep the lanes pushed out, Secret.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 22 2018 19:41 GMT
#226
On February 23 2018 04:40 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 04:40 Firebolt145 wrote:
bit of a baity question from sheever, didn't really like that tbh, but good answer from EE

What did she ask?


If beating Secret felt better. EE said that what happened was way too far into the past for it to matter now.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44148 Posts
February 22 2018 19:41 GMT
#227
oh boy Xurr was doing some declarative statements that envy is bad and should never play or something only to end up his team losing to envy lol
this is a quote
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
February 22 2018 19:42 GMT
#228
On February 23 2018 04:41 goody153 wrote:
oh boy Xurr was doing some declarative statements that envy is bad and should never play or something only to end up his team losing to envy lol


lol add another one to the list of EE haters
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 22 2018 19:44 GMT
#229
On February 23 2018 04:41 goody153 wrote:
oh boy Xurr was doing some declarative statements that envy is bad and should never play or something only to end up his team losing to envy lol


Oh yeah I do remember that
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
maximrobi
Profile Joined May 2015
Hungary347 Posts
February 22 2018 19:44 GMT
#230
On February 23 2018 04:40 incoherent wrote:
And that's why you keep the lanes pushed out, Secret.

Actually they should've rotated BOT and not top after taking mind racks. Just to keep the creeps out of their base.
This game is about towers and the Throne, not kills and fancy play.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
February 22 2018 19:46 GMT
#231
if EG beats newbee tomorrow' we're getting EG vs VP again lol
IndyO
Profile Joined June 2012
392 Posts
February 22 2018 19:50 GMT
#232
Wow what an ending. Fell asleep after game 2, woke up just in time to see the highground siege at Fnatics base. Didnt even know that Secret base was open.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
February 22 2018 19:52 GMT
#233
On February 23 2018 04:50 IndyO wrote:
Wow what an ending. Fell asleep after game 2, woke up just in time to see the highground siege at Fnatics base. Didnt even know that Secret base was open.

It's ok, Secret didn't know either.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
February 22 2018 20:01 GMT
#234
I cannot believe Fnatic managed to make top 4
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Damned627
Profile Joined November 2016
Indonesia264 Posts
February 22 2018 22:11 GMT
#235
You guys know what's the best part? Either Secret or Liquid will be out before playing in front of an audience.
None
broodbucket
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia963 Posts
February 22 2018 23:43 GMT
#236
fnatic has the way easier side of the playoff bracket
Kelefei2016
Profile Joined August 2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
February 23 2018 01:09 GMT
#237
Despite Secret lost, Midone still proved that he is top player in his origin SEA.
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
February 23 2018 02:11 GMT
#238
On February 23 2018 10:09 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Despite Secret lost, Midone still proved that he is top player in his origin SEA.


eh, we already knew that
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Kelefei2016
Profile Joined August 2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
February 23 2018 04:54 GMT
#239
On February 23 2018 11:11 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2018 10:09 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Despite Secret lost, Midone still proved that he is top player in his origin SEA.


eh, we already knew that


There are tense arguement in SEA region that the previous Fnatic Midlaner or the latest Fnatic Midlaner is the top player in SEA.
SatsuinoHado
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria777 Posts
February 23 2018 08:07 GMT
#240
On February 23 2018 05:01 plasmidghost wrote:
I cannot believe Fnatic managed to make top 4


Remember ESL One in 2 years when VegaSquadron won the entire thing. We need surprises like that either way we will have what 5-6 teams every single top 6

On a side note i prefer the BO1 to be the losers 1-st round instead of 1-st round upper bracket the ONLY thing Kinguir did was to fuck up few teams and make easy bracket for mediacore teams... let hope this bracket format never repeats!
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