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On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting

On August 13 2017 10:58 Reson wrote:


Then Liquid would have been out. Only TI champion to have not reached WB finals.

On August 13 2017 10:58 Reson wrote:


Then Liquid would have been out. Only TI champion to have not reached WB finals.

On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting

On August 13 2017 10:54 hootsushi wrote:


Yeah, I think so as well, VP's early game aggression is kinda comparable to what Newbee did in game2, but VP took the aggression into mid/late, while Newbee went too passive

On August 13 2017 10:53 Artisreal wrote:
An ending more akin to the world cup football matches with maybe 15 to 30 mins analysis wins be nice.
This feels very abrupt again.

On August 13 2017 11:01 VGhost wrote:


Not quite true - TI2 IG lost in UB semis before coming back to win.

On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

On August 13 2017 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:

did you miss the point where PPD explained what advantage the winner gets?
They're given 3 wins for the cointosses, which is quite big in Dota. As well as the preparation advantage from making Liquid play2 games while Newbee spend all their time digging into how to beat them while liquid got what... 1 hour inbetween?

On August 13 2017 11:17 Reson wrote:


Ohh missed the PPD explanation. What was the cointoss advantage?

On August 13 2017 11:20 Toadesstern wrote:

before every game there's a cointoss, the winner gets to pick what they want: first pick, 2nd pick, dire, radiant or whatever else. Basicly the team that comes in from WB gets auto-win on the cointoss in game 1, 3 and 5 meaning that you go into these games with absolutely100% confidence because you know ahead of time who gets firstpick etc. Which is quite big because you can get a lot more time to think your picks and bans through if you already know what you're going to get or just flat out want to deny your opponent something, like the first-pick ES.

Or at least according to PPD it's a really big advantage.

On August 13 2017 11:24 Reson wrote:


It is a big advantage in itself. But was it clarified if it was still 50-50 for games 2 and 4? I think if that was the case, its a decent way of giving WB advantage.