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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11894 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 01:59:23
August 13 2017 01:57 GMT
#3081
Was watching the games with some friends and we all agreed the last game was in the bag for newbee after the first 4 picks. Just needed some physical DPS to round it off. Then they picked DP and two instantly changed their favour to Liquid.

Was a close game with the rosh fight where sand king deciding for epicenter instead of stopping ES turned it in Liquid's favour. Then their lineup just scales better and they slowly gained an edge into the win.
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 01:58:40
August 13 2017 01:58 GMT
#3082
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Then Liquid would have been out. Only TI champion to have not reached WB finals.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 13 2017 02:00 GMT
#3083
On August 13 2017 10:58 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Then Liquid would have been out. Only TI champion to have not reached WB finals.

iG at TI2 lost in second WB round. Basically Liquid did a run similar to iG's at TI2.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3615 Posts
August 13 2017 02:01 GMT
#3084
On August 13 2017 10:58 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Then Liquid would have been out. Only TI champion to have not reached WB finals.


Not quite true - TI2 IG lost in UB semis before coming back to win.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Eleonora
Profile Joined April 2017
29 Posts
August 13 2017 02:05 GMT
#3085
Can you actually imagine the amount of cringe that champagne + rep carpet part would have been if Newbee had won ?
Lord really do have mercy...
Kaizoku
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden96 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 02:06:43
August 13 2017 02:06 GMT
#3086
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.
Failure is success if we learn from it.
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 13 2017 02:06 GMT
#3087
On August 13 2017 10:54 hootsushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 10:52 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:46 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:43 Half the Sky wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:41 Evander Berry Wall wrote:
It really felt like Newbee being in the grand finals was some kind of a mistake.


This.

It should have really been Liquid vs VP in the grandfinals. That was easily the closest series Liquid had and I'm not sure what would have happened had the Bloodseeker picked up the rapier in the VP base before tp'ing into Liquids base... Kind of weird to think about how that could have been the end of Liquid now


Eh, I think Liquid were playing a lot worse against VP compared to how they played their last 3 series. Not a fair comparison assuming that the games would have looked anything like that if they occurred later in the tournament .

LFY made VP look like 5k mmr players.

hard to say if that's on Liquid or on VP making them play worse. Liquid made LGD look horrible as well and they did fine against every other team as well. Some teams just don't do good vs certain teams I guess?


Yeah, I think so as well, VP's early game aggression is kinda comparable to what Newbee did in game2, but VP took the aggression into mid/late, while Newbee went too passive


Newbee played with fear today very unlike how they have been playing all tournament. They were so hesistant even with things going their way in game 2. Crumbled under pressure.

Matchups matter a lot in Dota. I remember thinking that if VP beat Liquid during game 3 that TI7 champion will be a CN team. VP cant get through LFY with teamfighting. The best way of dominating CN teams is macro pressure.
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
August 13 2017 02:06 GMT
#3088
On August 13 2017 10:53 Artisreal wrote:
An ending more akin to the world cup football matches with maybe 15 to 30 mins analysis wins be nice.
This feels very abrupt again.

agree
affect
Profile Joined June 2010
United States60 Posts
August 13 2017 02:08 GMT
#3089
To bad IG got upset by LGD they would have at least went the distance.
im cool
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 02:13:38
August 13 2017 02:08 GMT
#3090
On August 13 2017 11:01 VGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 10:58 Reson wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Then Liquid would have been out. Only TI champion to have not reached WB finals.


Not quite true - TI2 IG lost in UB semis before coming back to win.


Corrected

I just looked at the TI2 bracket. There were so many best of ones. That was when staying in the upper bracket was so important.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 02:12:30
August 13 2017 02:11 GMT
#3091
On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

Single elim sucks because it puts way too much weight on seeding. Remember Boston Major with one half of the bracket having 3 of the best Western teams at the time and the other one with Ad Finem that produced shitty finals (1 game of OG messing around notwithstanding)? I do. If you put it through 2 group stages to define seeding beforehand like it's done in StarCraft (both in BW and in SC2) then it is acceptable for ro8 onward with preparation time given for each series. For something like TI main event that is done non stop over a week with fairly low amount of time for preparation (going down to 1 hour Liquid had after their LFY series), single elim just sucks.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 13 2017 02:12 GMT
#3092
On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

did you miss the point where PPD explained what advantage the winner gets?
They're given 3 wins for the cointosses, which is quite big in Dota. As well as the preparation advantage from making Liquid play2 games while Newbee spend all their time digging into how to beat them while liquid got what... 1 hour inbetween?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 13 2017 02:17 GMT
#3093
On August 13 2017 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

did you miss the point where PPD explained what advantage the winner gets?
They're given 3 wins for the cointosses, which is quite big in Dota. As well as the preparation advantage from making Liquid play2 games while Newbee spend all their time digging into how to beat them while liquid got what... 1 hour inbetween?


Ohh missed the PPD explanation. What was the cointoss advantage?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 02:21:31
August 13 2017 02:20 GMT
#3094
On August 13 2017 11:17 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

did you miss the point where PPD explained what advantage the winner gets?
They're given 3 wins for the cointosses, which is quite big in Dota. As well as the preparation advantage from making Liquid play2 games while Newbee spend all their time digging into how to beat them while liquid got what... 1 hour inbetween?


Ohh missed the PPD explanation. What was the cointoss advantage?

before every game there's a cointoss, the winner gets to pick what they want: first pick, 2nd pick, dire, radiant or whatever else. Basicly the team that comes in from WB gets auto-win on the cointoss in game 1, 3 and 5 meaning that you go into these games with absolutely100% confidence because you know ahead of time who gets firstpick etc. Which is quite big because you can get a lot more time to think your picks and bans through if you already know what you're going to get or just flat out want to deny your opponent something, like the first-pick ES.

Or at least according to PPD it's a really big advantage.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
August 13 2017 02:22 GMT
#3095
they get to pick dire/radiant/first/second in games 1,3 and 5
passive quaranstream fan
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
August 13 2017 02:24 GMT
#3096
On August 13 2017 11:20 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 11:17 Reson wrote:
On August 13 2017 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

did you miss the point where PPD explained what advantage the winner gets?
They're given 3 wins for the cointosses, which is quite big in Dota. As well as the preparation advantage from making Liquid play2 games while Newbee spend all their time digging into how to beat them while liquid got what... 1 hour inbetween?


Ohh missed the PPD explanation. What was the cointoss advantage?

before every game there's a cointoss, the winner gets to pick what they want: first pick, 2nd pick, dire, radiant or whatever else. Basicly the team that comes in from WB gets auto-win on the cointoss in game 1, 3 and 5 meaning that you go into these games with absolutely100% confidence because you know ahead of time who gets firstpick etc. Which is quite big because you can get a lot more time to think your picks and bans through if you already know what you're going to get or just flat out want to deny your opponent something, like the first-pick ES.

Or at least according to PPD it's a really big advantage.


It is a big advantage in itself. But was it clarified if it was still 50-50 for games 2 and 4? I think if that was the case, its a decent way of giving WB advantage.
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 02:31:24
August 13 2017 02:30 GMT
#3097
Congratulations to Team Liquid. You guys saved the face of Western Dota, even though it has been impotent at The International stage since 2015. I believe this is the first 3-0 ever in the history of this tournament as well?
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 13 2017 02:31 GMT
#3098
On August 13 2017 11:24 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2017 11:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 13 2017 11:17 Reson wrote:
On August 13 2017 11:12 Toadesstern wrote:
On August 13 2017 11:06 Kaizoku wrote:
On August 13 2017 10:51 Zea! wrote:
I think that the single bracket formula adopted in the Majors is way more interesting


Yes, the format with a loosers bracket were there is no real benefit apart from less games for the winner bracket team is stupid. They havent lost in the "playoffs" at all. The team from the loosers bracket are going to the finals because of the second chance that they have been given. The team in the grand finals comming from the winner bracket never get that second chance.

Previously this has been dealt with by the fact that the looser bracket team need to win for either 2 bo3s or 3 games were the winner bracket team has 1 game up.

E-sports should really work on a format close to the ones commonly used in sports. We want to appeal for the general public and ye second chances shouldnt be a thing in my sense in these tournaments. Single bracket format gives more cinderella stories, since if the top team loses in the playoffs/final stages they are out, final. A tournament is all about being best when it matters, it is not being best when it matters oh wait you werent here get a second chance. It is supposed to be brutal, not forgiving.

Now im generalizing, but given that the majority of the community dont have any real experience and interest within sports. I understand you wont approve of this format or might find it "too brutal" and that it will be decided by chance, rng, unlucky moodswings (eg. but EG lost because they played at 10.30 and he didnt get his 11.00 snack so he had hard to keep his cool).
Chance, luck, rng and whatnot THAT ARE SPORTS! It will always be one of the big elements which makes it so fascinating. Thanks to that we always have David vs Goliath stories - Finally, It is just that which wins fans hearts a darkhorse, the unpredictable. WE AS ESPORTS WANT TO GROW. We want to become accepted in the generally community it will give everything and even better foundation. (Sadly, some "dont care" we shouldnt be that introvert, dare to be that and take place and breathe the air.).

Imagine dota actually being a bigger sport with an actual series like sports, tournaments like the champions league and not everything run alone on the premises of valve. Where the actual production can choose what talent that casts and at the studio, and not valve. Just like todays tv with sports. But yea naive thinking here - better go to sleep.

did you miss the point where PPD explained what advantage the winner gets?
They're given 3 wins for the cointosses, which is quite big in Dota. As well as the preparation advantage from making Liquid play2 games while Newbee spend all their time digging into how to beat them while liquid got what... 1 hour inbetween?


Ohh missed the PPD explanation. What was the cointoss advantage?

before every game there's a cointoss, the winner gets to pick what they want: first pick, 2nd pick, dire, radiant or whatever else. Basicly the team that comes in from WB gets auto-win on the cointoss in game 1, 3 and 5 meaning that you go into these games with absolutely100% confidence because you know ahead of time who gets firstpick etc. Which is quite big because you can get a lot more time to think your picks and bans through if you already know what you're going to get or just flat out want to deny your opponent something, like the first-pick ES.

Or at least according to PPD it's a really big advantage.


It is a big advantage in itself. But was it clarified if it was still 50-50 for games 2 and 4? I think if that was the case, its a decent way of giving WB advantage.

idk about that either and I asked the same.
The way PPD said it it could be both:
a) Newbee get pick in 1-3-5, thus Liquid get it in 2-4 or
b) Newbee get pick in 1-3-5, 2-4 will still be cointosses

IDK about that and it wasn't really clear, sry
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lolfail9001
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 13 2017 02:44 GMT
#3099
Liquid had a pretty ridiculous run this summer.
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Germany9235 Posts
August 13 2017 02:47 GMT
#3100
Against liquid I think last pick is way superior to first pick. You can't ban all heros and if you try to deny pick them they just go with a different route.
If you pick first they 5th pick a brood or Alchemist and you're in for a treat.

Mass stuns and mobility was a good try in game 3 but newbee lacked the final touches of DMG to stay in the game during the Roshan fight.
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