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Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
August 11 2017 23:53 GMT
#1101
On August 12 2017 08:51 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:50 Sabu113 wrote:
I want to see Summail vs bot.

They said he lost 10-0


That was Arteezy.
Getting too old for this..
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 11 2017 23:54 GMT
#1102
On August 12 2017 08:52 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Even if you don't block at all. He hits lvl2 and then just harasses you down with raze and stronger right click.


Yeah. One interesting thing is that he did miss several cs. I wonder what the reason for that is. Seems unlikely it just can't CS perfectly, that should be one of the easier things.

It prioritizes other things over perfect cs
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 11 2017 23:54 GMT
#1103
Poll: Who will win?

Liquid (10)
 
63%

not LGD (6)
 
38%

16 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): Liquid
(Vote): not LGD

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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 23:55:05
August 11 2017 23:54 GMT
#1104
On August 12 2017 08:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:52 Orome wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Even if you don't block at all. He hits lvl2 and then just harasses you down with raze and stronger right click.


Yeah. One interesting thing is that he did miss several cs. I wonder what the reason for that is. Seems unlikely it just can't CS perfectly, that should be one of the easier things.

It prioritizes other things over perfect cs

Yeah, looks like they coded killing enemy hero into it as the win condition so it prioritizes killing the player to the point of tower dives.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 11 2017 23:55 GMT
#1105
Just win it a la Puppey, break monitors, bot gone FUCK YOU
The Real Power~
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3331 Posts
August 11 2017 23:55 GMT
#1106
I think the biggest thing about Deep Mind that they were talking about is how they were going to limit the APM to a human level. I don't think they did that with this bot, so it's essentially a micro bot like blink AI for Stalkers no? Also, for Deep Mind, the whole point that they wanted to play starcraft as the next game was because they wanted to see what a bot would do with limited information (unlike chess and go where all knowledge is always fully known). I don't know if this bot is using its own screen or knowing all information (like the brood war bots were impossible to hide from and Deep Mind is going to limit the information to things it only know and not use info in the fog of war). I thought this knew when Dendi stopped blocking before he could actually see it
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
August 11 2017 23:56 GMT
#1107
Is... that... Bruno?
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 11 2017 23:56 GMT
#1108
On August 12 2017 08:55 Bisu-Fan wrote:
I think the biggest thing about Deep Mind that they were talking about is how they were going to limit the APM to a human level. I don't think they did that with this bot, so it's essentially a micro bot like blink AI for Stalkers no? Also, for Deep Mind, the whole point that they wanted to play starcraft as the next game was because they wanted to see what a bot would do with limited information (unlike chess and go where all knowledge is always fully known). I don't know if this bot is using its own screen or knowing all information (like the brood war bots were impossible to hide from and Deep Mind is going to limit the information to things it only know and not use info in the fog of war). I thought this knew when Dendi stopped blocking before he could actually see it

that's a good point, what info does the bot work with
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Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 11 2017 23:56 GMT
#1109
On August 12 2017 08:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:52 Orome wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Even if you don't block at all. He hits lvl2 and then just harasses you down with raze and stronger right click.


Yeah. One interesting thing is that he did miss several cs. I wonder what the reason for that is. Seems unlikely it just can't CS perfectly, that should be one of the easier things.

It prioritizes other things over perfect cs


But it wasn't not going for CS in favour of right-clicking more, it was hitting the creep and barely not getting the CS. Now that I think about it, it's likely just due to dmg variability. When playing vs itself, it can't wait for the safe threshold, it has to go for the percentage CS.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
August 11 2017 23:56 GMT
#1110
death to the sea horses
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 11 2017 23:56 GMT
#1111
LGD couldnt even beat virtus throw i aint scared. Liquid was hiding strats and tripped up vs iG but it didnt affect them
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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
August 11 2017 23:57 GMT
#1112
the AI shouldn't be able to miss a last hit right? But it missed several CS
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
August 11 2017 23:57 GMT
#1113
Match is rigged, lgd already have a robot playing for them
Akara12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2016
164 Posts
August 11 2017 23:57 GMT
#1114
5v5 is a whole different ball game though. I doubt even Google Deepmind would be good at Dota any time soon.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 11 2017 23:57 GMT
#1115
On August 12 2017 08:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:52 Orome wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Even if you don't block at all. He hits lvl2 and then just harasses you down with raze and stronger right click.


Yeah. One interesting thing is that he did miss several cs. I wonder what the reason for that is. Seems unlikely it just can't CS perfectly, that should be one of the easier things.

It prioritizes other things over perfect cs

Yeah, looks like they coded killing enemy hero into it as the win condition so it prioritizes killing the player to the point of tower dives.

Nah i don't think so, it simply "knows" from playing against each other countless of times that it's more likely to win if it doesn't cs at that specific time
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3331 Posts
August 11 2017 23:58 GMT
#1116
On August 12 2017 08:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:55 Bisu-Fan wrote:
I think the biggest thing about Deep Mind that they were talking about is how they were going to limit the APM to a human level. I don't think they did that with this bot, so it's essentially a micro bot like blink AI for Stalkers no? Also, for Deep Mind, the whole point that they wanted to play starcraft as the next game was because they wanted to see what a bot would do with limited information (unlike chess and go where all knowledge is always fully known). I don't know if this bot is using its own screen or knowing all information (like the brood war bots were impossible to hide from and Deep Mind is going to limit the information to things it only know and not use info in the fog of war). I thought this knew when Dendi stopped blocking before he could actually see it

that's a good point, what info does the bot work with

It seemed like PPD was saying it knew dendi stopped blocking and started to let the creeps go as well. If that's true, it's working with map hacks
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
August 11 2017 23:58 GMT
#1117
Bots will have some clear advantages like being able to balance pixel perfect on the tower aggro range, cast exactly max range razes, target razes exactly central on the enemy. A human can have better decision making and has to win that way somehow.
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 11 2017 23:59 GMT
#1118
I'd rather have seen bot vs bot over a 2nd Dendi game, they proved the point pretty well the first go around...

Once again I like AI but the whole point of gaming is the human interaction, not static problem-solving... I don't think this warranted all the hype everyone was giving it like it was gonna be something that would bowl over everyone

At least there's still the special somethingsomething at the end of the day, maybe they have something there
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 23:59:21
August 11 2017 23:59 GMT
#1119
On August 12 2017 08:56 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:52 Orome wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Even if you don't block at all. He hits lvl2 and then just harasses you down with raze and stronger right click.


Yeah. One interesting thing is that he did miss several cs. I wonder what the reason for that is. Seems unlikely it just can't CS perfectly, that should be one of the easier things.

It prioritizes other things over perfect cs


But it wasn't not going for CS in favour of right-clicking more, it was hitting the creep and barely not getting the CS. Now that I think about it, it's likely just due to dmg variability. When playing vs itself, it can't wait for the safe threshold, it has to go for the percentage CS.

Oh ok, yeah that makes sense for these scenarios i guess
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 11 2017 23:59 GMT
#1120
On August 12 2017 08:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2017 08:54 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:52 Orome wrote:
On August 12 2017 08:49 wuhan_clan wrote:
Even if you don't block at all. He hits lvl2 and then just harasses you down with raze and stronger right click.


Yeah. One interesting thing is that he did miss several cs. I wonder what the reason for that is. Seems unlikely it just can't CS perfectly, that should be one of the easier things.

It prioritizes other things over perfect cs

Yeah, looks like they coded killing enemy hero into it as the win condition so it prioritizes killing the player to the point of tower dives.

Nah i don't think so, it simply "knows" from playing against each other countless of times that it's more likely to win if it doesn't cs at that specific time

Or as Orome guessed it simply goes for CS that only works on higher damage roll to not get denied.
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