EPT[Summit 5] Championship Sunday - Page 20
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cchriss
United States912 Posts
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
there isnt a single T1 team there >_< secret and eg are not T1 :-) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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ch33psh33p
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On July 18 2016 10:19 ch33psh33p wrote: Wings draft 20 different heroes in 4 games and come out looking like they played a pub, and people still think OG were the ones saving strats. Wings plays ARDM mode in this tournament. They picked 15 different heroes in the Bo3 against liquid too. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 18 2016 09:48 mutantmagnet wrote: Single tournament...ok Hopefully Wings finally get a sponsor who supplies them with good uniforms. what the hell man them uniforms are the only things that make me support the boys :D don't take it away please | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On July 18 2016 09:46 uriel- wrote: No Chinese TI representation I think? The chinese team there is CDEC.Y IIRC CDEC.Y looks promising during NYC last week though | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On July 18 2016 11:57 Vertical wrote: CDEC.Y looks promising during NYC last week though Ame is considered as the best young carry player in China. But the team is lacking some leadership. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 18 2016 16:45 Pandemona wrote: Wings so good, have to be considered the best team out there right now. Comfortably beat Newbee for fun too in China, can anyone stop them!? Won 1 event after a terrible Manilla Major. Suddenly best team in the world. #JustDotA2Logic | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
On July 18 2016 16:46 Otolia wrote: Won 1 event after a terrible Manilla Major. Suddenly best team in the world. #JustDotA2Logic They have been dominating the online Chinese scene, won Manila ESL to then win this tournament without breaking a sweat. Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them. Newbee lately seem to struggle vs them and no one else in China looks as good. You can't look beyond them im afraid. Unless you're a "saving strats" kinda guy  | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 18 2016 17:00 Pandemona wrote: They have been dominating the online Chinese scene, won Manila ESL to then win this tournament without breaking a sweat. Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them. Newbee lately seem to struggle vs them and no one else in China looks as good. You can't look beyond them im afraid. Unless you're a "saving strats" kinda guy DC and Complexity Liquid and OG can beat them, same for Newbee. It's like you have forgotten how dominant Secret for TI5 were looking and how they got trashed in TI6. Wings play well, very dynamically and they have a vast hero pool. But they're overly reliant on smoke in the midgame and have a tendencies to think they are a bulldozer. Plus they have the worst mindset of all the top teams (TL, OG, NB) mostly because they're young. And just so we're clear, I'll take any sigbet you want that Wings won't be top 2 in TI6. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
So we shall see, but i don't get how you can't say Wings isn't favorites after what they doing. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On July 18 2016 17:00 Pandemona wrote: They have been dominating the online Chinese scene, won Manila ESL to then win this tournament without breaking a sweat. Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them. Newbee lately seem to struggle vs them and no one else in China looks as good. You can't look beyond them im afraid. Unless you're a "saving strats" kinda guy I haven't followed Chinese online games recently but from looking at results I don't really see how Wings have been dominating online. They didn't qualify for SL and were 4th in DPL, though of course the scene is quite competitive there atm so it's hard to win everything. And just a week ago Newbee beat them in the finals of Nanyang. Based on results putting them as a clear #1 is really based only on this Summit. Imo the biggest favorite for TI is atm OG. They have shown that they can win tournaments of that size now twice, and their recent performance has been very good even if Wings beat them here. And later this week I guess we'll get some indication of whether EG and Secret are going to be in the running or not, but even if one of them wins SL it's hard to put them as the top favorites because none of the current top4 is present there. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On July 18 2016 17:30 Pandemona wrote: Favorites don't have to win everything, there is upsets, the last favorite to win a TI was? Alliance in 2013 i guess? The way wings have beaten OG 5 and 1 over the last two days, Liquid looking a bit lost in some games and everyone else not looking very good it points towards Wings being the deserved favorites. Or it is going to be an extremely open TI6 as everyone can beat everyone. So we shall see, but i don't get how you can't say Wings isn't favorites after what they doing. They are among the favorites of course, clearly among the top 4 teams based on quality of play and results alone. But I would not declare them the indubitable best just after one event since Manilla was a complete disaster for them. Especially one where western teams have fun with the pool and chinese teams have noone to talk to except themselves - due to the natural language barrier. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
I can't see how people can call OG favorite as for large parts of this TI5 > TI6 season/run they have been out of it, literally hadn't won a game on one of the patches post frankfurt?. Went from Frankfurt major winning to not even placing well for 6 months! To then finally get it together with no one really noticing them until they won it at Manila Major? That is why for me the difference between OG and Wings for example as favorite heads towards Wings due to they have beaten them 5 out of 6 times or in 2 series recently. Both of them are in form in the last few weeks and lans but Wings have soundly beaten OG. Lets wait for TL Power Rank On July 18 2016 18:03 Otolia wrote: They are among the favorites of course, clearly among the top 4 teams based on quality of play and results alone. But I would not declare them the indubitable best just after one event since Manilla was a complete disaster for them. Especially one where western teams have fun with the pool and chinese teams have noone to talk to except themselves - due to the natural language barrier. True, but it isn't just one Lan was placing well in NanYang too, however surely if the top 4 are; NewBee Wings TL OG right now, surely its NewBee > Wings > OG > TL in terms of who has beaten who very recently? At least on very recent games. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On July 18 2016 18:11 Pandemona wrote: I can't see how people can call OG favorite as for large parts of this TI5 > TI6 season/run they have been out of it, literally hadn't won a game on one of the patches post frankfurt?. Went from Frankfurt major winning to not even placing well for 6 months! To then finally get it together with no one really noticing them until they won it at Manila Major? That is why for me the difference between OG and Wings for example as favorite heads towards Wings due to they have beaten them 5 out of 6 times or in 2 series recently. Both of them are in form in the last few weeks and lans but Wings have soundly beaten OG. Wings didn't qualify for the first 2 majors and placed last in the 3rd one and Newbee in their current form didn't exist before Shanghai and outside of Kaka none of the players individually had noteworthy results post TI5. I don't think you can use that argument against OG who've won 2 out of the 3 majors and have quite a few good placings in 3rd party events too around the year. You are overstating quite heavily their downfall post Frankfurt, as after the patch changed they still placed 3rd at MarsTV before Shanghai and went in as one of the favorites. They had some disappointing finishes at Shanghai and after it but then they again placed 3rd at Epicenter and won Dreamleague convincingly (over slightly lesser teams), and they were one of the favorites going into Manila. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Anyway, yeah i know your point about OG and i agree with the Wings Comparison but the gap between Frankfurt > Shanghai was pretty big but still Wings now as well as OG since Manila have been very impressive, at different events but with Wings then beating them 5 out of 6 games is pretty impressive and you would expect Wings might have found OGs number. Anyway, moving on! OG Wings Newbee are defo top 3 into that event, can't discount Liquid of course, then MVP Phoenix and NaVi must be contenders for top 6. Then you add in LGD with their resurgence, then a random EG and Secret probably deserve top 8 ranking depending on what happens in StarLadder too i guess. However i do believe this is going to be the most open of all TIs for a while. I was just saying i think Wings should be bookmakers favorites is all or at least 2nd behind Newbee | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 19:47 Pandemona wrote: DreamLeague doesn't count or you would have to used EG winning Captains Draft as a major title etc. Anyway, yeah i know your point about OG and i agree with the Wings Comparison but the gap between Frankfurt > Shanghai was pretty big but still Wings now as well as OG since Manila have been very impressive, at different events but with Wings then beating them 5 out of 6 games is pretty impressive and you would expect Wings might have found OGs number. Anyway, moving on! OG Wings Newbee are defo top 3 into that event, can't discount Liquid of course, then MVP Phoenix and NaVi must be contenders for top 6. Then you add in LGD with their resurgence, then a random EG and Secret probably deserve top 8 ranking depending on what happens in StarLadder too i guess. However i do believe this is going to be the most open of all TIs for a while. I was just saying i think Wings should be bookmakers favorites is all or at least 2nd behind Newbee OG is the clear favorite, they have more strat diversity than anyone, consistency and versatility, that's not even close. They lost one tournament to liquid and since then liquid looked helpless against them.Then it's a tie between newbee/wings/liquid. Most of the other teams should still be able to take a dark horse role or even role for favorite depending on the first phase results. The team I would really like to see wings face is EG, they're the best at cutting their losses, slowing the tempo and grinding their way back with superior map movements, that's assuming EG is great again though. I'll be rooting for wings, and as you're a staff memebr I'm begging for a wings flair, do it with their shirts logo, easier to do and way better than their ingame logo. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
they just go pure superman vs Kyrptonite etc :DBut anyway, i think we are all agreed there is 4 teams in with a shout as "favorites" due to how well they have been playing the last 2-3 months or 4-5 LANS and then you have other teams like MVP Phoenix/LGD who can turn up and of course Secret and EG waiting to potentially flex their muscles at the big prize. I hope it is going to be as open as i think it will be and have many many surprises because thats what we want :D good exciting dota where nothing is pre determined before hand. @Wings Flair, im working on it! Watch this space | ||
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