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[Summit 5] Championship Sunday
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Poll: Summit 5 Winner Wings Gaming (35) OG (27) Team Liquid (13) 75 total votes Your vote: Summit 5 Winner | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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jmpy
Germany6 Posts
 , head thinks OG | ||
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ch33psh33p
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Procake
3803 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Source: Azarkon. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
There's no point in having two people that not only have zero game insight but also zero charisma You're just setting yourself up for a residentsleeper everywhere. User was warned for this post | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:09 LemOn wrote: Who's the girl? Can't decide if she's weirdly hot or just weird or if I'm a chauvinistic pig Regardless of her appearance, you're a pig. | ||
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Vxed
Norway239 Posts
Who's the girl? Can't decide if she's weirdly hot or just weird or if I'm a chauvinistic pig A healthy mix of the 3 options for me. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
OD welcome back. | ||
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:09 LemOn wrote: Who's the girl? Can't decide if she's weirdly hot or just weird or if I'm a chauvinistic pig She looks fine. Could probably make herself look better tbh, but I'd downplay my looks too if I was trapped in house comprised of 90% males. | ||
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Thetwinmasters
3578 Posts
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:19 dutchfriese wrote: She looks fine. Could probably make herself look better tbh, but I'd downplay my looks too if I was trapped in house comprised of 90% males. More like 95%. Also, liquid's draft is very similar to draft DC had against liquid running drow. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:15 ch33psh33p wrote: I believe OG have won this game I was thinking the same thing after that drow+wisp pick. Still, both teams are definitely trying out shit now. Kuroky obviously just wants to practice his clockwerk some more. Edit: and it looks like he needs the practice LOL | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:21 Thetwinmasters wrote: Damn seemed like a perfect huskar draft for OG OD feasts on cold embraced targets. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:21 mutantmagnet wrote: Thank you China for exporting the new Queen of this meta. The only Queen here is on the losing side of this game. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17237 Posts
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
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wims80
1892 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:33 CrazyBirdman wrote: I don't really get how you give away Drow, Io and Beastmaster. Especially to OG. two words, both being with an S | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:31 hunter_x wrote: liquid got outdrafted so hard... Yeah, not first banning drow when you're second pick does this now. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Choke City? What, C sounds like S to me. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
Edit: Lel, was that 3 hits to kill the full health invoker? | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
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maze.
Germany1392 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:37 maze. wrote: So this is what wings would look like without the throws. Hoho haha. | ||
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:37 maze. wrote: So this is what wings would look like without the throws. Remember TI4 VG? | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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dutchfriese
2554 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:37 maze. wrote: So this is what wings would look like without the throws. maybe. Liquid's draft is pretty dog shit though, and OG do have wisp and BM. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Pyrthas
United States3196 Posts
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Latham
9558 Posts
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Xurr
Germany313 Posts
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wims80
1892 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17237 Posts
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
On July 18 2016 02:42 Xurr wrote: Good time for the 5 man push meta to come back...sigh 4 long cd heroes has been out of the meta for quite awhile, so it's pretty hard to gauge the actual strength of whatever their opponents picked that wasn't out of the meta drow wisp oracle bm is pretty sick tho; i feel like miracle couldve played any core hero and won | ||
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Daaktard
Sweden380 Posts
I definitely did not agree with Liquids draft at all there. They had like one big burst in teamfights and if that didn't work they had nothing for 2 minutes till the next ravage | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Unwinnable lane | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
some people are just meant to stay in the background | ||
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Moobutt
United States1995 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
While OG gets the game-winning drafts thus far. OG 3- 0 Wings , hello Azarkon. | ||
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Beaza
Germany203 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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wims80
1892 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:09 Kreb wrote: Kuroky just picks whatever he wants as pos 4. Honestly it seems theyre experimenting for TI or something. Kuro's drafting greed seems like a huge liability for Liquid | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:19 wims80 wrote: Kuro's drafting greed seems like a huge liability for Liquid He drafted those shitty farming 4 all the time before, when they failed to qualify for frankfurt and were a tier 2 team. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:28 Daray wrote: That's game i guess. Liquid struggle against OG is real. Too soon. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
Liquids heroes don't win against OG from this position. I mean everything is possible but OG need to do some serious 322. edit. I guess that'll do it | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:39 Daray wrote: Liquids heroes don't win against OG from this position. I mean everything is possible but OG need to do some serious 322. i mean og just lost so | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:45 lolfail9001 wrote: Talking about 322, my wi-fi went to shit, what happened? liquid dived t4, og wasn't ready og died | ||
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1nobody
Czech Republic2040 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:11 a_flayer wrote: Well this is over. yes it is haha | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
I can't tell you how often I've called GG in my games and end up winning ^^ Its gg when we dont get both runes man. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
On July 18 2016 03:46 a_flayer wrote: I can't tell you how often I've called GG in my games and end up winning ^^ Its gg when we dont get both runes man. yeah i know that shit too well myself;) to be fair it looked pretty grim for liquid the first 20 min, but they got their shit together | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:08 Daray wrote: I have a bad feeling that Kuro forgot about AA completely O_o Despite the fact that it's already been drafted? LOL @ the dazzle pick I suppose it can be pretty hard to land those AA blasts, and the dazzle w and/or shadow demon can still save them from shattering. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:10 a_flayer wrote: Despite the fact that it's already been drafted? LOL @ the dazzle pick I suppose it can be pretty hard to land those AA blasts, and the dazzle w and/or shadow demon can still save them from shattering. What? He picked Huskar, OG picked AA and Kuro used almost all his time and picked dazzle... | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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Latham
9558 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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Elurie
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Moobutt
United States1995 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
Not banning the 5th hero, using the smoke without leaving the base... Missing the runes. Haha. Its over guys. Again. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
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Wineandbread
United States2065 Posts
I don't think the combo with dazzle is enough to fight OG's lineup That and moon playing really well | ||
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Moobutt
United States1995 Posts
Especially against OG's lineup, they're just gonna start eating towers | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Devious. | ||
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Moobutt
United States1995 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:21 RuiBarbO wrote: I've been out of the loop for a while, are we worried for liquid when Huskar dies 3 times during laning phase? Huskar as carry is good because ~6 min armlet. Let's you farm jungle instead of lane, let's you gank, let's you survive gank. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1995 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Rofl how the fuck did OG lose this fight? All was going well until SD disrupted TB, his illusions did so much work xD Got tired of his own illusions apparentlyy, straight diffusal afterwards xD | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:36 Kreb wrote: Huskar is hardcountered this game but Timber can probably solo carry. So is TB to be honest. Timber-SD-Void is as anti-TB as you can get. Picking TB into void-SD seems so weird to me. There had to be better options than him, especially when with AA you don't need amazing physical damage to deal with Huskar/dazzle. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Not bad | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32739 Posts
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Moobutt
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bLzPostman
New Zealand82 Posts
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Latham
9558 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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Latham
9558 Posts
On July 18 2016 04:58 SFDuality wrote: Everyone's been pretty much the same net worth for 10 minutes. It's good for OG that husk's items aren't progressing. But AA desperately needs that agh's. | ||
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Xafnia
Canada874 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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wims80
1892 Posts
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Moobutt
United States1995 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:02 Moobutt wrote: I think OG have basically leveled out on power spikes compared to the items Liquid's cores can still pick up. If they ever do. Huskar and Void just aren't getting any richer. And Huskar is just so useless in fights. Best case scenario he bursts down a non-TB hero and then dies. More likely he just dies without doing anything. | ||
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Latham
9558 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Zea!
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
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sirreginold
United States557 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
i dont want to be the second best team... | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:10 Zea! wrote: Liquid can't beat OG After stomping them so hard at Epicenter tho. | ||
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Latham
9558 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:11 hunter_x wrote: why cant we beat fucking og? so frustrating!!! i dont want to be the second best team... inb4 wings 3 0 OG. Nah, just kidding, wings to choke, OG are Team Secret-ing it! | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:10 sirreginold wrote: what's up with this timber walking into those iceblasts? dazzle is dead there is no way a timber is going to save him. To be fair to him, why would they even waste an Ice Blast on solo Dazzle? | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:11 hunter_x wrote: why cant we beat fucking og? so frustrating!!! i dont want to be the second best team... Maybe ban Axe next time. Also, holy crap Dendi's ankles are so thin, how does he stand at all?! | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Provocateur
Sweden1665 Posts
Liquid looked so good in the midgame | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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cchriss
United States912 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:12 WolfintheSheep wrote: To be fair to him, why would they even waste an Ice Blast on solo Dazzle? Because Dazzle is really important to Liquids teamfight and it's a low CD spell. | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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TheEmulator
28084 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
im fucking dead | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:11 hunter_x wrote: why cant we beat fucking og? so frustrating!!! i dont want to be the second best team... The relationship between Liquid and OG looks more and more like C9-EG or EG-old Secret. Liquid looks equal and sometimes better than OG against other teams but draws the short straw almost every time they meet head to head. Must be frustrating. | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:14 cchriss wrote: Did they just run out of time when they were thinking about 5th ban or what? yes they did, for whatever reason, but whatever now | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:19 Diavlo wrote: The relationship between Liquid and OG looks more and more like C9-EG or EG-old Secret. Liquid looks equal and sometimes better than OG against other teams but draws the short straw almost every time they meet head to head. Must be frustrating. for me personally it's actually amusing how they fail time and time again in winnable situations to boot  | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:14 cchriss wrote: Did they just run out of time when they were thinking about 5th ban or what? Yeah. If they had banned Axe at least the game might have gone better. He had so many dunks through grave, and Huskar couldn't hit him at all because of blade mail. | ||
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TosHReloadeD
Peru32 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:23 ch33psh33p wrote: Don't worry guys I'm sure Liquid were just saving strats. no doubt about that :D | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:31 Verniy wrote: merlini has the smoothest legs ever shaving strats revealed ) | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
so I feel Wings has the advantage going into this. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:37 Emnjay808 wrote: I legitimately think OG will be saving strats for TI6 (not joking). so I feel Wings has the advantage going into this. wings will be saving even more strats and still win we haven't seen a single "real" wings strat this tournament yet. in fact we havne't seen a "real" wings strat since post Shanghai. They've been playing the long game. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:39 ch33psh33p wrote: wings will be saving even more strats and still win we haven't seen a single "real" wings strat this tournament yet. in fact we havne't seen a "real" wings strat since post Shanghai. They've been playing the long game. I thought that was Secret | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
Trixi-senpai =( | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:39 ch33psh33p wrote: wings will be saving even more strats and still win we haven't seen a single "real" wings strat this tournament yet. in fact we havne't seen a "real" wings strat since post Shanghai. They've been playing the long game. Why you're so mad about people saying players are saving strats? Besides we say they're experimenting, not saving strats, which is a bit different. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:43 nojok wrote: Why you're so mad about people saying players are saving strats? Besides we say they're experimenting, not saving strats, which is a bit different. if you honestly think "experimenting" and "saving strats" are any different from each other, you're adorable they're both retarded memes people have run into the ground as a way to justify when their team plays like shit and loses. Thats all there is to it. You're a disgrace and insulting your own team when you insinuate that they're taking their livelihood as a joke by "experimenting" or "saving strats". No professional deserves to be insulted on that level. I garuntee you if you ask any liquid player if they were actually saving strats, experimenting, or messing around in a professional game against another tier 1 team, they'd laugh in your face and tell you to fuck off. | ||
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:45 ch33psh33p wrote: I garuntee you if you ask any liquid player if they were actually saving strats, experimenting, or messing around in a professional game against another tier 1 team, they'd laugh in your face and tell you to fuck off. i feel like you're projecting your total lack of diplomatic faculties | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:22 TosHReloadeD wrote: This matubaman is a hit or miss guy, sometimes he plays very good, but sometimes he feeds a lot. Not really his fault this game. He was playing as well as he could, staying away from the fight when someone gets called to dodge the Ice Blast followup, backing away from the Axe when he popped blade mail, etc. Huskar was just a useless hero this game. OG's lineup just hard-countered him big time. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:47 kapibara-san wrote: i feel like you're projecting your total lack of diplomatic faculties another strat saving apologist sigh i mean just look at this thread the og "strat savers" and "experimenters" are already posting in this thread before game 1 has been played thats how sad it is. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
no im actually just saying you're silly to suggest liquid members would lack the tact to let someone down with something lighter than a laugh in the face and a "fuck off" so angry... | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
Jesus fucking christ. It's like your favorite team cannot possibly play bad. Anytime they lose --> assume saving strats or experimenting. | ||
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kapibara-san
Japan415 Posts
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Tegenaria
France379 Posts
my steam is lagging as hell since few days even in low quality... If someone has a clue to resolve this before the final begin it would be great | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:45 ch33psh33p wrote: if you honestly think "experimenting" and "saving strats" are any different from each other, you're adorable they're both retarded memes people have run into the ground as a way to justify when their team plays like shit and loses. Thats all there is to it. You're a disgrace and insulting your own team when you insinuate that they're taking their livelihood as a joke by "experimenting" or "saving strats". No professional deserves to be insulted on that level. I garuntee you if you ask any liquid player if they were actually saving strats, experimenting, or messing around in a professional game against another tier 1 team, they'd laugh in your face and tell you to fuck off. You're rude and ignorant. I guess you have no experience following any sport, it has to be the most common practice to sack some lesser games/tournaments to be ready for the big ones. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:53 Tegenaria wrote: hey guys, my steam is lagging as hell since few days even in low quality... If someone has a clue to resolve this before the final begin it would be great same problem | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:51 ch33psh33p wrote: The really sad part is I guarantee you even DURING TI6 the same people will still be posting "X team must be saving strats or experimenting" as if it validates their loss somehow Jesus fucking christ. It's like your favorite team cannot possibly play bad. Anytime they lose --> assume saving strats or experimenting. It has happened during TI2 and TI3 but I don't recall anyone doing that since then. | ||
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 18 2016 05:48 SFDuality wrote: Not really his fault this game. He was playing as well as he could, staying away from the fight when someone gets called to dodge the Ice Blast followup, backing away from the Axe when he popped blade mail, etc. Huskar was just a useless hero this game. OG's lineup just hard-countered him big time. I guess it's also not his fault getting sundered because he is just standing near TB for no apparent reason and then get chopped by Axe, jup jup, he could really have played it better even though he was countered... | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Tegenaria
France379 Posts
i try some advice found on the internet but no one is working... lets watch it with lag or wait VOD | ||
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cchriss
United States912 Posts
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Nikto
Slovakia410 Posts
On July 18 2016 06:24 ch33psh33p wrote: So when OG loses with Drow of all heroes, are they still saving strats? Or is experimenting the new apologist meme. you really should go out and chill for a bit | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
I was hoping the loser of OG vs Liquid would cast =| | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 06:37 Nyan wrote: casting wise it this summit has been a letdown. I was hoping the loser of OG vs Liquid would cast =| LD is hiding casts for TI. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On July 18 2016 06:37 Nyan wrote: casting wise it this summit has been a letdown. I was hoping the loser of OG vs Liquid would cast =| Probably kinda bummed out they lost. Also: OG not playing around, wow. | ||
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Unless you are cyclists, models dont even all shave their legs | ||
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On July 18 2016 06:51 BurningSera wrote: what is this every guys shave their legs lol Unless you are cyclists, models dont even all shave their legs Why do you care though? lol | ||
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On July 18 2016 06:50 cchriss wrote: I don't understand how wings didn't ban drow. Western teams did not usually first pick it until this tourney, they could give it a try I guess and as China is already all about first picking drow they may have thought they were prepared to deal with it. | ||
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On July 18 2016 06:53 nojok wrote: Western teams did not usually first pick it until this tourney, they could give it a try I guess and as China is already all about first picking drow they may have thought they were prepared to deal with it. Yeah I guess that makes sense and I would see wings not banning it against any other western teams, but against OG I wanted to see a drow ban. I guess from now on whoever has 2nd pick will ban drow. | ||
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just weird for my eyes, too shiny *_* wings can do this ffs | ||
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Edit: GG, haha. I'm calling 3-0 now. | ||
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On July 18 2016 07:13 BobMcJohnson wrote: this draft is straight out of NEL 2013, NA dota years ahead of the curve once againUndying ! Experimentation ! | ||
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On July 18 2016 07:35 uriel- wrote: Glad we have a series, love me some good dota i would like to not see huskar or drow in the next game tho | ||
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On July 18 2016 07:36 Tegenaria wrote: i would like to not see huskar or drow in the next game tho Drow's a turd for sure but this game has been really exciting at least IMO | ||
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Don't count short Wings and their midgame play to "hurr undying draft" | ||
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Kuroky was MVP this game though, and we'll get nahaz at TI | ||
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They made the strangest group decision having tinker rotate bottom with wisp. They spent too much time killing 2 heroes and allowed Invoker to destroy mid tower. That tower loss lead to both of Tinker's deaths. Wings executed flawlessly of that mistake and made them look like scrubs. | ||
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What are og thinking? | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:08 Emnjay808 wrote: Wings now have one less strat to take to TI6. Win the battle lose the war. What strat Liquid has been using this type of draft fir like a million years  Just a solid counter to OG's wacky shit | ||
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OG's back | ||
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forgot about AM | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:18 plasmidghost wrote: This cast is so boring, I'm gonna watch Smash instead Blashpemy! It's Kuro casting, you can watch smash porn any time, but this comes once per year only! | ||
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AM too big | ||
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or saving strats | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:27 Azarkon wrote: Decisions still as bad as ever when not able to win team fights due to pick. You're talking about OG, right? lelz | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:38 TomatoBisque wrote: so was Moon just trying something new with airball chrono there? or saving strats gotta be saving a great team like OG wouldn't make bad plays like that. They just don't want you to know how they're ACTUALLY going to use chrono for ti6 | ||
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As Kuroky said, the pick were against them from the start. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:40 wims80 wrote: The lower bracket disadvantage seems huge as always They were saving winner bracket strats, so they went to losers. That way when OG makes their TI6 WB run, nobody will know whats going on. I heard thats how it works. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:40 Azarkon wrote: As Kuroky said, the pick were against them from the start. When are westerners going to learn to draft, A-god? | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:41 TomatoBisque wrote: When are westerners going to learn to draft, A-god? During the international. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:38 Azarkon wrote: Mistakes were made. Two individual mistakes which were huge. Draft mistakes were made. AM just too good vs Storm and Gyro. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:38 TomatoBisque wrote: so was Moon just trying something new with airball chrono there? or saving strats Obviously saving game-winning chronos for TI6... come on man, get with the program. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:43 the bear jew wrote: Draft mistakes were made. AM just too good vs Storm and Gyro. That too, but they could've win without other mistakes because the other team made big mistakes before that. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:43 Nyan wrote: saving strats meme is the worst. everyone using that should just be banned theyre just saving the good memes for TI6 | ||
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ch33psh33p
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gahahaha this is perfect | ||
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nojok
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You took this "you know for sure who's going to win" too literally, everyone get this ad you know? | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:48 Emnjay808 wrote: I meant the "saving strats" thing seriously at first. I didn't realize how triggered some guys would get lol. Regardless the better team will win this series for sure. pretty sure "saving strat" means losing low prize tournament but win TI | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:51 uriel- wrote: I mean, it's a hard concept to grasp but there's actually a middle ground between "show everything you have and go all in 100%" and "literally no fucks given" Memers gotta meme though only because the people who actually believe a team lost because they were "saving strats" seriously ran it into the ground first. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:50 sunrazgriz wrote: pretty sure "saving strat" means losing low prize tournament but win TI Or just trying new stuff like first pick morph and 2nd pick storm no AM ban both times, I doubt we'll see that kind of stuff from them at TI. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:48 Emnjay808 wrote: I meant the "saving strats" thing seriously at first. I didn't realize how triggered some guys would get lol. Regardless the better team will win this series for sure. Most of the teams actually are "saving strats", as we've really not seen any pocket-picks in elimination matches. Everyone but Wings has stayed roughly in the meta as it was coming into this tournament. But what shows up in the games is that the Meta isn't shifting in-tournament, so teams are still trying to win. It just looks like they're not giving it their best/pull out all of the tricks. Which is part of what made The Summit 4 such a dang good tournament, as it was played a week before 6.86 dropped. So we got to see everyone's best ideas, and it made for some really good Dota. The Summit 5 has been a lot more "meh" and "who can throw last?" Dota. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:54 Taf the Ghost wrote: Most of the teams actually are "saving strats", as we've really not seen any pocket-picks in elimination matches. Everyone but Wings has stayed roughly in the meta as it was coming into this tournament. But what shows up in the games is that the Meta isn't shifting in-tournament, so teams are still trying to win. It just looks like they're not giving it their best/pull out all of the tricks. Which is part of what made The Summit 4 such a dang good tournament, as it was played a week before 6.86 dropped. So we got to see everyone's best ideas, and it made for some really good Dota. The Summit 5 has been a lot more "meh" and "who can throw last?" Dota. Drow climbed the pick/ban ladder really high as this trend was not so pronounced in the West before the tournament, that's already a small meta shift. | ||
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On July 18 2016 08:57 nojok wrote: Drow climbed the pick/ban ladder really high as this trend was not so pronounced in the West before the tournament, that's already a small meta shift. Well, we had a sort-of International LAN last week, and Drow was the king there. Though the fact it was 5 Chinese teams just mean the Chinese meta was in. Though DC was the ones to finally do the most logical thing with first-pick Drow: Mid Medusa. If Drow goes into TI6 as still a phase 1 pick, we'll see a lot better drafting around it. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:05 wims80 wrote: I dont understand Wings draft Can you run at people super early? If Yes, then it's something Wings will draft. Wings vs MVP.P could be a really epic series. The counter-punish stuff would be fun to watch. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:05 wims80 wrote: I dont understand Wings draft That's pretty much the point lol. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:11 cchriss wrote: Both offlaners having a feeding competition. Need to buff iron talon. | ||
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Wings tosses out some odd combinations, but if you analyze them, they make sense. Wings is the anti-LGD. They're really bad at holding high-ground, so they never draft that way. They want to win the laning early and be very aggressive. But they're also not a team to draft true snowballing Cores. (If they did, they'd lose a whole lot more.) It makes sense what they're doing, but at the "major" tournaments, they're going to come out weaker. When the teams are really well prepared, they can play against Wings and not get caught off guard. Because of the way Wings play, they're about the worst type of team to face in a Bo1 situation with low prep-time. But, once you get into a really delayed, situation like the Major/TI, that advantage can be removed. They're a tier 1 team these days, but they'll always just be a wild-card. | ||
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Like, huskar doesn't give a fuck about your untouchable tbh. EDIT: there you go D | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:16 Taf the Ghost wrote: Wings tosses out some odd combinations, but if you analyze them, they make sense. Wings is the anti-LGD. They're really bad at holding high-ground, so they never draft that way. They want to win the laning early and be very aggressive. But they're also not a team to draft true snowballing Cores. (If they did, they'd lose a whole lot more.) It makes sense what they're doing, but at the "major" tournaments, they're going to come out weaker. When the teams are really well prepared, they can play against Wings and not get caught off guard. Because of the way Wings play, they're about the worst type of team to face in a Bo1 situation with low prep-time. But, once you get into a really delayed, situation like the Major/TI, that advantage can be removed. They're a tier 1 team these days, but they'll always just be a wild-card. this is such a laughably bad representation of how wings play. | ||
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nojok
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On July 18 2016 09:16 Taf the Ghost wrote: Wings tosses out some odd combinations, but if you analyze them, they make sense. Wings is the anti-LGD. They're really bad at holding high-ground, so they never draft that way. They want to win the laning early and be very aggressive. But they're also not a team to draft true snowballing Cores. (If they did, they'd lose a whole lot more.) It makes sense what they're doing, but at the "major" tournaments, they're going to come out weaker. When the teams are really well prepared, they can play against Wings and not get caught off guard. Because of the way Wings play, they're about the worst type of team to face in a Bo1 situation with low prep-time. But, once you get into a really delayed, situation like the Major/TI, that advantage can be removed. They're a tier 1 team these days, but they'll always just be a wild-card. None of those guys have played at a single TI, give them some time, their results are more than promising. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:23 Azarkon wrote: Does OG just want this day to be over? I agree, this is not how they usually play. Yeah OG just doesn't want that extra 25k that's why they're losing. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:27 Thetwinmasters wrote: Yeah OG just doesn't want that extra 25k that's why they're losing. Yes. This is obvious to all OG fans. | ||
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Does saving strats also involve forgetting to team fight properly? Or can we finally come around and admit Wings is just the better team? | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:30 HammerKick wrote: And this is where OG chokes. Or Notail keeps giving away terrible position kills. | ||
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Do they look like they gave it 100% at all? Thats the most casual "well I guess we won" whatever look you have ever seen. They gave no fucks, played the most casual random wtf dota possible, and beat every Tier 1 team in this tournament repeatedly. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:42 Azarkon wrote: Well, that's that, last tournament with international teams from all regions before the international. Anything we can take away from it? I guess people will say China will win 2016 now, lelz. Even year, China wins ez prediction | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:32 ch33psh33p wrote: Wings gaming. Does saving strats also involve forgetting to team fight properly? Or can we finally come around and admit Wings is just the better team? A single tournament is not enough information to claim anything like that. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:42 Azarkon wrote: Well, that's that, last tournament with international teams from all regions before the international. Anything we can take away from it? I guess people will say China will win 2016 now, lelz. Starladder? That's this weekend and it's got international teams (including EG and Secret). | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:45 MetalMercury wrote: Starladder? That's this weekend and it's got international teams (including EG and Secret). No Chinese TI representation I think? The chinese team there is CDEC.Y IIRC | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:45 MetalMercury wrote: A single tournament is not enough information to claim anything like that. Single tournament...ok Hopefully Wings finally get a sponsor who supplies them with good uniforms. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:48 mutantmagnet wrote: Single tournament...ok Hopefully Wings finally get a sponsor who supplies them with good uniforms. I hope not, those Thsirts are hilarious even if they lack some zippers on the side. | ||
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Apparently SL is summit 5.5 or something? I love how terrible they are with information. Can't wait to see the bois play tho. | ||
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there isnt a single T1 team there >_< secret and eg are not T1 :-) | ||
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On July 18 2016 10:19 ch33psh33p wrote: Wings draft 20 different heroes in 4 games and come out looking like they played a pub, and people still think OG were the ones saving strats. Wings plays ARDM mode in this tournament. They picked 15 different heroes in the Bo3 against liquid too. | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:48 mutantmagnet wrote: Single tournament...ok Hopefully Wings finally get a sponsor who supplies them with good uniforms. what the hell man them uniforms are the only things that make me support the boys :D don't take it away please | ||
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On July 18 2016 09:46 uriel- wrote: No Chinese TI representation I think? The chinese team there is CDEC.Y IIRC CDEC.Y looks promising during NYC last week though | ||
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On July 18 2016 11:57 Vertical wrote: CDEC.Y looks promising during NYC last week though Ame is considered as the best young carry player in China. But the team is lacking some leadership. | ||
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On July 18 2016 16:45 Pandemona wrote: Wings so good, have to be considered the best team out there right now. Comfortably beat Newbee for fun too in China, can anyone stop them!? Won 1 event after a terrible Manilla Major. Suddenly best team in the world. #JustDotA2Logic | ||
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On July 18 2016 16:46 Otolia wrote: Won 1 event after a terrible Manilla Major. Suddenly best team in the world. #JustDotA2Logic They have been dominating the online Chinese scene, won Manila ESL to then win this tournament without breaking a sweat. Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them. Newbee lately seem to struggle vs them and no one else in China looks as good. You can't look beyond them im afraid. Unless you're a "saving strats" kinda guy  | ||
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On July 18 2016 17:00 Pandemona wrote: They have been dominating the online Chinese scene, won Manila ESL to then win this tournament without breaking a sweat. Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them. Newbee lately seem to struggle vs them and no one else in China looks as good. You can't look beyond them im afraid. Unless you're a "saving strats" kinda guy DC and Complexity Liquid and OG can beat them, same for Newbee. It's like you have forgotten how dominant Secret for TI5 were looking and how they got trashed in TI6. Wings play well, very dynamically and they have a vast hero pool. But they're overly reliant on smoke in the midgame and have a tendencies to think they are a bulldozer. Plus they have the worst mindset of all the top teams (TL, OG, NB) mostly because they're young. And just so we're clear, I'll take any sigbet you want that Wings won't be top 2 in TI6. | ||
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So we shall see, but i don't get how you can't say Wings isn't favorites after what they doing. | ||
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On July 18 2016 17:00 Pandemona wrote: They have been dominating the online Chinese scene, won Manila ESL to then win this tournament without breaking a sweat. Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them. Newbee lately seem to struggle vs them and no one else in China looks as good. You can't look beyond them im afraid. Unless you're a "saving strats" kinda guy I haven't followed Chinese online games recently but from looking at results I don't really see how Wings have been dominating online. They didn't qualify for SL and were 4th in DPL, though of course the scene is quite competitive there atm so it's hard to win everything. And just a week ago Newbee beat them in the finals of Nanyang. Based on results putting them as a clear #1 is really based only on this Summit. Imo the biggest favorite for TI is atm OG. They have shown that they can win tournaments of that size now twice, and their recent performance has been very good even if Wings beat them here. And later this week I guess we'll get some indication of whether EG and Secret are going to be in the running or not, but even if one of them wins SL it's hard to put them as the top favorites because none of the current top4 is present there. | ||
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On July 18 2016 17:30 Pandemona wrote: Favorites don't have to win everything, there is upsets, the last favorite to win a TI was? Alliance in 2013 i guess? The way wings have beaten OG 5 and 1 over the last two days, Liquid looking a bit lost in some games and everyone else not looking very good it points towards Wings being the deserved favorites. Or it is going to be an extremely open TI6 as everyone can beat everyone. So we shall see, but i don't get how you can't say Wings isn't favorites after what they doing. They are among the favorites of course, clearly among the top 4 teams based on quality of play and results alone. But I would not declare them the indubitable best just after one event since Manilla was a complete disaster for them. Especially one where western teams have fun with the pool and chinese teams have noone to talk to except themselves - due to the natural language barrier. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
I can't see how people can call OG favorite as for large parts of this TI5 > TI6 season/run they have been out of it, literally hadn't won a game on one of the patches post frankfurt?. Went from Frankfurt major winning to not even placing well for 6 months! To then finally get it together with no one really noticing them until they won it at Manila Major? That is why for me the difference between OG and Wings for example as favorite heads towards Wings due to they have beaten them 5 out of 6 times or in 2 series recently. Both of them are in form in the last few weeks and lans but Wings have soundly beaten OG. Lets wait for TL Power Rank On July 18 2016 18:03 Otolia wrote: They are among the favorites of course, clearly among the top 4 teams based on quality of play and results alone. But I would not declare them the indubitable best just after one event since Manilla was a complete disaster for them. Especially one where western teams have fun with the pool and chinese teams have noone to talk to except themselves - due to the natural language barrier. True, but it isn't just one Lan was placing well in NanYang too, however surely if the top 4 are; NewBee Wings TL OG right now, surely its NewBee > Wings > OG > TL in terms of who has beaten who very recently? At least on very recent games. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On July 18 2016 18:11 Pandemona wrote: I can't see how people can call OG favorite as for large parts of this TI5 > TI6 season/run they have been out of it, literally hadn't won a game on one of the patches post frankfurt?. Went from Frankfurt major winning to not even placing well for 6 months! To then finally get it together with no one really noticing them until they won it at Manila Major? That is why for me the difference between OG and Wings for example as favorite heads towards Wings due to they have beaten them 5 out of 6 times or in 2 series recently. Both of them are in form in the last few weeks and lans but Wings have soundly beaten OG. Wings didn't qualify for the first 2 majors and placed last in the 3rd one and Newbee in their current form didn't exist before Shanghai and outside of Kaka none of the players individually had noteworthy results post TI5. I don't think you can use that argument against OG who've won 2 out of the 3 majors and have quite a few good placings in 3rd party events too around the year. You are overstating quite heavily their downfall post Frankfurt, as after the patch changed they still placed 3rd at MarsTV before Shanghai and went in as one of the favorites. They had some disappointing finishes at Shanghai and after it but then they again placed 3rd at Epicenter and won Dreamleague convincingly (over slightly lesser teams), and they were one of the favorites going into Manila. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Anyway, yeah i know your point about OG and i agree with the Wings Comparison but the gap between Frankfurt > Shanghai was pretty big but still Wings now as well as OG since Manila have been very impressive, at different events but with Wings then beating them 5 out of 6 games is pretty impressive and you would expect Wings might have found OGs number. Anyway, moving on! OG Wings Newbee are defo top 3 into that event, can't discount Liquid of course, then MVP Phoenix and NaVi must be contenders for top 6. Then you add in LGD with their resurgence, then a random EG and Secret probably deserve top 8 ranking depending on what happens in StarLadder too i guess. However i do believe this is going to be the most open of all TIs for a while. I was just saying i think Wings should be bookmakers favorites is all or at least 2nd behind Newbee | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On July 18 2016 19:47 Pandemona wrote: DreamLeague doesn't count or you would have to used EG winning Captains Draft as a major title etc. Anyway, yeah i know your point about OG and i agree with the Wings Comparison but the gap between Frankfurt > Shanghai was pretty big but still Wings now as well as OG since Manila have been very impressive, at different events but with Wings then beating them 5 out of 6 games is pretty impressive and you would expect Wings might have found OGs number. Anyway, moving on! OG Wings Newbee are defo top 3 into that event, can't discount Liquid of course, then MVP Phoenix and NaVi must be contenders for top 6. Then you add in LGD with their resurgence, then a random EG and Secret probably deserve top 8 ranking depending on what happens in StarLadder too i guess. However i do believe this is going to be the most open of all TIs for a while. I was just saying i think Wings should be bookmakers favorites is all or at least 2nd behind Newbee OG is the clear favorite, they have more strat diversity than anyone, consistency and versatility, that's not even close. They lost one tournament to liquid and since then liquid looked helpless against them.Then it's a tie between newbee/wings/liquid. Most of the other teams should still be able to take a dark horse role or even role for favorite depending on the first phase results. The team I would really like to see wings face is EG, they're the best at cutting their losses, slowing the tempo and grinding their way back with superior map movements, that's assuming EG is great again though. I'll be rooting for wings, and as you're a staff memebr I'm begging for a wings flair, do it with their shirts logo, easier to do and way better than their ingame logo. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
they just go pure superman vs Kyrptonite etc :DBut anyway, i think we are all agreed there is 4 teams in with a shout as "favorites" due to how well they have been playing the last 2-3 months or 4-5 LANS and then you have other teams like MVP Phoenix/LGD who can turn up and of course Secret and EG waiting to potentially flex their muscles at the big prize. I hope it is going to be as open as i think it will be and have many many surprises because thats what we want :D good exciting dota where nothing is pre determined before hand. @Wings Flair, im working on it! Watch this space | ||
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wims80
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On July 18 2016 17:21 Otolia wrote: DC and Complexity Liquid and OG can beat them, same for Newbee. It's like you have forgotten how dominant Secret for TI5 were looking and how they got trashed in TI6. Wings play well, very dynamically and they have a vast hero pool. But they're overly reliant on smoke in the midgame and have a tendencies to think they are a bulldozer. Plus they have the worst mindset of all the top teams (TL, OG, NB) mostly because they're young. And just so we're clear, I'll take any sigbet you want that Wings won't be top 2 in TI6. I agree. It's funny how people can go over the top with statements like "liquid look lost against og" and "liquid and og got pummeled". Game 3 (!) between OG and Liquid was easily one of the best and closest matches of the tournament, and in the Grand Final Kuro himself mentioned how hard it would be for OG after playing that exhausting series against Liquid just moments earlier. Wings certainly deserved this win but claiming that "no one can beat them" just makes you look like an idiot. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On July 19 2016 04:06 Pandemona wrote: No one has said they are unbeatable and no one can stop Wings. To me that's exactly what "Tell me who can beat them on what you have seen. EG and Secret are unknown, Liquid and OG just get pummeled by them." implies. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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haxhax
125 Posts
On July 18 2016 10:19 ch33psh33p wrote: Wings draft 20 different heroes in 4 games and come out looking like they played a pub, and people still think OG were the ones saving strats. And OG played 19, lol, just to put that into perspective. Anyway, you're obviously not going to be able to play at 100% in every tournament, especially when it's a smaller one. Hell, OG even admitted to having a hard time giving it their all coming into shanghai as defending champions. A mistake they were clearly not intending to repeat at TI. | ||
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Indonesia4317 Posts
they throw big fights a lot just their "I'm a steam tank" mentality didn't saw their match vs Newbee in NYC Grand Final but I think Newbee outdone them by capitalizing this "mistakes" because that's what Newbee do | ||
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bluzi
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dutchfriese
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On July 19 2016 17:15 bluzi wrote: Wings is a very good team , they didn't prove they are Elite yet , as they need to prove themselves on a Valve event , they are clearly one of the best teams going in , can they take the pressure ? we will soon find out. Qualified for ESL Manila, went onto win the tournament. Qualified for The Summit 5, went onto win the tournament. Qualified for Nanyang, got a close second place in a fantastic 2-3 series vs Newbee Qualified for TI6 You sure they aren't elite? That's an impressive resume if you ask me. Yeah they choked at Manila (no bkb Tiny, GG), but they came right back. If you're going purely off results, it's hard to say that Wings isn't an elite team atm IMO. | ||
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Indonesia4317 Posts
On July 19 2016 17:15 bluzi wrote: Wings is a very good team , they didn't prove they are Elite yet , as they need to prove themselves on a Valve event , they are clearly one of the best teams going in , can they take the pressure ? we will soon find out. by this standard, last year Secret is not an elite, because they failed in valve event | ||
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