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Voronoff
Profile Joined May 2010
United States302 Posts
May 07 2016 01:23 GMT
#481
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
May 07 2016 01:23 GMT
#482
DC looks better than most EU teams. I know everyone wants to makes jokes about how bad NA team is, but Shazam was looking very strong as well. I think DC may even look better than teams like Vega and Secret.
Getting too old for this..
Akill0816
Profile Joined February 2016
Germany90 Posts
May 07 2016 01:24 GMT
#483
I am really curious how DC will do against better competition. And I am happy that W33 and Misery will have a chance to play the Major beside the kick. If would be really nice to get an elimination series against new secret at Manila.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
May 07 2016 01:24 GMT
#484
That is sad. I feel bad for Shazam.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
May 07 2016 01:24 GMT
#485
oh well 3/4 in predictions.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
May 07 2016 01:25 GMT
#486
On May 07 2016 10:23 Danzo wrote:
DC looks better than most EU teams. I know everyone wants to makes jokes about how bad NA team is, but Shazam was looking very strong as well. I think DC may even look better than teams like Vega and Secret.

Yeah, the European qualifier could have been the same way if secret were forced to go through qualifiers because of their roster change.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 07 2016 01:25 GMT
#487
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 07 2016 01:31 GMT
#488
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.
Akill0816
Profile Joined February 2016
Germany90 Posts
May 07 2016 01:31 GMT
#489
On May 07 2016 10:25 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:23 Danzo wrote:
DC looks better than most EU teams. I know everyone wants to makes jokes about how bad NA team is, but Shazam was looking very strong as well. I think DC may even look better than teams like Vega and Secret.

Yeah, the European qualifier could have been the same way if secret were forced to go through qualifiers because of their roster change.


I really don't think that Secret would have dominated the european qualifiers in the same way DC could do it in the AM Qualifier. Empire and Vega showed that they can win against the best on a good day and DiG/AF were very close to this two teams. I don't think any of the teams in this NA Qualifier beside DC could do this.
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
May 07 2016 01:38 GMT
#490
On May 07 2016 10:23 Danzo wrote:
DC looks better than most EU teams. I know everyone wants to makes jokes about how bad NA team is, but Shazam was looking very strong as well. I think DC may even look better than teams like Vega and Secret.

anyone can look good running push strats against terrible NA teams
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 07 2016 01:39 GMT
#491
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.

I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
May 07 2016 01:55 GMT
#492
On May 07 2016 10:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.

I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool.

Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite?

What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA?
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-07 02:04:06
May 07 2016 02:03 GMT
#493
On May 07 2016 10:55 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.

I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool.

Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite?

What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA?

Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem.

In terms of solutions, that's hard because some teams might legitimately want to move to a different region (e.g. most NA team Secret, or ye olde LGD.int). I'm not suggesting that Valve can fix this. All I'm saying is that it's a joke. That's it. Not everything in the world that is a joke can be changed.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
May 07 2016 02:04 GMT
#494
i'm honestly happy for sunsfan. after dumping so much money into dota he finally gets to see his team win games. ofc this doesn't mean they'll have an amazing major run but still, feel like the guy deserved to see some results.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
May 07 2016 02:23 GMT
#495
On May 07 2016 11:03 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:55 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.

I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool.

Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite?

What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA?

Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem.


Yeah, because "abusing the system" was clearly their intention and you have proof to back that up. Misery chatting up his teammates on Skype and going "Hey boys, lets move to North America and wreck some scrubs. EZ qualifier win." W33 replys "Yeah, let's do this, fam."
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 07 2016 02:33 GMT
#496
On May 07 2016 11:23 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 11:03 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:55 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.

I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool.

Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite?

What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA?

Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem.


Yeah, because "abusing the system" was clearly their intention and you have proof to back that up. Misery chatting up his teammates on Skype and going "Hey boys, lets move to North America and wreck some scrubs. EZ qualifier win." W33 replys "Yeah, let's do this, fam."

Misery actually did basically say this in an interview.

But w/e, if you want to think a bunch of Euros moved to America for the weather then that's up to you.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
May 07 2016 03:47 GMT
#497


But w/e, if you want to think a bunch of Euros moved to America for the weather then that's up to you.


The weather is fucken nice here though.

Honestly, I understand the concern of Dota2 becoming similar to SC2 or LoL. However, as it is right now the scene is still very diverse and competitive. If it was all about money then the only region that should be worried is SEA.

This is assuming Dota2 teams becomes like other sports (soccer) and big organizations with money just poach the best players. It is better this way, because eventually if that was the case NA will no longer be the "easy" region. I think it already has progressed a lot. We have 3 competitive teams now instead of just 1.

bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
May 07 2016 05:43 GMT
#498
On May 07 2016 11:03 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 10:55 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:39 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote:
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote:
these american quals are a joke

pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao


A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke...

I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers.

I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever.


Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now.

I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool.

Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite?

What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA?

Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem.

In terms of solutions, that's hard because some teams might legitimately want to move to a different region (e.g. most NA team Secret, or ye olde LGD.int). I'm not suggesting that Valve can fix this. All I'm saying is that it's a joke. That's it. Not everything in the world that is a joke can be changed.


The origin of the player has no meaning , its where the org is from and where the players play from , if they all live in the
USA and play for a US org why on earth should they compete for EU qualifier ? its gets tricky ill say if they only have a US org but all are based in euro , but in DC case its kinda ez to see why they should play out of NA.
Cybuster
Profile Joined October 2015
Canada99 Posts
May 07 2016 06:43 GMT
#499
TC happens to be the jinx...missing 3 straight Majors by 1 series....
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
May 07 2016 15:27 GMT
#500
remove regions and make offline lan quals
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