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Voronoff
United States302 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:04 Nymzee wrote: these american quals are a joke pretty much a full EU team is gonna win the American qualifier lmao A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke... | ||
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Danzo
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Akill0816
Germany90 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Kuroeeah
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:23 Danzo wrote: DC looks better than most EU teams. I know everyone wants to makes jokes about how bad NA team is, but Shazam was looking very strong as well. I think DC may even look better than teams like Vega and Secret. Yeah, the European qualifier could have been the same way if secret were forced to go through qualifiers because of their roster change. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:23 Voronoff wrote: A half major winning team wins the major quals. Region is a joke... I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers. I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:25 FuzzyJAM wrote: I think the joke is that a European team abused the system to get through the American qualifiers. I think DC could maybe have gotten through the EU qualifiers, they seem like a good team, so it's not about "NA Dota is trash" or whatever. Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now. | ||
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Akill0816
Germany90 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:25 nojok wrote: Yeah, the European qualifier could have been the same way if secret were forced to go through qualifiers because of their roster change. I really don't think that Secret would have dominated the european qualifiers in the same way DC could do it in the AM Qualifier. Empire and Vega showed that they can win against the best on a good day and DiG/AF were very close to this two teams. I don't think any of the teams in this NA Qualifier beside DC could do this. | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:23 Danzo wrote: DC looks better than most EU teams. I know everyone wants to makes jokes about how bad NA team is, but Shazam was looking very strong as well. I think DC may even look better than teams like Vega and Secret. anyone can look good running push strats against terrible NA teams | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:31 Taf the Ghost wrote: Well, Sunsfan had a mostly USA team 4 days before roster lock. It's a US-based organization, even if it's a 4 European roster now. I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:39 FuzzyJAM wrote: I don't really see the relevance given that if the old team had played in the AM qualifier, nobody would be saying it was a joke. DC picked up a new roster and the new one is a European team. And that European team gaming the system and qualifying through the Americas qualifier isn't cool. Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite? What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA? | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On May 07 2016 10:55 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Seemed to work with Mousesports during the TI5 qualifiers amirite? What are we supposed to do? Region lock pro players? Complexity has three Swedes on their team, Beesa and sLiCKz aren't American either. Moonmeander did the opposite and went to Europe and went through "the hard way" if that's what you're calling it. Or how about ChuaN playing for a Chinese team instead of competing in SEA? Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem. In terms of solutions, that's hard because some teams might legitimately want to move to a different region (e.g. most NA team Secret, or ye olde LGD.int). I'm not suggesting that Valve can fix this. All I'm saying is that it's a joke. That's it. Not everything in the world that is a joke can be changed. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On May 07 2016 11:03 FuzzyJAM wrote: Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem. Yeah, because "abusing the system" was clearly their intention and you have proof to back that up. Misery chatting up his teammates on Skype and going "Hey boys, lets move to North America and wreck some scrubs. EZ qualifier win." W33 replys "Yeah, let's do this, fam." | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On May 07 2016 11:23 M.S.Bismarck wrote: Yeah, because "abusing the system" was clearly their intention and you have proof to back that up. Misery chatting up his teammates on Skype and going "Hey boys, lets move to North America and wreck some scrubs. EZ qualifier win." W33 replys "Yeah, let's do this, fam." Misery actually did basically say this in an interview. But w/e, if you want to think a bunch of Euros moved to America for the weather then that's up to you. | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
But w/e, if you want to think a bunch of Euros moved to America for the weather then that's up to you. The weather is fucken nice here though. Honestly, I understand the concern of Dota2 becoming similar to SC2 or LoL. However, as it is right now the scene is still very diverse and competitive. If it was all about money then the only region that should be worried is SEA. This is assuming Dota2 teams becomes like other sports (soccer) and big organizations with money just poach the best players. It is better this way, because eventually if that was the case NA will no longer be the "easy" region. I think it already has progressed a lot. We have 3 competitive teams now instead of just 1. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On May 07 2016 11:03 FuzzyJAM wrote: Players who play in different regions because that's where the majority of their teammates happen to be is fine. I don't understand how you can fail to see a difference from that and a team that deliberately abuses the system and joins a region that isn't their natural one because they think it's easier. And that they can fail (e.g. Mouz, as you say) doesn't change the intention, which is the problem. In terms of solutions, that's hard because some teams might legitimately want to move to a different region (e.g. most NA team Secret, or ye olde LGD.int). I'm not suggesting that Valve can fix this. All I'm saying is that it's a joke. That's it. Not everything in the world that is a joke can be changed. The origin of the player has no meaning , its where the org is from and where the players play from , if they all live in the USA and play for a US org why on earth should they compete for EU qualifier ? its gets tricky ill say if they only have a US org but all are based in euro , but in DC case its kinda ez to see why they should play out of NA. | ||
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
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ChunderBoy
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