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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
January 27 2016 12:05 GMT
#921
iron talon on misery

what an abomination of an item.
ffxiv enjoyer
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 12:06:18
January 27 2016 12:05 GMT
#922
On January 27 2016 21:00 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:54 mutantmagnet wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:43 Gear 3rd wrote:
Well imho (which isnt really relevant here) mutantmagnet was totally right, aside from suspecting him of getting "hot and bothered" which is a pretty far fetched interpretation from what he said



Thank you. I do agree the "hot and bothered" line deserves criticism. When someone in 2016 is surprised to see women casting when they amount to less than 3% of the casting pool, after years of having the same percentage, being shocked now is whining at this point.

Oke so

Given that females in casting are incredibly underrepresented, I was wondering where they came from, most casters are male and females have to fight hard in order to break into the casting scene, HENCE I want to know who they are, if they have some kind of history in other games etc. So yes, I was suprised because even in 2016 its incredibly hard for female casters to have a breakthrough, the only caster that I know of that is female and has a stable job is Pansy.

I at no point made any sexist comments or even about the quality of the casting(which for the record I think is fine, not great but fine).

So I show an interest in these casters and somehow I am labeled as a sexist whiner.

You don't see how that is annoying?


yeah i get your point and in this context your question is totally legit.
But for example when ODpixel got onto the casting stage everyone was like "Who is that guy I never saw him before. Anyone knows him?" or smth like this.
Dont you think asking in a way of "where do (all?) these female casters come from?" has kind of a different ring to it, if you really wanted to know more about their background?
Im not bashing here I just want to make it more understandable how the question got the reaction it got...

Edit: Sorry for putting this in the LR thread... I stop now
EXTERMINATE!
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 27 2016 12:08 GMT
#923
These EE-drafts are suspiciously "get to the Late game and we win!" in style. That's historically gone badly at the wrong moment for EE.

I believe Newbee vs EG will be on MarsTVMDLen2, unless they're waiting for the main channel(s) to open.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 12:11:47
January 27 2016 12:09 GMT
#924
On January 27 2016 21:00 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:54 mutantmagnet wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:43 Gear 3rd wrote:
Well imho (which isnt really relevant here) mutantmagnet was totally right, aside from suspecting him of getting "hot and bothered" which is a pretty far fetched interpretation from what he said



Thank you. I do agree the "hot and bothered" line deserves criticism. When someone in 2016 is surprised to see women casting when they amount to less than 3% of the casting pool, after years of having the same percentage, being shocked now is whining at this point.

Oke so

Given that females in casting are incredibly underrepresented, I was wondering where they came from, most casters are male and females have to fight hard in order to break into the casting scene, HENCE I want to know who they are, if they have some kind of history in other games etc. So yes, I was suprised because even in 2016 its incredibly hard to female casters to have a breakthrough, the only caster that I know of that is female and has a stable job is Pansy.

So I show an interest in these casters and somehow I am labeled as a sexist whiner.

You don't see how that is annoying?



I understand the annoyance in questioning your motives for saying something but you have been around a long time. You could've asked why Llama was there. Instead you made a comment about an entire group. A person like yourself already knows women have been in the casting scene for years. Women in Dota hasn't been a sudden recent thing and your question is based entirely on that instead of what Llama did to deserve her high profile seat.

I actually don't think she has done as much as Sheever or is as fun to listen to as Soe.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 27 2016 12:10 GMT
#925
On January 27 2016 21:08 Taf the Ghost wrote:
These EE-drafts are suspiciously "get to the Late game and we win!" in style. That's historically gone badly at the wrong moment for EE.

I believe Newbee vs EG will be on MarsTVMDLen2, unless they're waiting for the main channel(s) to open.

i feel they rely on w33ha way oto much as a crutch
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 27 2016 12:11 GMT
#926
On January 27 2016 21:08 Taf the Ghost wrote:
These EE-drafts are suspiciously "get to the Late game and we win!" in style. That's historically gone badly at the wrong moment for EE.

I believe Newbee vs EG will be on MarsTVMDLen2, unless they're waiting for the main channel(s) to open.

Nice putting that stream on now
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 12:13:44
January 27 2016 12:11 GMT
#927
On January 27 2016 21:00 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 20:54 mutantmagnet wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:43 Gear 3rd wrote:
Well imho (which isnt really relevant here) mutantmagnet was totally right, aside from suspecting him of getting "hot and bothered" which is a pretty far fetched interpretation from what he said



Thank you. I do agree the "hot and bothered" line deserves criticism. When someone in 2016 is surprised to see women casting when they amount to less than 3% of the casting pool, after years of having the same percentage, being shocked now is whining at this point.

Oke so

Given that females in casting are incredibly underrepresented, I was wondering where they came from, most casters are male and females have to fight hard in order to break into the casting scene, HENCE I want to know who they are, if they have some kind of history in other games etc. So yes, I was suprised because even in 2016 its incredibly hard for female casters to have a breakthrough, the only caster that I know of that is female and has a stable job is Pansy.

I at no point made any sexist comments or even about the quality of the casting(which for the record I think is fine, not great but fine).

So I show an interest in these casters and somehow I am labeled as a sexist whiner.

You don't see how that is annoying?
Considering the general perception of female casting, along with you saying "where do all these female casters from all of a sudden", which does imply you question the legitimacy of them being there in the first place, and is the result of genderfavoritism over ability.

You stating they normally have to fight hard for this position, underlines that you are leaning towards this, and are very likely trying to backpedal, while still leaning towards sexism. Sorry.
LiangHao
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 27 2016 12:11 GMT
#928
On January 27 2016 21:05 Gear 3rd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 21:00 Kipsate wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:54 mutantmagnet wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:43 Gear 3rd wrote:
Well imho (which isnt really relevant here) mutantmagnet was totally right, aside from suspecting him of getting "hot and bothered" which is a pretty far fetched interpretation from what he said



Thank you. I do agree the "hot and bothered" line deserves criticism. When someone in 2016 is surprised to see women casting when they amount to less than 3% of the casting pool, after years of having the same percentage, being shocked now is whining at this point.

Oke so

Given that females in casting are incredibly underrepresented, I was wondering where they came from, most casters are male and females have to fight hard in order to break into the casting scene, HENCE I want to know who they are, if they have some kind of history in other games etc. So yes, I was suprised because even in 2016 its incredibly hard for female casters to have a breakthrough, the only caster that I know of that is female and has a stable job is Pansy.

I at no point made any sexist comments or even about the quality of the casting(which for the record I think is fine, not great but fine).

So I show an interest in these casters and somehow I am labeled as a sexist whiner.

You don't see how that is annoying?


yeah i get your point and in this context your question is totally legit.
But for example when ODpixel got onto the casting stage everyone was like "Who is that guy I never saw him before. Anyone knows him?" or smth like this.
Dont you think asking in a way of "where do (all?) these female casters come from?" has kind of a different ring to it, if you really wanted to know more about their background?
Im not bashing here I just want to make it more understandable how the question got the reaction it got...

Edit: Sorry for putting this in the LR thread... I stop now

My point is twofold

A: You guys are WAAY to aggressive about wanting to put people away and labeling them as sexists when anyone makes any kind of comment regarding females in casting appearently. In no way did I judge the quality of the casting, made any sexist comments or any comments related to gender.

Look at it this way, Smash Bros is an Esports game that has a relatively large African American population when it comes to crowd, players etc. That is something that is unique to that game(Dota, League, CS all have predominately White/Asian playerbase with a hint of Hispanic). If I come from Dota and see Smash, will you call me a racist if I am wondering why there are so many black people playing Smash?

B: I too wondered where ODpixel came from, however ODpixel is male and blessed with a godtier voice/accent. That is not something that is unheard of in this day and age. So I am less suprised at ODpixel being allowed to cast all of these games than I am of females. Given that females suffer much harder challenges then ODpixel, don't you think that its different?
WriterXiao8~~
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 27 2016 12:13 GMT
#929
On January 27 2016 21:11 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 21:08 Taf the Ghost wrote:
These EE-drafts are suspiciously "get to the Late game and we win!" in style. That's historically gone badly at the wrong moment for EE.

I believe Newbee vs EG will be on MarsTVMDLen2, unless they're waiting for the main channel(s) to open.

Nice putting that stream on now


Newbee was looking at playing 4 matches in a row, so they might be giving them an extended break to eat. Not that we have any information. Just thinking.
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
January 27 2016 12:13 GMT
#930
Why commit on invo when u so close to a T1?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44267 Posts
January 27 2016 12:13 GMT
#931
i have no sound for the secret stream

am i the only one ?
this is a quote
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
January 27 2016 12:14 GMT
#932
On January 27 2016 21:11 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 21:05 Gear 3rd wrote:
On January 27 2016 21:00 Kipsate wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:54 mutantmagnet wrote:
On January 27 2016 20:43 Gear 3rd wrote:
Well imho (which isnt really relevant here) mutantmagnet was totally right, aside from suspecting him of getting "hot and bothered" which is a pretty far fetched interpretation from what he said



Thank you. I do agree the "hot and bothered" line deserves criticism. When someone in 2016 is surprised to see women casting when they amount to less than 3% of the casting pool, after years of having the same percentage, being shocked now is whining at this point.

Oke so

Given that females in casting are incredibly underrepresented, I was wondering where they came from, most casters are male and females have to fight hard in order to break into the casting scene, HENCE I want to know who they are, if they have some kind of history in other games etc. So yes, I was suprised because even in 2016 its incredibly hard for female casters to have a breakthrough, the only caster that I know of that is female and has a stable job is Pansy.

I at no point made any sexist comments or even about the quality of the casting(which for the record I think is fine, not great but fine).

So I show an interest in these casters and somehow I am labeled as a sexist whiner.

You don't see how that is annoying?


yeah i get your point and in this context your question is totally legit.
But for example when ODpixel got onto the casting stage everyone was like "Who is that guy I never saw him before. Anyone knows him?" or smth like this.
Dont you think asking in a way of "where do (all?) these female casters come from?" has kind of a different ring to it, if you really wanted to know more about their background?
Im not bashing here I just want to make it more understandable how the question got the reaction it got...

Edit: Sorry for putting this in the LR thread... I stop now

My point is twofold

A: You guys are WAAY to aggressive about wanting to put people away and labeling them as sexists when anyone makes any kind of comment regarding females in casting appearently. In no way did I judge the quality of the casting, made any sexist comments or any comments related to gender.

Look at it this way, Smash Bros is an Esports game that has a relatively large African American population when it comes to crowd, players etc. That is something that is unique to that game(Dota, League, CS all have predominately White/Asian playerbase with a hint of Hispanic). If I come from Dota and see Smash, will you call me a racist if I am wondering why there are so many black people playing Smash?

B: I too wondered where ODpixel came from, however ODpixel is male and blessed with a godtier voice/accent. That is not something that is unheard of in this day and age. So I am less suprised at ODpixel being allowed to cast all of these games than I am of females. Given that females suffer much harder challenges then ODpixel, don't you think that its different?

OD didn't really make it big until the C9 v Scaryfacezzz game. A good voice and one of the longest games of Dota ever played will do that. Prior to that he was casting pubs with Wakeypixel.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
January 27 2016 12:14 GMT
#933
That was super confusing by secret
LiquidDota Staff
Furikawari
Profile Joined February 2014
France2522 Posts
January 27 2016 12:14 GMT
#934
I have sound, through Livestreamer though.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 27 2016 12:15 GMT
#935
On January 27 2016 21:13 goody153 wrote:
i have no sound for the secret stream

am i the only one ?


Mine working fine. But I'm using livestreamer.
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
January 27 2016 12:15 GMT
#936
How are Ehome going to win at min 40, without pressuring EE so hard that he has the exact amount of NW at min 40 as he has now?
EXTERMINATE!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 27 2016 12:15 GMT
#937
oh stop the derailing about female casters please
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 27 2016 12:15 GMT
#938
On January 27 2016 21:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 21:11 Pandemona wrote:
On January 27 2016 21:08 Taf the Ghost wrote:
These EE-drafts are suspiciously "get to the Late game and we win!" in style. That's historically gone badly at the wrong moment for EE.

I believe Newbee vs EG will be on MarsTVMDLen2, unless they're waiting for the main channel(s) to open.

Nice putting that stream on now


Newbee was looking at playing 4 matches in a row, so they might be giving them an extended break to eat. Not that we have any information. Just thinking.

Ok nice i can watch more sc2 :3
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
January 27 2016 12:16 GMT
#939
secret going full "second half of 2015"
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 12:20:48
January 27 2016 12:18 GMT
#940
K per Opterown's request im done with this dumb issue.
WriterXiao8~~
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