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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
January 13 2016 12:24 GMT
#341
Maybe I miss it but is there a second English stream?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
January 13 2016 12:25 GMT
#342
On January 13 2016 21:24 nojok wrote:
Maybe I miss it but is there a second English stream?

http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_en2
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 13 2016 12:26 GMT
#343
On January 13 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:20 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:18 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:14 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:11 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:10 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
oh thank you

yea idk in what world you call this a teamspirit outpick


They have a hero that counters all five of LGD's heroes.

elaborate
i think you have a pretty wide definition of counter


Silencer + Chen + face rush strategy is designed to counter a strategy based on late game Terrorblade and a bunch of spell casting heroes. That is unless the opponent gets a greaves and BKBs before 20 minutes.

dark seer + earth spirit + zeus sounds ridiculously hard to push into tho regardless of tb's status

its not like global lasts for an entire tower siege


It doesn't matter whether they push in before 20 minutes. They just have to gain an mid game advantage. But instead they went 1-11 and their Invoker literally did nothing the whole game because he went Exort instead of Quas Wex.

if he goes wex then their midgame push is even more allin... and still against earth spirit dark seer zeus

like you've seen uni ds turn a thousand games, what makes this ds pick any different?


Uh, why would you pick Sven and Slardar to push base during the middle game? The draft was a late game draft, but it had Chen for early pushes so as to gain map control, which is what face rush strategies are all about - ganking the opponent into the ground, and then slow rolling the late game. Late game Slardar + Sven does in fact do well against Terrorblade and the Silencer and Invoker theoretically allows them to control the rest of the team, which were all spell casting heroes. But you can't play a face rush strategy when you get behind in the early game. So the argument could be that Goblak forgot how ridiculous a well played Earth Spirit is and that's why his picks were less than ideal. I'd accept that argument because I didn't know MMY's Earth Spirit was that impressive as well.

i mean if you're going to go on assuming invoker + silencer play so well that literally nobody gets any spells off so that slardar and sven can hit the enemy hard carry uncontested then yea goblak had the omega draft of dota what a draft
posting on liquid sites in current year
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 13 2016 12:26 GMT
#344
http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_en2
WriterXiao8~~
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 13 2016 12:27 GMT
#345
On January 13 2016 21:26 Kipsate wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_en2

not meant to be offensive, but as staff, are you not able to append this to the right sidebar?
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Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
January 13 2016 12:27 GMT
#346
^i agree with this guy...na'vi couldn't do justice to their own draft..they strangled themselves after shutting down mushi early game which allowed both midone and mushi to farm furies and once they get furies,na'vi's strats goes downhill from there
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 12:29:22
January 13 2016 12:27 GMT
#347
On January 13 2016 21:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:26 Kipsate wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_en2

not meant to be offensive, but as staff, are you not able to append this to the right sidebar?

Only some can.

I haven't been actual staff for a long while now btw.
WriterXiao8~~
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
January 13 2016 12:28 GMT
#348
On January 13 2016 21:24 Kipsate wrote:
I dont think they were outdrafted at all, they were far too greedy for kills instead of focussing on objectives. Their lineup is a super strong deathball but they kept getting picked off and kept trying to chase(with no chase) instead of comitting more to pushes.

I'm pretty sure they even outdrafted Fnatic. If they played their draft rightly, I don't see what Fnatic could have done at 18/20 mins against a furion / dp (backed with oracle omni) pushing highgroung. But whatever.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
January 13 2016 12:32 GMT
#349
On January 13 2016 21:27 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:26 Kipsate wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/dotastarladder_en2

not meant to be offensive, but as staff, are you not able to append this to the right sidebar?

Only some can.

I haven't been actual staff for a long while now btw.

Slacker

I asked OPTown if he around.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 13 2016 12:33 GMT
#350
On the Team Spirit vs LGD, I think Team Spirit just didn't do enough research on LGD's recent play. Bo1 and all that.
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
January 13 2016 12:38 GMT
#351
These Bo1's are brutal tho.....i think even bo2 would have been better than this
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
January 13 2016 12:38 GMT
#352
Alright Team Secret vs. Virtus Pro starting soon, get hype!

IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 12:39:56
January 13 2016 12:38 GMT
#353
On January 13 2016 21:26 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:24 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:20 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:18 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:15 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:14 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:11 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:10 Azarkon wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
oh thank you

yea idk in what world you call this a teamspirit outpick


They have a hero that counters all five of LGD's heroes.

elaborate
i think you have a pretty wide definition of counter


Silencer + Chen + face rush strategy is designed to counter a strategy based on late game Terrorblade and a bunch of spell casting heroes. That is unless the opponent gets a greaves and BKBs before 20 minutes.

dark seer + earth spirit + zeus sounds ridiculously hard to push into tho regardless of tb's status

its not like global lasts for an entire tower siege


It doesn't matter whether they push in before 20 minutes. They just have to gain an mid game advantage. But instead they went 1-11 and their Invoker literally did nothing the whole game because he went Exort instead of Quas Wex.

if he goes wex then their midgame push is even more allin... and still against earth spirit dark seer zeus

like you've seen uni ds turn a thousand games, what makes this ds pick any different?


Uh, why would you pick Sven and Slardar to push base during the middle game? The draft was a late game draft, but it had Chen for early pushes so as to gain map control, which is what face rush strategies are all about - ganking the opponent into the ground, and then slow rolling the late game. Late game Slardar + Sven does in fact do well against Terrorblade and the Silencer and Invoker theoretically allows them to control the rest of the team, which were all spell casting heroes. But you can't play a face rush strategy when you get behind in the early game. So the argument could be that Goblak forgot how ridiculous a well played Earth Spirit is and that's why his picks were less than ideal. I'd accept that argument because I didn't know MMY's Earth Spirit was that impressive as well.

i mean if you're going to go on assuming invoker + silencer play so well that literally nobody gets any spells off so that slardar and sven can hit the enemy hard carry uncontested then yea goblak had the omega draft of dota what a draft


In retrospect, the invoker pick was completely useless in case they planned it to be exort to begin with. So provided that was the plan, then I'd have to take back them out picking LGD, because the invoker didn't fit the picks. Had they just wanted a solid middle hero for push, they ought to have picked viper. Had they wanted control, they ought to have gone quas wex. The exort invoker was a bad pick and made it so that they had no way to fight back in the middle game.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44172 Posts
January 13 2016 12:39 GMT
#354
On January 13 2016 21:38 Kamisamanachi wrote:
These Bo1's are brutal tho.....i think even bo2 would have been better than this

Yeah b02's are nicer but i wish they would've made it a 1 group b01 round robin instead of 2 group b01 round robin.

I miss that format
this is a quote
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
January 13 2016 12:41 GMT
#355
On January 13 2016 21:39 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:38 Kamisamanachi wrote:
These Bo1's are brutal tho.....i think even bo2 would have been better than this

Yeah b02's are nicer but i wish they would've made it a 1 group b01 round robin instead of 2 group b01 round robin.

I miss that format

double the amount of games tho.
WriterXiao8~~
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 13 2016 12:42 GMT
#356
Shots fired at CDEC.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
January 13 2016 12:43 GMT
#357
On January 13 2016 21:42 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Shots fired at CDEC.

the same shot should go to VP. The Illidan Leshrac games were the most painful leshrac performances at ti5
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 13 2016 12:43 GMT
#358
EG team photo with... Aui2000. :O
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-13 12:44:23
January 13 2016 12:44 GMT
#359
On January 13 2016 21:41 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2016 21:39 goody153 wrote:
On January 13 2016 21:38 Kamisamanachi wrote:
These Bo1's are brutal tho.....i think even bo2 would have been better than this

Yeah b02's are nicer but i wish they would've made it a 1 group b01 round robin instead of 2 group b01 round robin.

I miss that format

double the amount of games tho.

Yeah defeats the purpose of why they made this format in the firstplace but that's just my wishful thinking. I wish they made that kind of format again.
this is a quote
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
January 13 2016 12:45 GMT
#360
time to see if secret solved their w33 gets dual laned and roamed and we can't help him so we auto lose problem.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
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