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Either way, for those who did not see a short recap. Spirit did lvl1 rosh with ursa+chen+slardar+od+disprutor. Then ursa vs enchantress and od vs invoker happened. 20 minute gg. | ||
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On January 08 2016 18:53 Salazarz wrote: No stream for Empire vs Team Spirit anywhere? ![]() http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ruhub obv russian | ||
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On January 08 2016 18:53 Kipsate wrote: Navi confirmed not back? The new guys are pretty good. | ||
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On January 08 2016 18:54 FuzzyJAM wrote: Has Dendi been in this game yet? He cancelled like every bane ult so far, he had a shit early game but he's doing well now considering the lineups I think. Hard game for a brew. | ||
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Pretty big cock up by both teams. | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:10 eonrulz wrote: What are the drafts? I can't watch the stream, I'm at a conference ![]() oracle, bane, silencer, pudge, ld for HR ss, venge, naix, panda and tusk for navi | ||
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I like her, would be cool to see her cast some BTS games : ) but ODPixel is ODPixel so | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:11 V1ctor wrote: whats with the carry rhasta? Classic sonneiko. | ||
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THIS PUDGE | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:17 eonrulz wrote: And what's happening in the Empire game? Everyone seems to be talking about the Navi-HR game, for apparently obvious reasons, but yeah TS won game one. 20min win with chen+ursa. | ||
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B) This Artstyle lol | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:19 TheTenthDoc wrote: Wow a decision the internet will flame even more than his shallow grave, I'm impressed Artstyle And he can't even say Dendi was typing gg :D | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:19 TheTenthDoc wrote: Wow a decision the internet will flame even more than his shallow grave, I'm impressed Artstyle what did he do? besides deciding to rosh when you are against a 1400 range hook? )) | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:20 V1ctor wrote: what did he do? besides deciding to rosh when you are against a 1400 range hook? )) Swapped Dendi to kill him HR is playing a pure spoiler role here as far as I can tell, no way they can qualify | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:21 TheTenthDoc wrote: Swapped Dendi to kill him HR is playing a pure spoiler role here as far as I can tell, no way they can qualify What better way to spoil a team than this? Better than when Alliance got level 1 Roshan'd. | ||
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![]() Sonneiko is the best Navi player. | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:21 TheTenthDoc wrote: Swapped Dendi to kill him HR is playing a pure spoiler role here as far as I can tell, no way they can qualify rofl, i've must've missed that. I think he panicked ![]() | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:24 SkelA wrote: Dendi wishing he could be as good as that Pudge ![]() Sonneiko is the best Navi player. oh cmon, dendi is a better pudge | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:25 TheTenthDoc wrote: Lone Druid almost has Agh's I think LMAO Tasty snack for daedalus naix, his blink is broken by wave, right? | ||
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actually Shiva's, since bear has one | ||
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Oh damn, Empire really needed to get a 2-0 to advance for sure. Hopefully they can win the next one and go 1-2-0, which should be enough to advance, I think... At the least, it'll be a tie between them and Na'Vi then. | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:32 snow2.0 wrote: rofl what is this game. 70 minutes against pudge and silence who will not stop scaling? Well, pudge's scaling is not useful against naix. | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:35 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, pudge's scaling is not useful against naix. Especially when he has 9 armor at the end of the game | ||
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V1ctor
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well played NaVi | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:36 TheTenthDoc wrote: HR seemed to realize that there was no point in them winning that game Well, they would increase Empire's chances. | ||
Faruko
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On January 08 2016 19:36 TheTenthDoc wrote: HR seemed to realize that there was no point in them winning that game if they had won all series 2-0 they advance to the playoffs | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:37 Gevna wrote: That was all planed by Navi. Artstyle said that he wanted the team to train late game. Artstyle is overdoing that. In fact, he was overdoing that since that SFZ game. | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:37 Faruko wrote: if they had won all series 2-0 they advance to the playoffs Uh. No they couldn't unless tiebreaker rules are weird. If they beat Na'Vi and Mamas 2-0, they have 4 points. Na'Vi and Empire still have to face each other and both have (minimum) 3 points. If those two split the series 1-1, they all have 4 points-but HR lost 0-2 to Empire, so I don't think they'd qualify over them unless there's wacky tiebreaker rules. If Na'Vi won 2-0, they'd have 5 points and HR wouldn't qualify. If Empire won 2-0, they'd have 5 points and HR wouldn't qualify. | ||
Faruko
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so yes, maybe tiebraker rules are indeed weird | ||
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I do wish it was easier to find the tiebreaker rules though | ||
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First infinite scaling, now spectre lmao. | ||
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On January 08 2016 19:53 lolfail9001 wrote: Ok, HR totally did get the Artstyle's lategame aim lmao. First infinite scaling, now spectre lmao. Flair = checked and approved | ||
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![]() Edit: hmm, lost melee top, but got three good kills and didn't die... I think that's a win, maybe? | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:04 eonrulz wrote: Oh my lord the cleave damage, holy shit. I think that's game, and Empire are out ![]() Dont they have to beat navi 2-0 ? that would put both teams (in theory) 2-1-1 | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:05 Faruko wrote: Dont they have to beat navi 2-0 ? that would put both teams (in theory) 2-1-1 Ohhh, fuck, you're right, for some reason I thought that was their last game. I blame the fact that I'm sneakily trying to watch it in the middle of a coffee break, and the conference is about to start again ![]() | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:12 Vaelone wrote: This pause timing is amazing. Wasn't an auto-pause? It has no name, the message I mean. | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:13 Racket wrote: Wasn't an auto-pause? It has no name, the message I mean. It's an auto-pause due to the disconnect from lion | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:05 SatsuinoHado wrote: Fuck yeah TS won first in group as expected. Now VEGA time and final Vega vs TS for both spots for EU! not so fast my friend, if navi wins 2-0 against HR and Empire they are through Not that its going to happen lol | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:13 HammerKick wrote: It's an auto-pause due to the disconnect from lion I guessed so. Thanks | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:10 Faruko wrote: TI5 qualifier, i was in the mall with my gf, every time she went to that room where people try clothes (i really dont know the name in english lmao) i put twitch or livedota in my phone lol Simply called the changing room. I usually just go on it when she enters a shop. | ||
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It's still amazing, right in the middle of Dendi getting roared and team fight breaking out for Roshan. | ||
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Kipsate
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Great replacement for XBOCT. | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:23 TheTenthDoc wrote: HR is going full LMAO who cares XD I think no techies pick | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:22 Kipsate wrote: Ditteyara is legit, loved him when he was on PR n stuff. Great replacement for XBOCT. Looks like an upgrade. He doesn't tilt as much as xboct. Seem to have a bigger hero pool too | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:24 DucK- wrote: Looks like an upgrade. He doesn't tilt as much as xboct. Seem to have a bigger hero pool too Well, XBOCT plays weaver, Dityara plays ember. And both can do questionable overagressive plays. | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:25 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, XBOCT plays weaver, Dityara plays ember. And both can do questionable overagressive plays. i still think dityara its a lot more "stable" than xboct | ||
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What a playa | ||
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Kipsate
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hard early midgame Spectre underfarmed and useless Spectre gets Radiance Becomes god Navi loses bar some insane Juggernaut carry. | ||
Faruko
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according to my calculations, this game doesnt matter right ? navi HAS to beat empire in 1 game either way i mean, it might matter for top1 but thats meh | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:14 Faruko wrote: not so fast my friend, if navi wins 2-0 against HR and Empire they are through Not that its going to happen lol I only care for TS and Vega to advance to China other teams are irrelevant :D | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:29 Faruko wrote: that ravage lmao, undershock according to my calculations, this game doesnt matter right ? navi HAS to beat empire in 1 game either way i mean, it might matter for top1 but thats meh Yep | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:36 eonrulz wrote: HR were doing better in fights before the Spectre got radiance... xD there is something wrong with the law of Spectre in this game | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:42 Kipsate wrote: NAvi is back At the very least I no longer watch them and think they're going to fall apart all the time | ||
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FUCK I'M HYPED | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:29 Faruko wrote: that ravage lmao, undershock according to my calculations, this game doesnt matter right ? navi HAS to beat empire in 1 game either way i mean, it might matter for top1 but thats meh Depends on tiebreak rules. If they don't automatically let the winner of the group stage bo2 past the tie winning this game would force Empire to tiebreaks after beating them since they would both have 5 points. But they probably use the bo2 winner to break ties if it was 2-0, so it probably didn't mean anything | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:45 SatsuinoHado wrote: Prepare for 2 games Razor+ES vs whatever Vega decide to pick :D Prepare for 3 games with razor es first bans :D | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:46 HammerKick wrote: Prepare for 3 games with razor es first bans :D HA you are wrong its BO 2 :D | ||
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On January 08 2016 20:43 TheTenthDoc wrote: Depends on tiebreak rules. If they don't automatically let the winner of the group stage bo2 past the tie winning this game would force Empire to tiebreaks after beating them since they would both have 5 points. But they probably use the bo2 winner to break ties if it was 2-0, so it probably didn't mean anything yes head to head will be used so navi empire cant go to tiebreaker | ||
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well | ||
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Tried to make a PUN about being wrong but not about the bans was funnier in my head ![]() | ||
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Is Razor banned?No?>>pick Razor>this game rocks Is Razor banned?Yes>>This game fucking sucks | ||
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On January 08 2016 21:10 eonrulz wrote: Ouch, 0cs at 3 mins on brood, that's never what you want to see. This is why you don't pick brood early in a draft... That's why you jungle early brood, d'uh. | ||
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On January 08 2016 21:12 lolfail9001 wrote: That's why you jungle early brood, d'uh. :D on the plus side, looks like he's managed to catch up, and Matumba and Fata are doing handily, so I guess the early game is going pretty well for Liquid! Edit: aaaand I spoke too soon, that was not the fight. #spacecreated for brood? | ||
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On January 08 2016 21:46 Saechiis wrote: Seems like they decided to start playing Matumbaman as a carry rather than a spacecreating safelaner that allows Fata to farm. That came with razor ban, d'uh. | ||
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They've been giving Matumba more farm priority in general I feel. I could be wrong but I feel they've made a team decision to let the 8k player carry them. | ||
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What. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:04 Kamisamanachi wrote: zsmj rekt LGD with his medusa earlier today...will we see another medusa winning? there is a medusa in cdec avenger vs newbee game too DC had a Medusa yesterday vs Leviathan as well. That game was a total stomp for DC though. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:05 CrazyBirdman wrote: DC had a Medusa yesterday vs Leviathan as well. That game was a total stomp for DC though. i was talking about today tho...i missed american matches from yesterday | ||
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is level 8 with 1 point in shield Went Midas I really dont like this shit. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:19 Kipsate wrote: Medusa doesn't have a Wand is level 8 with 1 point in shield Went Midas I really dont like this shit. Typical 8k Medusa. | ||
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plus Gaze+Spirits is absolutely disgusting. | ||
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newbee also just got destroyed by medusa ..lmao | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:23 uthgard wrote: balance in all things ES is in a good spot. | ||
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Literally what | ||
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lolfail9001
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Aether lens on venge. Damn, this item is more cancer than fucking glimmer cape. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:29 SkelA wrote: AC on dusa seems so bad esp with no minus armor strat from vega Well, it's AoE minus armor and that works well with DP too. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:29 lolfail9001 wrote: Wait a minute. Aether lens on venge. Damn, this item is more cancer than fucking glimmer cape. makes sense though, increasd swap range and stun is super good plus it solves any mana trouble she has for multiple stuns. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:29 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, it's AoE minus armor and that works well with DP too. I mean sure but a Skadi makes her unkilleable. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:29 Kipsate wrote: makes sense though, increasd swap range and stun is super good plus it solves any mana trouble she has for multiple stuns. That's what i mean. This item is ridiculously good on half of the hero pool. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:30 Kipsate wrote: I mean sure but a Skadi makes her unkilleable. She is already unkillable, as soon as ES gets aghs. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:29 lolfail9001 wrote: Well, it's AoE minus armor and that works well with DP too. I would rather get AC on DP and dusa gets her usual skadi manta. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:30 SkelA wrote: I would rather get AC on DP and dusa gets her usual skadi manta. AC gives more DPS than skadi for sure. And if you're unkillable anyways... why not. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:30 SkelA wrote: I would rather get AC on DP and dusa gets her usual skadi manta. yeah i'd get this too but it doesn;t seem to matter anyway games over gg | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:33 Kipsate wrote: Looks like Liquid and LGD are both the ones sho should have been invited that will destroy anyone in their path quite easily. Am i the only one feeling obligatory invitee flop at major itself? | ||
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that stuff is brutal with Spirits but I guess Aether Lens was better, its not like they lacked for dmg. | ||
Asha
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On January 08 2016 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Am i the only one feeling obligatory invitee flop at major itself? Pretty reasonable expectation given the time before the actual finals happens | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:33 Kipsate wrote: Looks like Liquid and LGD are both the ones sho should have been invited that will destroy anyone in their path quite easily. LGD over CDEC and Liquid over Alliance, I assume? IDK, I can see why it went as it did. Besides, if a team is clearly worth an invite they shouldn't have a problem qualifying. ![]() | ||
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Kipsate
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in the end it doesn't look like it will make a difference. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:36 FuzzyJAM wrote: LGD over CDEC and Liquid over Alliance, I assume? IDK, I can see why it went as it did. Besides, if a team is clearly worth an invite they shouldn't have a problem qualifying. ![]() Did CDEC really do anything since Fall major to warrant an invite though? I almost did not hear of them since then. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:38 lolfail9001 wrote: Did CDEC really do anything since Fall major to warrant an invite though? I almost did not hear of them since then. nothing..but top 6 at fall major got them an invite . | ||
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Kipsate
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they are going to need some huge ass cleave+RPs. | ||
lolfail9001
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On January 08 2016 22:41 Kipsate wrote: Empire beating the shit out of Navi right now they are going to need some huge ass cleave+RPs. Wait, do they? For some reason my stream lags behind. With that said, it's LD, LD does not win, simple as that. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Wait, do they? For some reason my stream lags behind. With that said, it's LD, LD does not win, simple as that. they were losing all their lanes quite considerably and DP+LD pushes too fast for Ember esp when Ember is behind but you know this shit can also happen. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:45 Kipsate wrote: they were losing all their lanes quite considerably and DP+LD pushes too fast for Ember esp when Ember is behind but you know this shit can also happen. Well, i see now what you meant lmao | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:39 Kamisamanachi wrote: nothing..but top 6 at fall major got them an invite . Well what would you like them to do? There have been two events since then unless I'm forgetting something. LGD is the only competition for the third Chinese invite, and both got 5th/6th at R&D. LGD outplaced CDEC at WCA, 2nd vs. 5th-8th, but IDK how much emphasis you want to put on that event, and CDEC were eliminated by 1st place Alliance in single elim anyway, so. . . I don't think their invite was all that suspect unless you want to say only two Chinese teams should have got the direct invite. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:51 SilverStar wrote: Does BTS2 have no delay or Dota2ruhub a 10 min delay? Probably livestreamer building up delay over time for me, i was ahead of you guys some hours ago. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:52 SilverStar wrote: Hmm okay, as long as BTS2 have a delay I guess it's fine otherwise... BTS2 is 5min ahead of the other streams. | ||
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That's why I am worried that they forgot to set the delay properly. If it were a couple of seconds but 5 min difference means generally something is not right. | ||
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math u can see if there is delay or not. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:58 Kipsate wrote: Spectate ingame compare timers math u can see if there is delay or not. Let me just install dota at work real quick. | ||
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On January 08 2016 22:59 SilverStar wrote: Let me just install dota at work real quick. O/ also at work arent we working hard. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:02 eonrulz wrote: What's happening in Empire-Na'vi? Am on a train and only have my phone to Internet Train fucking wreck of a gank on DP on my delayed stream. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:02 eonrulz wrote: What's happening in Empire-Na'vi? Am on a train and only have my phone to Internet Empire seems to be winning, but Na'Vi has Ember + Magnus so they might be able to hold on for a while. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:02 eonrulz wrote: What's happening in Empire-Na'vi? Am on a train and only have my phone to Internet na'vi had a string of good engagements to wrest some control back but empire just won a massive fight with teh remnants of exorcism and lone druid to threaten t3 immediately close match but could spiral out of control for na'vi if they take another bad fight | ||
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LysanderXonora: for delay I don't know how BTS can be still so incompetent.... | ||
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that means Winter casting?! | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:25 Kipsate wrote: in other news Winter is out that means Winter casting?! I really hope volvo will invite him this time. Just kick Pyrion Nahaz or whoever. | ||
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Ride or die. | ||
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WP Empire | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:34 lacho_u wrote: so in empire beat navi they advance ? direct result right ? Yeah whoever wins the second game places second in the group,advancing to the playoffs | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:34 lacho_u wrote: so in empire beat navi they advance ? direct result right ? Whoever wins this takes 2nd in the group. Empire actually ties with Na'vi for points but wins on Tiebreaker. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:34 lacho_u wrote: so in empire beat navi they advance ? direct result right ? Yeah they are even in score. Whoever wins advances and loser is out. However if they tie, there has to be a tiebreaker. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:35 SilverStar wrote: Yeah they are even in score. Whoever wins advances and loser is out. However if they tie, there has to be a tiebreaker. Wait, i forgot that Navi has 1 more point. Empire has to win next game to tie Navi in points. | ||
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if Navi loses this they have 5 points as they get zero from this series, Empire gets 2 because they won 2-0 (3>5 points) Both equal on points but in the h2h Empire takes it over Navi and thus knocks navi out right? | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:37 lolfail9001 wrote: I am almost certain Navi wins on Team Spirit tiebreaker if they tie. If Navi win next game they advance, what a tiebreaker Empire will be with 4 points Navi with 6, if they lose the are fucked. What a shame | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:39 lacho_u wrote: If Navi win next game they advance, what a tiebreaker Empire will be with 4 points Navi with 6, if they lose the are fucked. What a shame I edited it out in time. Or so i thought :D | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:56 Asha wrote: The push is back boys TI4 hype. With that said, Navi lost, Dendi on Death Prophet -_- EDIT: Nvm, confused sides. Navi still lost, cause Zeus Dendi. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:58 unsaeglich wrote: can someone explain me how there are 100k russian viewers and 30k english. is dota really only in russia popular ? It's fucking Navi who somehow started to play well. Those attract about any CIS viewer that heard of them and that's about every dota player in CIS. And dota is really fucking popular in CIS. | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:58 unsaeglich wrote: can someone explain me how there are 100k russian viewers and 30k english. is dota really only in russia popular ? Dota is massive in the CIS region and this is Na'Vi aka the biggest team in CIS dota (even if they have been shti for ages) vs the 2nd biggest team in CIS dota (who happen to have 2 ex Na'VI members playing for them) | ||
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On January 08 2016 23:59 Asha wrote: Dota is massive in the CIS region and this is between the 2 biggst CIS orgs in Dota history I am 100% certain VP is bigger than Empire. So, i would say 2 of the biggest instead. | ||
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but yeah Dota is super popular in CIS, one of the last bastions that hasn't been conquered by League. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:00 lolfail9001 wrote: I am 100% certain VP is bigger than Empire. So, i would say 2 of the biggest instead. I wouldn't be so sure.I think Vp have more followers among western fans but among Russian viewers there wouldn't be much between the two. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:04 Kipsate wrote: NAvi has to snowball hardcore Power of 17% | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:04 Zeelah wrote: I wouldn't be so sure.I think Vp have more followers among western fans but among Russian viewers there wouldn't be much between the two. I mean, organization-wise. Fanbase wise, they are definitely similar. | ||
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Eh. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:27 Taf the Ghost wrote: Eul's + Exorcism is pretty damn powerful. Also siphon | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:28 Angeloidus wrote: A mistake from Na'Vi to focus WK instead of DP. Yeah, but nonetheless DP is bullshit | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:28 Taf the Ghost wrote: Lina can kill a hero that's Eul's up, right? Ya mean? No, laguna won't damage a target in euls. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:31 lacho_u wrote: navi will lose this, their lategame sux hard I don't think so, but a lot depends on getting good AA ults. AA + Zeus is a pretty mean combo throughout the game. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:31 lacho_u wrote: navi will lose this, their lategame sux hard You underrate their lategame. | ||
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Hmm, bara is almost useless lategame, it's not that I'm underastimating their lategame really. But DP + WK + TUSK + Venge has a lot more potencial imo. Still I'm rooting for Navi but it will be hard. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:35 cloudstr wrote: you mean overrate? bc their late game indeed sux hard You dare to say that about AA+Zeus + Naix against WK of all heroes? The only useless lategame unit there is BH. Tusk is real though. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:36 lacho_u wrote: Hmm, bara is almost useless lategame, it's not that I'm underastimating their lategame really. But DP + WK + TUSK + Venge has a lot more potencial imo. Still I'm rooting for Navi but it will be hard. You just called bkb piercing stuns useless lategame. what. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:37 lolfail9001 wrote: You dare to say that about AA+Zeus + Naix against WK of all heroes? The only useless lategame unit there is BH. Tusk is real though. it's all depends that how you play | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:37 lolfail9001 wrote: You just called bkb piercing stuns useless lategame. what. I'm not gonna try to convince you, just watch the game we can discuss it after. It's nice to have piercing bkb stun, but when you don't have a hero to do dmg to the stunned hero, you are pretty fucked ? | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:39 lacho_u wrote: I'm not gonna try to convince you, just watch the game we can discuss it after. It's nice to have piercing bkb stun, but when you don't have a hero to do dmg to the stunned hero, you are pretty fucked ? I heard Naix is pretty good at dealing with stunned heroes, especially since he can use Bara to bring him right next to the said stunned heroes, but what do I know... | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:40 Salazarz wrote: I heard Naix is pretty good at dealing with stunned heroes, especially since he can use Bara to bring him right next to the said stunned heroes, but what do I know... You've got a point, it's maybe just me didn't like bara | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:41 lacho_u wrote: You've got a point, it's maybe just me didn't like bara The problem with this particular Bara is he has a useless shadowblade; had he completed his bkb a while ago instead he'd be way more useful | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:42 Kipsate wrote: CHen is very powerful against Zeus and I think they have a Pipe? and Lifestealer is Lifestealer. AA is very powerful against Chen too. With that said... Venge swap is a game winner apparently. And DP is bullshit. | ||
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Zeus will nuke through it eventually but they don't have that luxury. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:46 Skynx wrote: Navi is definitely not back Half of Navi is. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:46 bardtown wrote: Comeback gold is ridiculous. Win 10 fights then lose 1 = lose game. Navi have won exactly 0 fights this game. Any proper teamfight ended up with DP killing everyone. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:14 Salazarz wrote: I miss having XBOCT on Na'Vi, but damn I don't miss Feed1k at all;; what the hell is this really :-? | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:46 lacho_u wrote: really really sad, outdrafted I suppose. It's time to release everyone except Sonneiko And Dendi and Artstyle | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:46 bardtown wrote: Comeback gold is ridiculous. Win 10 fights then lose 1 = lose game. what? they have lifestealer. you don't pick N'aix. you pick N'aix when you are through or out and can fuck around! | ||
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Thats three heroes doing very little in fights. I'm pretty sure that team could be 5-10k ahead in networth and still have inferior teamfight than Empires lineups. Navi needed a Mek and more objectives, less pickoffs. 10 venge kills means nothing. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:51 Kreb wrote: This was a lot on the draft really. Lots of cute pickoffs with bara/bh/naix. But honestly their teamfight was very lackluster apart from Zeus. Bara and BH falls of hard with only mediocre single target damage lategame, and Naix isnt a hero unless he gets to kill something in his rage. And how do u kill something against Tusk, Venge and Force staves? Thats three heroes doing very little in fights. I'm pretty sure that team could be 5-10k ahead in networth and still have inferior teamfight than Empires lineups. Navi needed a Mek and more objectives, less pickoffs. 10 venge kills means nothing. Stop blaming draft everytime. Navi completely missed their opportunity to win the game out of pure snowball. They could have won without few mistakes. | ||
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What? He played like shit this game, it's not exactly rocket science to snowball an ultiing death prophet. How many offlaners do you see give up 3+ kills to a SOLO hero during laning? | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:47 Faruko wrote: i guess we found the new ho ho ha ha of 6.86c DP A better team with the lead Na'Vi had would have crushed that game.You can tell by some of the Empire guys on twitter,they can't believe they won that game | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:52 lolfail9001 wrote: LMAO Resolution's tweet. Share with the class. ![]() | ||
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"These games are actually just two disabled people smacking each other with their crutches xD but it turned out so epic" | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:09 Salazarz wrote: "These games are actually just two disabled people smacking each other with their crutches xD but it turned out so epic" lmao Paralympic Dota. | ||
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On January 09 2016 00:49 Faruko wrote: on one side, i think this is the best navi since puppey left and they threw the first game, on another side, will be that enough in the future ? i kinda like this line up, but im not sure about it Lineup looka decent but Artstyle and funn1k are not the bedt of individual players right now, Dendi is mediocrish but fine. It will be a good t2 team capeable of taking off games but I dont see it become world class anytime or even t1 soon Still, much better then before. For the record I understand they need Artstyle despite his individual play. | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:17 Kipsate wrote: Lineup looka decent but Artstyle and funn1k are not the bedt of individual players right now, Dendi is mediocrish but fine. It will be a good t2 team capeable of taking off games but I dont see it become world class anytime or even t1 soon Still, much better then before. For the record I understand they need Artstyle despite his individual play. Funn1k is on empire tho. | ||
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what's the condition for either team to qualify with the rest of the matches left | ||
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Finally. | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:29 goody153 wrote: wait is liquidpedia correct ? lc about to qualify over vega what's the condition for either team to qualify with the rest of the matches left They meet each other... The winner makes it. There could be a 3 way tie with RoxKis though | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:29 goody153 wrote: wait is liquidpedia correct ? lc about to qualify over vega what's the condition for either team to qualify with the rest of the matches left Too much up in the air still. But LC vs Vega could turn into an effective Bo3 for a spot. Though there's a possible of further ties. So we'll see. | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:32 SFDuality wrote: Uh, Liquid? You OK? Yeah I was wondering that too. | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:43 SFDuality wrote: Jerax's net worth just keeps going down. I wonder if he'll ever cross 3k net worth this game. He did it! | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:51 Daray wrote: Why would this caster speculate what happened if she didn't see what happened? Your mistake is watching bts. | ||
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On January 09 2016 02:02 SFDuality wrote: I think this is the most right-click damage I've ever seen on a QOP. Watching third of Illidan's HP dissipate in a hit was fun. | ||
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"Women, children and elders-> TO CHURCH. Everyone else: rise your words and go fight for the glory of CIS dota... for 46 minutes". | ||
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On January 09 2016 02:08 Ragoo wrote: I think I'll switch to Pimpmuckl and Sunsfan for game 2. And that's a horrible caster duo... Which stream is that? | ||
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MoonduckTV I think. You can see it in the top right. | ||
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On January 09 2016 01:33 Taf the Ghost wrote: Too much up in the air still. But LC vs Vega could turn into an effective Bo3 for a spot. Though there's a possible of further ties. So we'll see. On January 09 2016 01:32 Furikawari wrote: They meet each other... The winner makes it. There could be a 3 way tie with RoxKis though ok ty | ||
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you can pull it through still! EDIT: Game is hard | ||
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On January 09 2016 02:58 Vaelone wrote: I mean this is a good time for TL to get all the throws out of their system, don't think this game is that meaningful? But what if it becomes a habit? There's a definite pattern to the Liquid games in this qualifier. | ||
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On January 09 2016 02:58 Vaelone wrote: I mean this is a good time for TL to get all the throws out of their system, don't think this game is that meaningful? If this is a throw then every game with a team getting a good advantage and losing is a throw. Getting caught in the river with that angle is both luck and good positioning from Elements, theres is nothing Liquid could have really done differently. | ||
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On January 09 2016 03:02 Diavlo wrote: If this is a throw then every game with a team getting a good advantage and losing is a throw. Getting caught in the river with that angle is both luck and good positioning from Elements, theres is nothing Liquid could have really done differently. Losing a teamfight isn't the end of the world, but in every game it seems like they just bleed kills afterwards for the next 10 minutes. I don't understand it at all. | ||
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On January 09 2016 03:04 SFDuality wrote: Losing a teamfight isn't the end of the world, but in every game it seems like they just bleed kills afterwards for the next 10 minutes. I don't understand it at all. They play against teams that scale better late, if they lose a big teamfights they to try to make things happen and play riskier which makes sense because there is urgency. It didn't work yesterday, it seem to be working right now. | ||
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On January 09 2016 03:23 mahrgell wrote: so, will the liquipedia stuff figure out if it is 3-1-0 scoring or 2-1-0 scoring? Right now on Liquidpedia EU is scored 3-1-0, while the other 3 qualifiers are scored 2-1-0. It's 2-1-0. Someone changed all the pages to 3-1-0, but that has now been fixed | ||
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On January 09 2016 06:47 LethalBacon wrote: What happened with LC? Stomped brutally by Vega? Poor BabyKnight he is really trying to get far but he seems to be less lucky than with sc2 lol he probably shouldn't have switched games in the first place | ||
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