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konadora
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Wait a second, support clock!?
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On August 08 2015 03:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
Wait a second, support clock!?
i think its a role swap
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On August 08 2015 03:09 parano1d_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:03 stuchiu wrote:On August 08 2015 03:02 parano1d_ wrote:On August 08 2015 03:01 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Earthshaker is the hero of the tournament Pretty sure thats lina Storms been good too. Well yeah storm has been picked a lot. But lina is the most picked (26 games) and has 65% winrate
Winrate stats like that don't mean that much. It really depends on what teams have had the opportunity to pick it up, how the execute, and how it works into their strategy.
(Obviously in the long run if its significantly different than the rest of the heroes it might mean something, but I still think its depends more on the team that picks it)
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On August 08 2015 02:57 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:47 shad2810 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:46 Azarkon wrote:On August 08 2015 02:44 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:43 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 02:11 shad2810 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:09 Shergal wrote:
I think the whole "Azarkon vs China" thing started when everyone at the west got traumatized by EHOME stomping through ESWC 2010. That's what started the divide between the Chinese Dota fanboys and those who hated them/thought it was a fluke. Say, what actually did happen and how azarkon became azarkon that he is today? ESWC 2010 was when EHOME showed up and Western teams were talking mad shit about how they were going to smash the Chinese teams with Slardar/mass blink strats. Then EHOME showed up and rolled them with things like 7 minute daggers on Lion (MMY or X! at the time basically rolled over every mid player with his eyes closed),defensive farming tri-lanes (which no one had ever executed at that level; there were tri-lanes but they were aggressive all-in push lanes), and overall just superior mechanical/strategic play that whole tournament. EHOME was like literally universes apart from the EU/NA scene at the time. Essentially, you had pros playing against a bunch of amateurs. It was quite funny how bad the stomping was actually, only TEG managed to put up a good fight. And somehow that alone caused 5 years of salt? No. He has no idea what he's talking about. I was a fan of Ehome 2010. Those who actually remember me back then will know that. I'm not going to explain because it's too long and I want to watch the game. Please do explain what happen after game 1. The funny thing is azarkon isn't lying about being a fan
He is lying about the whole East vs West debate, he was clearly on the side of the West.
+ Show Spoiler + I said before that if Ehome 3-0's DTS, I'm going to admit that China is the best, and I'm going to make good on that statement - Post ESWC 2010
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Oh its time for a comcast service outage?
edit: nvm
sf 44% win rate in groups. 28% in main event. ocuh
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On August 08 2015 03:08 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:05 konadora wrote:
anyone else think dazzle is such an overrated support?
if the carry can actually do something during the 5 seconds of grave, you probably dont need grave at that point and just require glimmer capes and guardian greaves, which other supports can buy (and probably easier too, since they probably have better farming abilities)
also dazzle has his poison touch completely ignored, meaning dazzle is basically a 3 skill hero that doesnt provide as much as say, a gyro does His weave is a game fight winning skill if properly placed. And Grave means that other teams can't pick burst centric line-ups.
but my point is, grave can be replaced with solar crest and glimmer cape, meaning dazzle can be replaced with other supports with better utility, maybe even cm
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Is this tourney the death of Shadow Fiend picking in the pro scene?
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Yeah dem stats just show to me that teams highly overrate SF.
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On August 08 2015 03:10 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:08 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 03:05 konadora wrote:
anyone else think dazzle is such an overrated support?
if the carry can actually do something during the 5 seconds of grave, you probably dont need grave at that point and just require glimmer capes and guardian greaves, which other supports can buy (and probably easier too, since they probably have better farming abilities)
also dazzle has his poison touch completely ignored, meaning dazzle is basically a 3 skill hero that doesnt provide as much as say, a gyro does His weave is a game fight winning skill if properly placed. And Grave means that other teams can't pick burst centric line-ups. but my point is, grave can be replaced with solar crest and glimmer cape, meaning dazzle can be replaced with other supports with better utility, maybe even cm
Dazzle counters Lina who is a pretty hot pick right now.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 08 2015 03:10 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:08 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 03:05 konadora wrote:
anyone else think dazzle is such an overrated support?
if the carry can actually do something during the 5 seconds of grave, you probably dont need grave at that point and just require glimmer capes and guardian greaves, which other supports can buy (and probably easier too, since they probably have better farming abilities)
also dazzle has his poison touch completely ignored, meaning dazzle is basically a 3 skill hero that doesnt provide as much as say, a gyro does His weave is a game fight winning skill if properly placed. And Grave means that other teams can't pick burst centric line-ups. but my point is, grave can be replaced with solar crest and glimmer cape, meaning dazzle can be replaced with other supports with better utility, maybe even cm
grave can't really be replaced by any of that.
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On August 08 2015 03:08 Frazzlehoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:06 bluzi wrote:On August 08 2015 03:04 vommy wrote:On August 08 2015 03:03 konadora wrote:
you know what heroes i miss?
magnus and invoker Ye, Invoker is always fun to watch. Also what happened to Death Prophet? you cant pick a mid who can do things only with ulti up , and towers dont worth the same so its less profitable to push early like it was before. I'd actually disagree. I feel like DP could be a niche pick (similar to VG vs EHOME game 1) Pugna. If teams bring out the hero against the correct lineup, DP could still be a really strong pick.
i think it's also because of how DP's ult works
it's slow chip damage over time, not an instagib burst
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DP certainly could be a niche pick. You would need a lineup that can stack like crazy and repel attempts to go on her. Maybe with a Naga support, and I don't know what else.
She's terrible in this meta because Leshrac does what she does a lot better but thing is, Leshrac can't be played.
Still, she's in a real bad place as a hero.
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On August 08 2015 03:10 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:57 bagels21 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:47 shad2810 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:46 Azarkon wrote:On August 08 2015 02:44 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:43 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 02:11 shad2810 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:09 Shergal wrote:
I think the whole "Azarkon vs China" thing started when everyone at the west got traumatized by EHOME stomping through ESWC 2010. That's what started the divide between the Chinese Dota fanboys and those who hated them/thought it was a fluke. Say, what actually did happen and how azarkon became azarkon that he is today? ESWC 2010 was when EHOME showed up and Western teams were talking mad shit about how they were going to smash the Chinese teams with Slardar/mass blink strats. Then EHOME showed up and rolled them with things like 7 minute daggers on Lion (MMY or X! at the time basically rolled over every mid player with his eyes closed),defensive farming tri-lanes (which no one had ever executed at that level; there were tri-lanes but they were aggressive all-in push lanes), and overall just superior mechanical/strategic play that whole tournament. EHOME was like literally universes apart from the EU/NA scene at the time. Essentially, you had pros playing against a bunch of amateurs. It was quite funny how bad the stomping was actually, only TEG managed to put up a good fight. And somehow that alone caused 5 years of salt? No. He has no idea what he's talking about. I was a fan of Ehome 2010. Those who actually remember me back then will know that. I'm not going to explain because it's too long and I want to watch the game. Please do explain what happen after game 1. The funny thing is azarkon isn't lying about being a fan He is lying about the whole East vs West debate, he was clearly on the side of the West. + Show Spoiler + I said before that if Ehome 3-0's DTS, I'm going to admit that China is the best, and I'm going to make good on that statement - Post ESWC 2010
I was on the side of the West before Ehome won, but in no way was I on the side of the West after it.
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On August 08 2015 03:11 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:10 konadora wrote:On August 08 2015 03:08 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 03:05 konadora wrote:
anyone else think dazzle is such an overrated support?
if the carry can actually do something during the 5 seconds of grave, you probably dont need grave at that point and just require glimmer capes and guardian greaves, which other supports can buy (and probably easier too, since they probably have better farming abilities)
also dazzle has his poison touch completely ignored, meaning dazzle is basically a 3 skill hero that doesnt provide as much as say, a gyro does His weave is a game fight winning skill if properly placed. And Grave means that other teams can't pick burst centric line-ups. but my point is, grave can be replaced with solar crest and glimmer cape, meaning dazzle can be replaced with other supports with better utility, maybe even cm Dazzle counters Lina who is a pretty hot pick right now.
mmm maybe i just dont like a 1 hero to direct counter another hero thing, just my personal preference haha
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lets go LGD oh please
On August 08 2015 03:12 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:10 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 02:57 bagels21 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:47 shad2810 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:46 Azarkon wrote:On August 08 2015 02:44 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:43 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 02:11 shad2810 wrote:On August 08 2015 02:09 Shergal wrote:
I think the whole "Azarkon vs China" thing started when everyone at the west got traumatized by EHOME stomping through ESWC 2010. That's what started the divide between the Chinese Dota fanboys and those who hated them/thought it was a fluke. Say, what actually did happen and how azarkon became azarkon that he is today? ESWC 2010 was when EHOME showed up and Western teams were talking mad shit about how they were going to smash the Chinese teams with Slardar/mass blink strats. Then EHOME showed up and rolled them with things like 7 minute daggers on Lion (MMY or X! at the time basically rolled over every mid player with his eyes closed),defensive farming tri-lanes (which no one had ever executed at that level; there were tri-lanes but they were aggressive all-in push lanes), and overall just superior mechanical/strategic play that whole tournament. EHOME was like literally universes apart from the EU/NA scene at the time. Essentially, you had pros playing against a bunch of amateurs. It was quite funny how bad the stomping was actually, only TEG managed to put up a good fight. And somehow that alone caused 5 years of salt? No. He has no idea what he's talking about. I was a fan of Ehome 2010. Those who actually remember me back then will know that. I'm not going to explain because it's too long and I want to watch the game. Please do explain what happen after game 1. The funny thing is azarkon isn't lying about being a fan He is lying about the whole East vs West debate, he was clearly on the side of the West. + Show Spoiler + I said before that if Ehome 3-0's DTS, I'm going to admit that China is the best, and I'm going to make good on that statement - Post ESWC 2010 I was on the side of the West before Ehome won, but in no way was I on the side of the West after it.
you know this sound like some PTSD that scarred you for life lol
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
What is up with xiao8 jumping roles last days. He moved from 4 to 5 in CDEC match and is now back to 3rd position he used to be in Newbee.
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On August 08 2015 03:12 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 03:11 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 03:10 konadora wrote:On August 08 2015 03:08 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 03:05 konadora wrote:
anyone else think dazzle is such an overrated support?
if the carry can actually do something during the 5 seconds of grave, you probably dont need grave at that point and just require glimmer capes and guardian greaves, which other supports can buy (and probably easier too, since they probably have better farming abilities)
also dazzle has his poison touch completely ignored, meaning dazzle is basically a 3 skill hero that doesnt provide as much as say, a gyro does His weave is a game fight winning skill if properly placed. And Grave means that other teams can't pick burst centric line-ups. but my point is, grave can be replaced with solar crest and glimmer cape, meaning dazzle can be replaced with other supports with better utility, maybe even cm Dazzle counters Lina who is a pretty hot pick right now. mmm maybe i just dont like a 1 hero to direct counter another hero thing, just my personal preference haha
Thing is Euls is a one-item counter to Shallow Grave and is 100% core on Lina. If she's not setting up a kill with it she can finish one.
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United States13143 Posts
On August 08 2015 03:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
Wait a second, support clock!?
we 2014(or was it 2013) VP
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EPT
