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DV G
Profile Joined September 2012
Argentina2339 Posts
August 07 2015 01:11 GMT
#4481
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.
Go pro or die trying
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 07 2015 01:11 GMT
#4482
don't understand this game, scared for vg
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Neazbo
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom698 Posts
August 07 2015 01:11 GMT
#4483
I'm too tired to try and even figure out who has the better draft. Ah who am I kidding, I'd be clueless anyway. Who do you guys think has the better draft?
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
August 07 2015 01:11 GMT
#4484
Come on EHOME, do it for rOtk's grandmother!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 07 2015 01:12 GMT
#4485
On August 07 2015 10:11 plasmidghost wrote:
Come on EHOME, do it for rOtk's grandmother!

Yeah seriously. Real tear-jerking story.
kiss kiss fall in love
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
August 07 2015 01:12 GMT
#4486
On August 07 2015 10:11 Neazbo wrote:
I'm too tired to try and even figure out who has the better draft. Ah who am I kidding, I'd be clueless anyway. Who do you guys think has the better draft?

I like VG draft more, they can play quite well around global silence. I just hope they don't fight recklessly.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
August 07 2015 01:12 GMT
#4487
On August 07 2015 10:11 DV G wrote:
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.

it's also nearing the painzone for EU timezones, so it might be both things
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 07 2015 01:12 GMT
#4488
On August 07 2015 10:11 DV G wrote:
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.


for sure. guaranteed that viewership overall dropped by about 25% or more.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 01:12:48
August 07 2015 01:12 GMT
#4489
On August 07 2015 10:06 babysimba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 09:54 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:52 babysimba wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:47 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
I think you're confused. They are obviously talking about iG vs Secret game 1 in which s4 went for shiva over hex against Burning AM.

Yes, and I'm saying 20 minutes before that item choice ever came up, Arteezy could have gone a not-Eul's item on SF, and they would have ended the game before s4 even had the choice to make between Shiva and Hex.

The only reason it went that late is because Eul's isn't an item that lets you break lanes. It lets you farm and solo kill outside the base but does nothing when you're actually trying to get into the base.

I disagree. Mek was bought by tusk anyway. Eul blink allowed him to pressure AM and push in lanes aggressively for map control.

AM never really gets pressured by the Eul's solo kill potential (Burning basically was never threatened by it whatsoever) and putting the Mek on SF allows an earlier blink on Tusk which actually IS a threat to AM, unlike a Eul's+BoTs SF.

Eul's+Blink+Travels is basically 7k gold in items that don't help you kill towers. They help you farm a lot, but you're artificially prolonging a game that you very clearly don't actually want to prolong.

He didn't get travels. If getting skadi blink euls + bloodstone orchid before AM can even complete manta and bkb on gryo can't end the game, the problem obviously lie in their execution

"Or RTZ could get items that can right-click towers instead of Euls/Blink and make execution 10x easier"
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
August 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#4490
On August 07 2015 10:12 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 10:11 DV G wrote:
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.


for sure. guaranteed that viewership overall dropped by about 25% or more.

also it's 3am in europe

the last few series always have less traffic
Liquipedia
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
August 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#4491
Wow secret lost. gg.

At least we can't get stomped by them in the finals again.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#4492
On August 07 2015 10:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 10:06 babysimba wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:54 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:52 babysimba wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:47 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
I think you're confused. They are obviously talking about iG vs Secret game 1 in which s4 went for shiva over hex against Burning AM.

Yes, and I'm saying 20 minutes before that item choice ever came up, Arteezy could have gone a not-Eul's item on SF, and they would have ended the game before s4 even had the choice to make between Shiva and Hex.

The only reason it went that late is because Eul's isn't an item that lets you break lanes. It lets you farm and solo kill outside the base but does nothing when you're actually trying to get into the base.

I disagree. Mek was bought by tusk anyway. Eul blink allowed him to pressure AM and push in lanes aggressively for map control.

AM never really gets pressured by the Eul's solo kill potential (Burning basically was never threatened by it whatsoever) and putting the Mek on SF allows an earlier blink on Tusk which actually IS a threat to AM, unlike a Eul's+BoTs SF.

Eul's+Blink+Travels is basically 7k gold in items that don't help you kill towers. They help you farm a lot, but you're artificially prolonging a game that you very clearly don't actually want to prolong.

He didn't get travels. If getting skadi blink euls + bloodstone orchid before AM can even complete manta and bkb on gryo can't end the game, the problem obviously lie in their execution

"Or RTZ could get items that can right-click towers instead of Euls/Blink and make execution 10x easier"

And AM can split push harder which makes it harder for high ground. The argument never ends.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
August 07 2015 01:14 GMT
#4493
On August 07 2015 10:10 Elyvilon wrote:
antimage vs silencer

full FUCK MAGIC going on here

wow F word coming from elyvilon !
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#4494
On August 07 2015 10:14 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 10:12 trinxified wrote:
On August 07 2015 10:11 DV G wrote:
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.


for sure. guaranteed that viewership overall dropped by about 25% or more.

also it's 3am in europe

the last few series always have less traffic

That's true. But I'm staying up because I don't wanna miss the all-star game
EZ4ENCE
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
August 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#4495
On August 07 2015 10:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 10:06 babysimba wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:54 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:52 babysimba wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:47 TheYango wrote:
On August 07 2015 09:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
I think you're confused. They are obviously talking about iG vs Secret game 1 in which s4 went for shiva over hex against Burning AM.

Yes, and I'm saying 20 minutes before that item choice ever came up, Arteezy could have gone a not-Eul's item on SF, and they would have ended the game before s4 even had the choice to make between Shiva and Hex.

The only reason it went that late is because Eul's isn't an item that lets you break lanes. It lets you farm and solo kill outside the base but does nothing when you're actually trying to get into the base.

I disagree. Mek was bought by tusk anyway. Eul blink allowed him to pressure AM and push in lanes aggressively for map control.

AM never really gets pressured by the Eul's solo kill potential (Burning basically was never threatened by it whatsoever) and putting the Mek on SF allows an earlier blink on Tusk which actually IS a threat to AM, unlike a Eul's+BoTs SF.

Eul's+Blink+Travels is basically 7k gold in items that don't help you kill towers. They help you farm a lot, but you're artificially prolonging a game that you very clearly don't actually want to prolong.

He didn't get travels. If getting skadi blink euls + bloodstone orchid before AM can even complete manta and bkb on gryo can't end the game, the problem obviously lie in their execution

"Or RTZ could get items that can right-click towers instead of Euls/Blink and make execution 10x easier"


I think it's easier to just blame Secret's downfall to S4. Too many games where he didn't perform well at all. Bad item choices, getting caught out, no farm, etc.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-07 01:15:39
August 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#4496
The fact that Burning didn't die a single time after laning and stayed as high as he did on net worth should be indicative enough of the fact that Blink+Eul's had zero impact on his ability to split-push.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 07 2015 01:15 GMT
#4497
On August 07 2015 10:14 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2015 10:12 trinxified wrote:
On August 07 2015 10:11 DV G wrote:
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.


for sure. guaranteed that viewership overall dropped by about 25% or more.

also it's 3am in europe

the last few series always have less traffic

The EG game last night was slow too, because it was late even in the East US.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
August 07 2015 01:16 GMT
#4498
On August 07 2015 10:11 DV G wrote:
Amazing how slowly this thread is going now that Team Secret lost.

Damn Bandwagoners and their traffic.

I'm still here.

rip Secret though.
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 07 2015 01:16 GMT
#4499
On August 07 2015 10:15 trinxified wrote:
I think it's easier to just blame Secret's downfall to S4. Too many games where he didn't perform well at all. Bad item choices, getting caught out, no farm, etc.

Sure, but the idea that Arteezy was "too good" for Secret *as a whole* is ludicrous.

Yeah he played better than s4, but so did the other 3 players on Secret.
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 07 2015 01:16 GMT
#4500
While totally sacing the entire team's farm because they are just 5 manning all the time. If anything he should just get bkb after blink euls and just brute force high ground with their initiation.
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