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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
February 02 2015 09:55 GMT
#1021
On February 02 2015 18:54 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:53 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:51 DarkReign_ wrote:
The problem with VG's late game decision is Black.
Mistake upon mistake by him cost VG a lot of games

it was really hard for black when 3 heroes of the opponent team can blow you up once you get caught ..


then it means FY got drafted into a corner


well they did 3rd pick sniper which was incredibly questionable.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 09:55:49
February 02 2015 09:55 GMT
#1022
While back had issues that game, it was a super hard game for a Sniper (not to mention 3rd pick), new QoP, Clock and SF (with Euls/Blink build) can kill him in a matter of seconds

Not to mention Super was failing left and right with his Axe
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
February 02 2015 09:55 GMT
#1023
On February 02 2015 18:48 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:45 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:43 Azarkon wrote:
They won't choke. VG are the chokers.

they ain't invincible yow .. VG can take a series of Secret i think.


In theory, yes. In practice, it greatly favors Secret. VG has shown themselves to be chokers when they're challenged to the core of their being by opponents of equal/greater caliber.


Alright... and you are basing it off a bad day... VG is a championship team (RTZ said it himself).

If anything Secret has never taken a series off VG yet. The semi finals will be interesting.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 02 2015 09:55 GMT
#1024
On February 02 2015 18:54 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:53 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:51 DarkReign_ wrote:
The problem with VG's late game decision is Black.
Mistake upon mistake by him cost VG a lot of games

it was really hard for black when 3 heroes of the opponent team can blow you up once you get caught ..


then it means FY got drafted into a corner

i think that's a horrible way to describe a 3rd pick sniper... like "oh no these 4 heroes from the first phase... these 8 bans... i need sniper now! he's the only hero that works here!"
posting on liquid sites in current year
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 09:58:20
February 02 2015 09:56 GMT
#1025
On February 02 2015 18:50 goody153 wrote:



dat blacks face tells a whole of story.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
February 02 2015 09:56 GMT
#1026
On February 02 2015 18:55 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:47 lolfail9001 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:46 Ragnarork wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:44 lolfail9001 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:43 Ragnarork wrote:
By the way, why "throw"... ? VG just got outclassed in the mid-to-late game IMHO... :/

Because they had sizeable lead and threw it away. The very definition of throw.


You can lose your lead without "throwing" you know...
And seriously, I don't think VG just went from playing well to playing completely bad tbh.

Ok, if you lose it in rather bursty manner, it is a throw, if you slowly lose it, that's outplay/outdraft


That's still not true.

The game can come down to one fight that you can lose without it being a throw.

True, but that game is called an even game, if one fight decides all with both sides having means to win it.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
February 02 2015 09:57 GMT
#1027
On February 02 2015 18:55 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:48 Azarkon wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:45 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:43 Azarkon wrote:
They won't choke. VG are the chokers.

they ain't invincible yow .. VG can take a series of Secret i think.


In theory, yes. In practice, it greatly favors Secret. VG has shown themselves to be chokers when they're challenged to the core of their being by opponents of equal/greater caliber.


Alright... and you are basing it off a bad day... VG is a championship team (RTZ said it himself).

If anything Secret has never taken a series off VG yet. The semi finals will be interesting.


The old Secret, yea.

The old Secret won't have gone 15-0 in DAC.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
February 02 2015 09:57 GMT
#1028
On February 02 2015 18:55 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:48 Azarkon wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:45 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:43 Azarkon wrote:
They won't choke. VG are the chokers.

they ain't invincible yow .. VG can take a series of Secret i think.


In theory, yes. In practice, it greatly favors Secret. VG has shown themselves to be chokers when they're challenged to the core of their being by opponents of equal/greater caliber.


Alright... and you are basing it off a bad day... VG is a championship team (RTZ said it himself).

If anything Secret has never taken a series off VG yet. The semi finals will be interesting.

That was when Secret had to play every match 4v5

now its 5v5
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
February 02 2015 09:58 GMT
#1029
On February 02 2015 18:55 rebdomine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:54 ref4 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:53 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:51 DarkReign_ wrote:
The problem with VG's late game decision is Black.
Mistake upon mistake by him cost VG a lot of games

it was really hard for black when 3 heroes of the opponent team can blow you up once you get caught ..


then it means FY got drafted into a corner


well they did 3rd pick sniper which was incredibly questionable.

yah pretty much
this is a quote
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 09:59:37
February 02 2015 09:58 GMT
#1030
Rather than saying that it's Black^'s fault that VG's late-game is not up to par, I'd venture that VG as a team simply needs someone who can give them better late-game decision making and as of now and the foreseeable future, Black^ is the most expendable out of VG's 5 players.

Fy & Fenrir are kings of early-game tempo control and all-round great supports
iceiceice is a great space-maker, huge hero pool; even taking into account his potential to feed, it's hard to find an 'upgrade' in the offlane.

It's really between Super and Black^ atm, and rn it's tipping in favour towards Super with his better past record + recent performances. (and I says this even though it really pisses me off when Super goes sleepwalking in games =-=;
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
February 02 2015 09:58 GMT
#1031
On February 02 2015 18:55 Faruko wrote:
While back had issues that game, it was a super hard game for a Sniper (not to mention 3rd pick), new QoP, Clock and SF (with Euls/Blink build) can kill him in a matter of seconds

Not to mention Super was failing left and right with his Axe


Black seemingly has issues every game that VG loses.

Maybe Black is the issue himself.
ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
February 02 2015 09:58 GMT
#1032
On February 02 2015 18:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:54 ref4 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:53 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:51 DarkReign_ wrote:
The problem with VG's late game decision is Black.
Mistake upon mistake by him cost VG a lot of games

it was really hard for black when 3 heroes of the opponent team can blow you up once you get caught ..


then it means FY got drafted into a corner

i think that's a horrible way to describe a 3rd pick sniper... like "oh no these 4 heroes from the first phase... these 8 bans... i need sniper now! he's the only hero that works here!"


I didn't watch the draft, was Viper banned in that game? I think FY wants the Sniper to bully the SF, but if that is the case, then a viper would have done the same thing, and can stand toe to toe with Secret's cores in the late game too.
fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
February 02 2015 09:58 GMT
#1033
On February 02 2015 18:57 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:55 beifru wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:48 Azarkon wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:45 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:43 Azarkon wrote:
They won't choke. VG are the chokers.

they ain't invincible yow .. VG can take a series of Secret i think.


In theory, yes. In practice, it greatly favors Secret. VG has shown themselves to be chokers when they're challenged to the core of their being by opponents of equal/greater caliber.


Alright... and you are basing it off a bad day... VG is a championship team (RTZ said it himself).

If anything Secret has never taken a series off VG yet. The semi finals will be interesting.


The old Secret, yea.

The old Secret won't have gone 15-0 in DAC.

It still stands that new Secret has never played a series with VG.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
February 02 2015 09:59 GMT
#1034
Secrets tournament to lose at this point. All 5 players in fine form.
...
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
February 02 2015 09:59 GMT
#1035
On February 02 2015 18:57 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:55 beifru wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:48 Azarkon wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:45 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:43 Azarkon wrote:
They won't choke. VG are the chokers.

they ain't invincible yow .. VG can take a series of Secret i think.


In theory, yes. In practice, it greatly favors Secret. VG has shown themselves to be chokers when they're challenged to the core of their being by opponents of equal/greater caliber.


Alright... and you are basing it off a bad day... VG is a championship team (RTZ said it himself).

If anything Secret has never taken a series off VG yet. The semi finals will be interesting.

That was when Secret had to play every match 4v5

now its 5v5


we can't tell yet .. if Secret DAC then it's safe to say they are the best team in the world now . They still have to prove themselves througout the playoffs and against VG/EG.
this is a quote
DarkReign_
Profile Joined September 2012
1250 Posts
February 02 2015 10:00 GMT
#1036
Black has reach his peak now and his peak form with communication issue won't elevate VG to top 3 or 5 finish in TI5.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 02 2015 10:00 GMT
#1037
On February 02 2015 18:58 ref4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:54 ref4 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:53 goody153 wrote:
On February 02 2015 18:51 DarkReign_ wrote:
The problem with VG's late game decision is Black.
Mistake upon mistake by him cost VG a lot of games

it was really hard for black when 3 heroes of the opponent team can blow you up once you get caught ..


then it means FY got drafted into a corner

i think that's a horrible way to describe a 3rd pick sniper... like "oh no these 4 heroes from the first phase... these 8 bans... i need sniper now! he's the only hero that works here!"


I didn't watch the draft, was Viper banned in that game? I think FY wants the Sniper to bully the SF, but if that is the case, then a viper would have done the same thing, and can stand toe to toe with Secret's cores in the late game too.

i could probably list a bunch of black heroes that would be better than either sniper or viper there, but at this point it's all pointless theorycrafting
posting on liquid sites in current year
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34172 Posts
February 02 2015 10:00 GMT
#1038
On February 02 2015 18:58 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 18:55 Faruko wrote:
While back had issues that game, it was a super hard game for a Sniper (not to mention 3rd pick), new QoP, Clock and SF (with Euls/Blink build) can kill him in a matter of seconds

Not to mention Super was failing left and right with his Axe


Black seemingly has issues every game that VG loses.

Maybe Black is the issue himself.



you could be right, to be fair, i havent watch all of VG games (which seems i will be pretty much alone in the office today, its a nice way to waste my day rofl)

Will surely do
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 10:02:35
February 02 2015 10:01 GMT
#1039
I wish returned to formal glory with: BurNing, Ferrari_430, xiao8, ChuaN and June.

I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
February 02 2015 10:01 GMT
#1040
Good morning, what games should i watch in a replay? thx!
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
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