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fixed_point
Germany4891 Posts
They lost Sansheng to RPG and lack of motivation. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:22 beifru wrote: That's a cool argument until you realise its the organiser's discretion who to invite. Just because DAC wanted to uninvite EG does not make them scumbags, if valve did the same, people would be praising them for gods sake. If they uninvite EG, EG can still qualify through the qualifiers if they are capable, which obviously they are. It makes them scumbags to base invite decisions on starpower of the players over results. Eg lost starpower, they wanted to uninvite despite the best results of any western team in 2014. Meanwhile TS and C9 had the same amount of changes with worse results. It's a pretty dumb stance to take if you're literally marketing yourself as mini-TI. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:25 lolnoty wrote: It makes them scumbags to base invite decisions on starpower of the players over results. On January 31 2015 01:25 lolnoty wrote: It's a pretty dumb stance to take if you're literally marketing yourself as mini-TI. Except TI does exactly that as well. TI invites are all about star power over results, lol. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:21 TheYango wrote: Yeah, it's definitely not niche knowledge. It logically follows the basic rules of the game, the only thing you have to "know" is that Psi Blades do pure damage, and the rest is common sense. I disagree, because dota has so many weird interactions you can't go off logic alone. For example, cleave damage is not reduced by armour and goes through magic immunity, therefore you would assume it's pure damage, right? Well no, it's physical damage that just happens to ignore armour (doesnt affect ethereal units) | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:19 Kipsate wrote: Losing your captain, drafter and arguably most experienced member ? it matters. no don't overestimate the importance of xiao8 it's not like tongfu were doing poorly without him and newbee didn't have much issue winning a lot of stuff after xiao8 left. it's just that they need to be kept in line and stay practicing | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:21 MetalMercury wrote: Rave is actually pretty legit; they've gone through the Chinese teams and EG and emerged on the other side with a 4-3 record, and they threw that game against VG gaming. Given how everyone else has looked so far in this tournament, you could say they're definitely top 8 bound and they're playing like they have a shot at top 4. top 8 sure .. top 4 idk that's a bit too much .. at least 3-4 teams are more solid than them | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:27 ahswtini wrote: I disagree, because dota has so many weird interactions you can't go off logic alone. For example, cleave damage is not reduced by armour and goes through magic immunity, therefore you would assume it's pure damage, right? Well no, it's physical damage that just happens to ignore armour (doesnt affect ethereal units) Pure damage does not ignore bkb unless explicitly stated. You picked one of the shittiest examples. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:27 ahswtini wrote: I disagree, because dota has so many weird interactions you can't go off logic alone. For example, cleave damage is not reduced by armour and goes through magic immunity, therefore you would assume it's pure damage, right? Well no, it's physical damage that just happens to ignore armour (doesnt affect ethereal units) It's not physical damage either. It's actually enhanced damage. Most of the "illogical" parts of DotA are in actuality either bugs that Valve refuses to fix, or people not knowing the core rules/engine well enough. Beyond that, most of the interactions are straightforward and logical. | ||
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beifru
2164 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:25 lolnoty wrote: It makes them scumbags to base invite decisions on starpower of the players over results. Eg lost starpower, they wanted to uninvite despite the best results of any western team in 2014. Meanwhile TS and C9 had the same amount of changes with worse results. It's a pretty dumb stance to take if you're literally marketing yourself as mini-TI. After all, it is business. DAC aint running no charity show. DAC agreed to invite EG based on their roster with Arteezy and Zai on the team. When they left, it makes sense that DAC should have a say in whether the invites still hold good. In the common law, such contracts would be vitiated. I understand why you see it as unfair, but the cold harsh truth is, it was justifiable. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:27 TheYango wrote: Except TI does exactly that as well. TI invites are all about star power over results, lol. You'll need to give an example, because I've never seen that the case ever? If you mean Kaipi in 2013 they simply formed and proved themselves too late. Same with Potmbottom. Now Ti literally gives a deadline on when you need to perform. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:27 opterown wrote: no don't overestimate the importance of xiao8 it's not like tongfu were doing poorly without him and newbee didn't have much issue winning a lot of stuff after xiao8 left. it's just that they need to be kept in line and stay practicing i don't follow newbee too much but what do you winning a lot of stuff outside ECL and WCA ? since i'm looking at their wikipedia page right now | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:28 TheYango wrote: It's not physical damage either. It's actually enhanced damage. Most of the "illogical" parts of DotA are either bugs that Valve refuses to fix, or people not knowing the core rules/engine well enough. Beyond that, most of the interactions are straightforward and logical. Except that there is no such thing as enhanced damage in Dota 2, so it's not even knowing engine rules, it's knowing engine rules from another game. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:30 SKC wrote: Except that there is no such thing as enhanced damage in Dota 2, so it's not even knowing engine rules, it's knowing engine rules from another game. just yango things | ||
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Faruko
Chile34172 Posts
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fixed_point
Germany4891 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:30 lolnoty wrote: You'll need to give an example, because I've never seen that the case ever? If you mean Kaipi in 2013 they simply formed and proved themselves too late. Same with Potmbottom. Now Ti literally gives a deadline on when you need to perform. Valve made it clear that they invite the players, not the organisations. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:28 TheYango wrote: It's not physical damage either. It's actually enhanced damage. Most of the "illogical" parts of DotA are in actuality either bugs that Valve refuses to fix, or people not knowing the core rules/engine well enough. Beyond that, most of the interactions are straightforward and logical. Dota is a pretty big hot mess of weird rules. The "If/when flowchart" for dota rules would be filled with dumb exceptions. The best way to know all the rules is to just remember what ever single interaction is and just deal with it like that. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 31 2015 01:23 lolfail9001 wrote: At this point i may as well recite my example with fng not knowing what damage type Necrophos aura has and as result assuming that cloak reduces damage from it. That's not even a caster, that's a freaking captain of pro team, that only has an excuse of playing support, not core. Why would playing support be an excuse? Playing core doesn't require more game knowledge, in fact if argue the exact opposite is true. There's a reason you often see players with lots of experience take up the 4/5 roles and default the core positions to the Youngbloods. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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