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Please do not continue this racism malarkey. It will be treated as a meme from now on (page 253 onwards).
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
July 19 2014 21:48 GMT
#3721
On July 20 2014 06:45 DavoS wrote:
Haven't seen Kunkka hit one torrent besides ones in Chrono
Edit:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 06:44 HammerKick wrote:
That kunkka set, these torrents and X are beautiful

How do I get that torrent? I've got the Leviathan Blade but this is way more awesome


divine anchor set
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
July 19 2014 21:48 GMT
#3722
torrent reminds me of kraken ult
TanKLoveR
Profile Joined August 2008
Venezuela838 Posts
July 19 2014 21:48 GMT
#3723
LGD went full foreigner.
Moroshima Haruka, forever best girl. My dream is to die thinking "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 19 2014 21:49 GMT
#3724
On July 20 2014 06:43 Noya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 06:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:35 Noya wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:33 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:30 Noya wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:25 Numy wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:23 Seraphic wrote:
[quote]

It's greedy. Void offlane is greedy but because people have seen how amazing Universe has been with Void and the things he did with him, everyone just bandwagoned the Void.

That game was a clear cut definition of how to shut him off before he got anything done.


I don't think it's that greedy. You just play him kind of like a clockwerk but with lower damage. Problem is when you draft a lineup that requires void to actually do damage.


It's very greedy. Offlane Void doesn't have many viable item builds that extend into the late game.


Yeah, after you get your AGH's you can try going full utility by getting a refresher... But more commonly people will try a Mjollnir or MoM, and it's just too little damage at that point.


You don't get Aghs on offlane Void.

You do, depending on the lineups.
But you have a Void flair so you must know.


The only sensible time to get Aghs is when you are getting free farm since the effectiveness of Aghs peaks between level 11-16. If you are simply soaking XP from the lane, you'll start farming the Aghs when you're overleveled. And that's in a optimistic position.

No that's theorycrafting too hard. I've played offlane Void and it's realistic to get Boots+one 2k item (Midas or MoM)+Aghs before hitting lvl 16. Most successful Voids manage to do that too.


Most successful offlane Voids don't do Aghs builds anymore. They do MoM -> Maelstrom.

It's completely realistic but you've missed the point. When you're going Aghs you want to get it at level 10-12. Post-6.80 an Aghs at level 15 is a waste of money.

It's not a waste if your lineup is based around Chronos IMO. I agree that the item is overbought.

YYF is going Aghs next.


I think it's a waste if you can't meet the minimum requirements. Void's damage scales very poorly without items and the typical Aghs builds are subpar at farming during downtime. Not to mention the success of Aghs builds depend on everyone winning or coming out even in the lanes. When lineups are built around Chrono they usually lack proper CC to deal with disturbances outside it; a lot of teams successfully counter Chrono-based teams with multiple Blink Dagger initations.

WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 21:51:02
July 19 2014 21:50 GMT
#3725
On July 20 2014 06:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
3 man chrono! Wow, this looks rough.

When Void loses everyone says Void sucks, but when Void wins, every calls broken hero, I'm waiting for it.


He's just not very good as a carry these days and is much better as utility/setup which is exactly how yyf is playing him.

On July 20 2014 06:49 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2014 06:43 Noya wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:40 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:35 Noya wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:33 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:30 Noya wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 20 2014 06:25 Numy wrote:
[quote]

I don't think it's that greedy. You just play him kind of like a clockwerk but with lower damage. Problem is when you draft a lineup that requires void to actually do damage.


It's very greedy. Offlane Void doesn't have many viable item builds that extend into the late game.


Yeah, after you get your AGH's you can try going full utility by getting a refresher... But more commonly people will try a Mjollnir or MoM, and it's just too little damage at that point.


You don't get Aghs on offlane Void.

You do, depending on the lineups.
But you have a Void flair so you must know.


The only sensible time to get Aghs is when you are getting free farm since the effectiveness of Aghs peaks between level 11-16. If you are simply soaking XP from the lane, you'll start farming the Aghs when you're overleveled. And that's in a optimistic position.

No that's theorycrafting too hard. I've played offlane Void and it's realistic to get Boots+one 2k item (Midas or MoM)+Aghs before hitting lvl 16. Most successful Voids manage to do that too.


Most successful offlane Voids don't do Aghs builds anymore. They do MoM -> Maelstrom.

It's completely realistic but you've missed the point. When you're going Aghs you want to get it at level 10-12. Post-6.80 an Aghs at level 15 is a waste of money.

It's not a waste if your lineup is based around Chronos IMO. I agree that the item is overbought.

YYF is going Aghs next.


I think it's a waste if you can't meet the minimum requirements. Void's damage scales very poorly without items and the typical Aghs builds are subpar at farming during downtime. Not to mention the success of Aghs builds depend on everyone winning or coming out even in the lanes. When lineups are built around Chrono they usually lack proper CC to deal with disturbances outside it; a lot of teams successfully counter Chrono-based teams with multiple Blink Dagger initations.



You keep talking about the void damage when we keep saying how it's a build for when you don't need void to damage.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 21:50:52
July 19 2014 21:50 GMT
#3726
On July 20 2014 06:33 Procake wrote:
This is a disaster, I sometimes feel like Valve are so fucking amateur at this shit. 30 MILLION DOLLAR COMPENDIUM PROFIT, GUYS


It's cause that 30m is going to half life 3 development and not stream production.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 21:51:26
July 19 2014 21:50 GMT
#3727
I'm just waiting for these new sets to come out for online...

I want that DK set :o Also that Windrunner bow by TL
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
July 19 2014 21:51 GMT
#3728
The custom Torrent looks like an Ice Vortex.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Retvets
Profile Joined April 2013
1781 Posts
July 19 2014 21:51 GMT
#3729
2 forge spirits chasing away heroes.. HA HA
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
July 19 2014 21:51 GMT
#3730
On July 20 2014 06:48 Count9 wrote:
torrent reminds me of kraken ult

Nice hontrash
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 21:51:21
July 19 2014 21:51 GMT
#3731
That's a lvl 13 Void with Aghs, do you approve Cosmic?
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
July 19 2014 21:51 GMT
#3732
On July 20 2014 06:48 LeLoup wrote:
The more I see it the less I like core ES.

Just seems so underwhelming.

I don't think this game is a good indicator. His timing aren't much better than those of a support just by the way this game has played out.
(but as much as I enjoyed the few working core-shakers I agree with you)
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 19 2014 21:51 GMT
#3733
Support Alche 3700 gold...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
July 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#3734
faith with 5k gold :;
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 21:52:36
July 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#3735
On July 20 2014 06:51 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Support Alche 3700 gold...

5k... Radiance Alch!

nvm he got a Blink
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#3736
4700 support Alche!? What the fuck, he had like 3700 1 minute ago...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
July 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#3737
That is the wealthiest support Alch ever.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
July 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#3738
On July 20 2014 06:51 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Support Alche 3700 gold...


Greevil's greed in late game doing work
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
juff
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore4659 Posts
July 19 2014 21:53 GMT
#3739
On July 20 2014 06:52 Ramiz1989 wrote:
4700 support Alche!? What the fuck, he had like 3700 1 minute ago...

i was wondering if he would buy something dumb like radiance
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
July 19 2014 21:53 GMT
#3740
lol DD doesn't have Tidebringer and he's Xing himself
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
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