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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 08 2014 20:01 GMT
#2881
On July 09 2014 05:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 04:59 stuchiu wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Simulation for odds from:


Chance of each team being one of the “Top 10”: http://2p.com/7512627_1/The-International-4-Predictions-by-noxville.htm

DK 99.98%
iG 99.96%
Newbee 99.94%
EG 98.46%
Empire 91.67%
VG 83.99%
Alliance 79.87%
mousesports 77.62%
Arrow 57.34%
LGD 47.70%
Titan 42.75%
Fnatic 42.21%
C9 41.52%
Na'Vi 31.10%
Wildcard* 5.32%
Na'Vi.US 0.57%


Arrow over Titan is laughable.


Calculations based on previous results, ELO's, and all that fun stuff. Doesn't take into account some teams performing better/worse on LAN's etc.


I'm not even taking into account LANs. Arrow has looked really shaky in the last few weeks.


This reminds me of that time when everyone from EU kept telling me ForGG would beat Mvp because aligulac said it was 80% favorable for ForGG or some shit.


Well Mvp had a 20% chance of winning. Not necessarily that Aligulac was wrong.


But Aligulac was wrong.
Moderator
Flacracker
Profile Joined February 2014
1116 Posts
July 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#2882
Liquid is pretty good when TC doesn't play like shit.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 20:02:27
July 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#2883
omg liquid doing it
im so happy

On July 09 2014 05:02 Flacracker wrote:
Liquid is pretty good when TC doesn't play like shit.

sniff :')
:)
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
July 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#2884
CIS really needed more practise
EZ4ENCE
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#2885
On July 09 2014 05:01 climax wrote:
Not sure if Liquid is just looking GREAT or CIS is just out of practice.


We will see next game I suppose.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 20:02:45
July 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#2886
On July 09 2014 05:01 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 05:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:59 stuchiu wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Simulation for odds from:


Chance of each team being one of the “Top 10”: http://2p.com/7512627_1/The-International-4-Predictions-by-noxville.htm

DK 99.98%
iG 99.96%
Newbee 99.94%
EG 98.46%
Empire 91.67%
VG 83.99%
Alliance 79.87%
mousesports 77.62%
Arrow 57.34%
LGD 47.70%
Titan 42.75%
Fnatic 42.21%
C9 41.52%
Na'Vi 31.10%
Wildcard* 5.32%
Na'Vi.US 0.57%


Arrow over Titan is laughable.


Calculations based on previous results, ELO's, and all that fun stuff. Doesn't take into account some teams performing better/worse on LAN's etc.


I'm not even taking into account LANs. Arrow has looked really shaky in the last few weeks.


This reminds me of that time when everyone from EU kept telling me ForGG would beat Mvp because aligulac said it was 80% favorable for ForGG or some shit.


Well Mvp had a 20% chance of winning. Not necessarily that Aligulac was wrong.


But Aligulac was wrong.


Why was Aligulac wrong? Aligulac didn't say that Mvp can't win. It's all statistics and probability.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
July 08 2014 20:02 GMT
#2887
On July 09 2014 05:01 climax wrote:
Not sure if Liquid is just looking GREAT or CIS is just out of practice.

liquid are looking #good

just remember a few weeks/months ago where they died every fight at rosh
aaaaa
the`postman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1643 Posts
July 08 2014 20:03 GMT
#2888
both games just 100% outdrafts, CIS didn't even get to play dota.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 20:03:50
July 08 2014 20:03 GMT
#2889
On July 09 2014 04:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 04:56 Count9 wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Simulation for odds from: http://2p.com/7512627_1/The-International-4-Predictions-by-noxville.htm


Chance of each team being one of the “Top 10”:

DK 99.98%
iG 99.96%
Newbee 99.94%
EG 98.46%
Empire 91.67%
VG 83.99%
Alliance 79.87%
mousesports 77.62%
Arrow 57.34%
LGD 47.70%
Titan 42.75%
Fnatic 42.21%
C9 41.52%
Na'Vi 31.10%
Wildcard* 5.32%
Na'Vi.US 0.57%

That looks like a really really really awful monte carlo simulation. Weird since datdota does good work.


Honestly it looks quite good to me based on what we've seen. LGD is pretty low since they haven't been good for very long, Navi has been bad... What do you disagree with?

Only 1 mil iterations. Half of the teams have a 0.00% chance of winning in a monte carlo. 16 min runtime that was I/O bound. All of those are sketchy as hell. With monte carlo you want to run as long as you can that's reasonable. If it was a 16 min runtime I have no idea why they didn't run it way longer. Similarly, Empire > Alliance feels like their decay factor on ELO is either non-existant or really low. W/e, just stats, but I think they should've chosen a different simulation or run this one with different parameters/longer (see: the guy who ran the WCS simulation a season ago. Almost everyone had a chance, no matter how small it was. That's more expected from a good simulation)
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 08 2014 20:03 GMT
#2890
On July 09 2014 05:02 synapse wrote:
omg liquid doing it
im so happy

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 05:02 Flacracker wrote:
Liquid is pretty good when TC doesn't play like shit.

sniff :')

I believe the dota-approved emote is :happytears:
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 08 2014 20:03 GMT
#2891
On July 09 2014 05:01 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 04:59 Drazerk wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:58 stuchiu wrote:
Wow, I am actually contemplating watching football now.

Don't do it. You are killing Esports with those thoughts


But in football I can see people get career threatening injuries because the ref doesn't care and the entire organization can't be fucked to do anything about it!

But hey at least the 2022 world cup looks like it will be good
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 08 2014 20:03 GMT
#2892
On July 09 2014 04:59 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 04:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Simulation for odds from:


Chance of each team being one of the “Top 10”: http://2p.com/7512627_1/The-International-4-Predictions-by-noxville.htm

DK 99.98%
iG 99.96%
Newbee 99.94%
EG 98.46%
Empire 91.67%
VG 83.99%
Alliance 79.87%
mousesports 77.62%
Arrow 57.34%
LGD 47.70%
Titan 42.75%
Fnatic 42.21%
C9 41.52%
Na'Vi 31.10%
Wildcard* 5.32%
Na'Vi.US 0.57%


Arrow over Titan is laughable.


Calculations based on previous results, ELO's, and all that fun stuff. Doesn't take into account some teams performing better/worse on LAN's etc.


I'm not even taking into account LANs. Arrow has looked really shaky in the last few weeks.


This reminds me of that time when everyone from EU kept telling me ForGG would beat Mvp because aligulac said it was 80% favorable for ForGG or some shit.


Or MMA definitely beating Polt in the Super Tournament finals lol.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#2893
WE ARE WINNING
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-08 20:04:35
July 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#2894
On July 09 2014 05:02 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 05:01 stuchiu wrote:
On July 09 2014 05:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:59 stuchiu wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Simulation for odds from:


Chance of each team being one of the “Top 10”: http://2p.com/7512627_1/The-International-4-Predictions-by-noxville.htm

DK 99.98%
iG 99.96%
Newbee 99.94%
EG 98.46%
Empire 91.67%
VG 83.99%
Alliance 79.87%
mousesports 77.62%
Arrow 57.34%
LGD 47.70%
Titan 42.75%
Fnatic 42.21%
C9 41.52%
Na'Vi 31.10%
Wildcard* 5.32%
Na'Vi.US 0.57%


Arrow over Titan is laughable.


Calculations based on previous results, ELO's, and all that fun stuff. Doesn't take into account some teams performing better/worse on LAN's etc.


I'm not even taking into account LANs. Arrow has looked really shaky in the last few weeks.


This reminds me of that time when everyone from EU kept telling me ForGG would beat Mvp because aligulac said it was 80% favorable for ForGG or some shit.


Well Mvp had a 20% chance of winning. Not necessarily that Aligulac was wrong.


But Aligulac was wrong.


Why was Aligulac wrong? Aligulac didn't say that Mvp can't win. It's all statistics and probability.


For rating EU/NA/SEA players equally to KR players and thus creating ELO farming situations making all cross regional predictions useless, but because of the general indolence of the populace, no one bothers to remember that and take it as an all knowing authority.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#2895
On July 09 2014 05:02 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 05:01 climax wrote:
Not sure if Liquid is just looking GREAT or CIS is just out of practice.


We will see next game I suppose.

Last game Liquid looked really good at the early game aggression.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#2896
hahaha qojqva
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13064 Posts
July 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#2897
Well lost rares on this bet but won on MVP
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
July 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#2898
Qojva can't even die when he wants to LOL
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 08 2014 20:05 GMT
#2899
BUT MY BLACK :

Sad no matter who loses lol
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 08 2014 20:05 GMT
#2900
On July 09 2014 05:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2014 04:59 stuchiu wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 09 2014 04:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Simulation for odds from:


Chance of each team being one of the “Top 10”: http://2p.com/7512627_1/The-International-4-Predictions-by-noxville.htm

DK 99.98%
iG 99.96%
Newbee 99.94%
EG 98.46%
Empire 91.67%
VG 83.99%
Alliance 79.87%
mousesports 77.62%
Arrow 57.34%
LGD 47.70%
Titan 42.75%
Fnatic 42.21%
C9 41.52%
Na'Vi 31.10%
Wildcard* 5.32%
Na'Vi.US 0.57%


Arrow over Titan is laughable.


Calculations based on previous results, ELO's, and all that fun stuff. Doesn't take into account some teams performing better/worse on LAN's etc.


I'm not even taking into account LANs. Arrow has looked really shaky in the last few weeks.


This reminds me of that time when everyone from EU kept telling me ForGG would beat Mvp because aligulac said it was 80% favorable for ForGG or some shit.


Or MMA definitely beating Polt in the Super Tournament finals lol.


That was the funniest upset. I couldn't have been happier.
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