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Honestly, I'd like to see you dodge even before your first post. That'd be super super next level.
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Honestly, I'd like to see you dodge even before your first post. That'd be super super next level. :O | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:42 Azarkon wrote: There's no content at the moment so what else are you going to talk about other than how Korea is going to do vs. the rest of the world in Dota? problem is that it is only guesses and hunches. Dota situation in Korea is pretty hard because of LoL. Dota needs to get really famous to compete against LoL because as long LoL is as dominant as it is right now. There is no incentives for Kespa team to establish a dota team. As it is right now just be happy that Dota 2 started in Korea and follow the development of Dota in Korea before we jump to conclusions about powerlevels. | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:49 Fwizzz wrote: Lol what happened here. What can I say. The staff loves precocious little Azarkon. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:42 Azarkon wrote: Well normally I'd subscribe to a thread because the actual topic is interesting and people might put more information into it in later posts, so it's good to have it subscribed. But if every thread about Korea is going to turn into the same repetitive and endless argument then there's no point in doing so for those threads because the actual content has little to do with the topic.There's no content at the moment so what else are you going to talk about other than how Korea is going to do vs. the rest of the world in Dota? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:50 TanGeng wrote: What can I say. The staff loves precocious little Azarkon. Yeah, and a member of the staff is embarrassing himself with sarcastic insults that have little to do with the topic. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:53 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, and a member of the staff is embarrassing himself with sarcastic insults that have little to do with the topic. It's clearly flavor of the month idea with you. I look forward to seeing you grow even more when you come up with a different argument that contradicts everything you currently say. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15971594 See? Growing up is good. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:55 TanGeng wrote: It's clearly flavor of the month idea with you. I look forward to seeing you grow even more when you come up with a different argument that contradicts everything you currently say. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15971594 See? Growing up is good. Everything? I only see one difference between that post and my post today - which is that it's easy to see the difference between regions through the games themselves. It's not that easy, though I think it's still doable provided you're observant enough. Everything else I said in that post - about infrastructure, about average skill level, about the West being on par with China in Dota 2 - I still hold today, and don't see myself contradicting in the foreseeable future. Your attempt to paint a modification in opinion as 'growing up' is, on the other hand, incredibly childish and petty. Flavor of the month idea? I called the West being on par with China in Dota 2 before & after TI 2 and I'm still calling it today. FOTM is going East > West after TI 2 and then West > East after G-1, which a lot of people are guilty of. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:59 Azarkon wrote: Everything? I only see one difference between that post and my post today - which is that it's easy to see the difference between regions through the games themselves. It's not that easy, though I think it's still doable provided you're observant enough. Everything else I said in that post - about infrastructure, about average skill level, about the West being on par with China in Dota 2 - I still hold today, and don't see myself contradicting in the foreseeable future. Your attempt to paint a modification in opinion as 'growing up' is, on the other hand, incredibly childish and petty. Flavor of the month idea? I called the West being on par with China in Dota 2 before & after TI 2 and I'm still calling it today. Cute. I'm sure you'll figure what you want to say eventually. Anyways, #learning #testinghypothesis http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339675¤tpage=10#193 | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 01 2013 00:08 TanGeng wrote: Cute. I'm sure you'll figure what you want to say eventually. Anyways, #learning http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339675¤tpage=10#193 Cute, linking posts from a year ago that have nothing to do with the argument nor the topic. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:59 Azarkon wrote: the West being on par with China in Dota 2 - I still hold today, and don't see myself contradicting in the foreseeable future. Have you ever heard about the creationism? It suits you so much, btw. I called the West being on par with China in Dota 2 before & after TI 2 and I'm still calling it today. You can't prove your claims to hold true to anyone who have any game knowledge or/and common sense and utterly suprised people are ridiculing you when they can. World is cruel, I know. FOTM is going East > West after TI 2 If I were mod, I would temporarily ban or at least warn for such statements. Because it's demagogy for the sake of it. Hell, Asia managed to break even with West even at the TI1. That's what I call being on par, lol. Back to the topic: glad EoT advanced. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8649 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
In this case, overly vague ideas such as "finding competitive fun" are solid enough to apply to Dota2. It's already a leap to say that Koreans will apply themselves in the same way they have thrown themselves at LoL. Then the games are also different with different learning curves and skill ceilings and the such. To immediately use LoL as an analog and then quote 18 months is just wishful thinking. It's the "big idea," but these big ideas have holes the size of Gangnam in them. Secondly, it's rather distracting and frankly stupid to overreach in non-critical areas of the argument. SC2 Korea skill margin over rest of world not huge - wut? Korean teams dominating Chinese because of Allstars games - lol? None of these points matter all that much to the idea but are easy weaknesses to attack. Thirdly, it's better to be as specific as possible about the key points and make a positive critique. For example: from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15971594 That is not to say that regions are not able to gain advantages over other regions by way of better work ethic, training infrastructure, and player recruitment. But that gap is going to be smaller, and in Dota 2, which isn't played by 20 million people in China the way Dota 1 was, it doesn't exist. While preceding portions about "isolation" is largely junk ideas since two isolated scenes can independently produce vibrant competition, the quote part showed potential because the quality of the competition still comes down to the infrastructure and commitment. Presently, there are still significant difference in Western and Chinese infrastructure. In fact it is possible to enumerate how the two scenes are very different. The closing sentence, however, destroys so much of the potential of the idea and becomes a vacuous little put down of the Chinese infrastructure without any analysis of value. Out of it, the Western scene or Chinese scene are still only left with "Let's continue what we've trying to do all along," only that West might be more optimistic and China might be less optimistic. Lastly, there's critical thinking. If you're not seeing contradictions in your own arguments, you're not thinking critically and it will prevent you from ever improving and reaching a solid argument. Currently because of all the leaps of logic, it is nothing but a messy matchstick of ideas easily blown down by the next big bad wolf that comes along. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On July 01 2013 00:55 evilfatsh1t wrote: only notable person ive seen play dota2 in any recent tourney is lanpooh. he used to play with heen in how.kr. hes no where near as good as he was back then though, either because other koreans got better or he got worse. On top of that, Dota 2 is very different from Dota. You have to unlearn lots of control mechanics. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8649 Posts
On July 01 2013 01:47 TanGeng wrote: On top of that, Dota 2 is very different from Dota. You have to unlearn lots of control mechanics. lots is an overstatement. and whats your point? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 01 2013 00:54 ForTehDarkseid wrote: If I were mod, I would temporarily ban or at least warn for such statements. Because it's demagogy for the sake of it. Hell, Asia managed to break even with West even at the TI1. That's what I call being on par, lol. I love how you quote the first segment of the sentence but not the second, therefore changing its semantics completely just to take a cheap shot. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Translated interview from one of the qualified teams. They've been playing for 8-9 years apparently. (although so have I so it's not like it's a sign of how good they are, but those people are definitely out there and it's not like they will start from square one) | ||
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