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Kipsate
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
The difference in gaming culture is simply huge. | ||
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EthanAhn
Korea (South)56 Posts
On June 30 2013 21:33 ReignSupreme. wrote: wow, even better. Are they enjoying Dota? I think they are the playing league of legends  | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 21:43 Kipsate wrote: Shy, the top laner for Azb frost played dota in the past and in 6 months was the best LoL top laner in the world basically. If Dota 2 does kick off it will take a year or so. Korea/China rivalery, can't wait for that(but I shouldn't get my hopes up obviously). It won't be a rivalry. China does not have the same sort of gaming culture, nor the same infrastructure. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Also I am silly, its Entus frost now obviously but was Azubu back then. | ||
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EthanAhn
Korea (South)56 Posts
On June 30 2013 21:43 Kipsate wrote: Shy, the top laner for Azb frost played dota in the past and in 6 months was the best LoL top laner in the world basically. If Dota 2 does kick off it will take a year or so. Korea/China rivalery, can't wait for that(but I shouldn't get my hopes up obviously). yes. LG-IMLilac is too. He had to playing dota before LOL. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 21:46 Kipsate wrote: They seem to do just fine in LoL, they are the second region behind(but not behind by far) Korea and their teams are pretty good. S3 Championships will tell which one is better but WE,iG and OMG are really good teams. Okay, I agree that there's going to be rivalry for a time, but it won't be long, provided Dota 2 takes off, before Kespa gets involved and then it's downhill for everyone else. The thing with Korea is that their gaming culture is very different from the rest of the world. The bulk of online gamers there are competitive / tryhard, and this gives them a massive competitive talent pool and practice environment to work with. It's why they're able to practice with just themselves and still be ahead of the rest of the world even though they have fewer gamers. Over the years, I've come to the understanding that for the rest of the world to match up to Korea, the gaming culture has to change. Without that happening, they're never going to match up no matter the amount of team houses they build and the amount of region locks they do. Simply put, the bulk of the rest of the world finds screwing around fun. Koreans find playing competitively fun. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On June 30 2013 21:54 Azarkon wrote: Okay, I agree that there's going to be rivalry for a time, but it won't be long, provided Dota 2 takes off, before Kespa gets involved and then it's downhill for everyone else. The thing with Korea is that their gaming culture is very different from the rest of the world. The bulk of online gamers there are competitive / tryhard, and this gives them a massive competitive talent pool and practice environment to work with. It's why they're able to practice with just themselves and still be ahead of the rest of the world even though they have fewer gamers. Over the years, I've come to the understanding that for the rest of the world to match up to Korea, the gaming culture has to change. Without that happening, they're never going to match up no matter the amount of team houses they build and the amount of region locks they do. Simply put, the bulk of the rest of the world finds screwing around fun. Koreans find playing competitively fun. I do rather agree. Korea takes gaming to a whole new level. We don't simply, and thats why we aren't able to keep up. I think also the easy access to the games via a pc bang, whereas most places in the world don't have a lot of lan of pc cafe's, so gaming is a lot more expensive, and thus more exclusive. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I am not seeing a good reason why the rivalry will not build up, Kespa too has changed. | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 22:01 Kipsate wrote: You say that it is going downhill but Kespa teams are showing their faces in America, it is no longer like BroodWar, Korean LoL and SC2 teams both went to America(including Kespa teams, Look at MLG right now, Kespa players everywhere) and the only reason it is not happening for LoL anymore is Riot. Kespa has shown that it is willing to culturally exchange with other countries and seeing as China also has opened its gates(or atleast G-1 has) then I am not so sure why you believe that it will go down with Kespa? I am not seeing a good reason why the rivalry will not build up, Kespa too has changed. Sorry, I didn't express myself fully. I'm not saying Kespa is going to region lock things. It's not going to happen because Korean teams are going to monopolize the top spots in every tournament. There won't be rivalry because rivalry requires regions to be ~ on par with each other. Look at SC 2. Is there a rivalry between the West and Korea? I don't think there is, because there's no hope for the West to win. Rivalry doesn't exist when one region has a 80-90% win rate vs. every other, when taking a tournament for a Western player is practically a miracle. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 22:08 Kipsate wrote: You look at Sc2 and compare The West vs Korea to prove a point about China and Korea. Now look at LoL and compare China with Korea. Do you see the difference? LoL took off in Korea about 1.5 years ago, which is around the time it takes for them to take over a scene. To this end, I think you're going to see things go downhill for the rest of the world in that game pretty soon. It hasn't happened yet only because Riot has region locked practically everything so you don't see a lot of cross regional games. Provided I'm correct about their gaming culture being very different from the rest of the world and their competitive infrastructure being a lot better, Korea ought to stomp in LoL's TI 3, and you're going to see the beginning of the end for this rivalry you're talking about. That's the same situation that Dota 2 faces provided Dota 2 takes off in Korea. Riot region locked LoL to keep it from becoming SC 2, but in the end all that does is make it less visible that they're ahead because there's so few tournaments where they play the rest of the world. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15971594 | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 30 2013 22:22 Kipsate wrote: There are no signs showing that that is the case so based upon what do you make this assumption? There are: - The greater quantity of top level Korean teams vs. the rest of the world, which provides a better practice environment that compounds over time - The recent stomp by Koreans of both Western and Chinese players in the All Stars World Tournament in LoL - Chinese pro players flocking to the Korean LoL server because the skill level there is higher The last is of greatest importance. One thing that brought me to the other side of the infrastructure vs. gaming culture debate is the observation that the Korean ladder is better than the ladder of the rest of the world in games that are popular in Korea. Ladder is the source of talent and a measure of average player skill, and when one region's ladder is better than another's, that's just going to result in better talent over time. It's due to this that I don't think NA and EU are going to match up in LoL, nor do I think the Chinese are going to remain on par with the Koreans in LoL for long, because in LoL, the NA, EU, and Chinese servers have all been described to be of lower average skill than the Korean server for those who've played both. That's the same situation that exists in SC 2, and so says that a SC 2 style takeover is coming. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Did you just draw conclusions out of an All-star fucking tournament where teams do not actually participate with their full roster? I am sorry but that is a bit ridicilous. Instead could you look at their games and their play?Don't you think its better to draw conclusions from that? I did and it doesn't show large amount of signs that there is a super large skill discrepancy between China and Korea. Normally you evaluate teams by seeing how they play and then draw conclusions from that. And you still haven't answered the question whether Korea will stomp 80-90% of the games in S3 championships, against iG, OMG and WE? Are you serious? Entus just roster shuffled too. Korea is better but you make it sound like China is the equivalent of the West in SC2, it isn't. Not even close. | ||
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