EPT[TI3] Playoffs Day 2 - Page 417
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LeCruci
Romania403 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:09 jigga wrote: Yao Mag played pretty awful that game, he was clearly not on form. Contrast that to Super's Mag who basically carried DK past IG. If Super is playing instead of Yao, LGD crush Liquid 100%. The problem is not Mag, it is the player. Because Super does on mag what Yao doesn't do on any mid hero--direct the flow of the game. This is something the mid hero must do in the current game. Playing defensive/reactive till teamfights the way Yao has done simply does not work with how the game is played right now, which is why I said months ago that LGD should stick to putting Xiao8 mid and Yao in the off-lane. It fits their respective strengths as players much better. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:10 anonymitylol wrote: nerfs, but they reverted some of the nerfs, he's a little worse than at ti2 but not much He is still a lot worse tbh. He is not that bad now that you can't play it, but you can't compare it to how strong he was at TI2. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:12 SKC wrote: He is still a lot worse tbh. He is not that bad now that you can't play it, but you can't compare it to how strong he was at TI2. Yeah, morphling was THE carry hero in TI2. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:13 r.Evo wrote: K ON IT DRAZ Prettiness > My laziness  | ||
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anonymitylol
Canada4477 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:12 SKC wrote: He is still a lot worse tbh. He is not that bad now that you can't play it, but you can't compare it to how strong he was at TI2. it's mostly that you can't cast eblade/adaptive strike during waveform anymore, his cast animation is actually faster than it used to be, and attack speed is a bit faster he's really not that much worse than before | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Edit: On August 09 2013 15:14 anonymitylol wrote: it's mostly that you can't cast eblade/adaptive strike during waveform anymore, his cast animation is actually faster than it used to be, and attack speed is a bit faster he's really not that much worse than before I think his early/mid game is worse, but his late game is still just as good | ||
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gLhF.Revere
978 Posts
On August 09 2013 14:55 TheYango wrote: If the game is put into a position where Xiao8 has to farm, the game is lost. There's a mis-attribution of roles here by LGD because Xiao8 is the one who has far better sense of ganking/gameflow/tempo-carrying ability, while Yao is a stronger laner and has better overall management of his own tempo and farm. So an arrangement like the one they had this game is destined for disaster. I've said this for months, and I changed my LGD fan icon over this shit. I changed it back when they started putting Xiao8 mid again, but when they come to TI3 and pull out this bullshit that clearly didn't work months ago, it's insanely frustrating for me as an LGD fan. LGD. Just fucking put Xiao8 mid. Just do it. Even if he loses his lane, he will set up the rest of the team to win the game because he's excellent at finding opportunities from behind like that. Xiao8 getting FBed is good luck anyway. Even getting Xiao8 solo killed by s4, you guys were the closest team in the tournament to beating Alliance with Xiao8 mid. Precisely. LGD loses because their position 2 and 3 almost always end up less farmed than their opponent's. Xiao8, although having excellent ganking sense, either sacrifices farm for early map presence or loses lane due to reliance on weaker laners. This coupled by their tried and semi-successful 4p1 ensures that [A], and other teams that understand the importance of split farming with multiple cores, will run circles around them again and again. This is ironic because when LGD first started playing DotA2, they ran multiple semicarries (e.g. Slardar, Prophet, QoP). | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
He wants that bkb first before they fight. Which is smart because he will be prime target of puck and morph. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:15 YoucriedWolf wrote: Woaw, how did liquid beat LGD? Was it good? it was DAMN good | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:09 r.Evo wrote: RADIANT ZENITH      VS iG DIRE      Lanes: Slark vs Rubick Chen Morph Mid Naga vs Puck Bot Weaver Jakiro DS vs Naix 9:00 NAGA SINGING TOP, KILL ON RUBICK, Chen dropping low 10:50 PUCK NAIX BOMB MIDLANE KILL ON WEAVER 12:20 Chen Naix Rubick finding a kill on Slark 13:50 PUCK NAIX BOMB killing weaver botlane 15:15 iG getting counterganked, Naix Puck die 4-4 On August 09 2013 15:11 Drazerk wrote: 16:40 Time lapse stolen BKB for Weaver Naga over extends and dies but coil is used 19:20 iG pushing out toplane with 4. CS: Morph150 Puck Naix Chen DS115 Weaver 115 Naga 95 Slark 52 20:30 iG Smoking and sneaking rosh 21:30 IG GOING FOR THE FIGHT AT DIRE T2, Naga gets Zenith out, they reengage SlarkCasualty 5-6 | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:15 YoucriedWolf wrote: Woaw, how did liquid beat LGD? Was it good? | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:15 YoucriedWolf wrote: Woaw, how did liquid beat LGD? Was it good? See for yourself :D | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On August 09 2013 15:14 gLhF.Revere wrote: Precisely. LGD loses because their position 2 and 3 almost always end up less farmed than their opponent's. Xiao8, although having excellent ganking sense, either sacrifices farm for early map presence or loses lane due to reliance on weaker laners. This coupled by their tried and semi-successful 4p1 ensures that [A], and other teams that understand the importance of split farming with multiple cores, will run circles around them again and again. This is ironic because when LGD first started playing DotA2, they ran multiple semicarries (e.g. Slardar, Prophet, QoP). Like that mofo bm+mg game they did, game would have won if they just let xiao8 bm mid, really not sure they did that, asking for a harder game for themselves. | ||
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