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WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6101
Come on Fnatic this aint over yet
EZ4ENCE
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6102
that RP fake
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6103
On August 10 2013 12:09 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 12:09 EchoZ wrote:
That reminds me, haven't seen Azarkon in awhile.

That's because he got banned.


Ah, thanks for the info
Dear Sixsmith...
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6104
He faked that like 3 times?
┌⋉⊳∀⊲) ☆ If your soul has not truly given up, then you can hear the sound that races through the end of the world.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6105
Good job I couldn't bet rares
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6106
On August 10 2013 12:09 acker wrote:
I'm so glad Dota and Starcraft came out before the Internet became big.

"Muta stacking is retarded, Blizzard is idiot"
"Vessels can self-Irradiate and kill workers, fucking OP"
"OMG you can kill your own creeps this is unrealistic fucking boring fucking doto fuck fix"
Anti-dota people still use use that argument.
Once you Goblak...
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6107
On August 10 2013 12:11 WindWolf wrote:
Come on Fnatic this aint over yet

Pretty sure they'll pull ahead soon =/
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6108
On August 10 2013 12:08 gLhF.Revere wrote:
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On August 10 2013 12:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:

1. dodge hooks

2. push with creeps

3. team fight better

If you're expecting some answer like "build xxx item" so you have a 100% counter I'm sorry that this game takes execution, but all you have to do is play better. Picking pudge in itself is a huge risk and lead to Na`vi falling behind by that deficit in the first place. You also saw how underfarmed dendi was 35 minutes into the game. That's the nature of fountain hooking and pudge. Your 2 position solo mid will have virtually no farm in comparison to the other team's solo.


Don't be simplistic. If Na'Vi misses a hook, the team just backs. How do you kill Na'Vi's team when everybody is standing two screens away from Pudge? You expect Tongfu to dive two screens length to fight Na'Vi?

How can Tongfu push when that makes them most susceptible to Pudge hook. If Pudge lands a hook, Tongfu's push is stopped. If Pudge misses, then Pudge walks/tp's back since Tongfu is at Na'Vi's base. Low risk, high reward.

The only way I could've seen Tongfu win that was to smoke gank Na'Vi's team from behind and pray for a pickoff on either Pudge or Chen.

Where did I mention anything about trying to engage a 4v5 fight? Pushing with creeps makes you very safe against pudge hooks, and it only allows him ONE chance at it if you're sieged on your tower. Test of faith is a 24 second cooldown. If you miss you take their rax and it's pretty much gg. Even if he hooks a support you can still win the fight. The only reason Tongfu got aegis hooked was because they were fighting in a bad position where the possibility of getting hooked was very high.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6109
On August 10 2013 12:10 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 12:09 WindWolf wrote:
Poll: Will Tobi miss first blood

Yes (5)
 
50%

No (5)
 
50%

10 total votes

Your vote: Will Tobi miss first blood

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


I would have bet all my rares on yes if I could

You would've lost them all
EZ4ENCE
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 03:14:02
August 10 2013 03:11 GMT
#6110
On August 10 2013 12:09 G3CKO wrote:
Dev and Icefrog confirmed it's intended. Only Navi runs this combo, and it's not an auto win strat. I have no idea why people are still arguing about this . Looks like SC2 and LoL Babbies have invaded.



Don't see IceFrog confirmation, especially considering IceFrog also removed Impetus / Chen interaction that is essentially the same shit in DotA 1 (that was a LONG time ago). In fact, it's funny because I think Impetus only got max +400 dmg from it?
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6111
Oh man, I just remembered that SF was one of H4nn1's signature heroes back in the old days of MYM.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6112
On August 10 2013 12:11 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 12:10 Drazerk wrote:
On August 10 2013 12:09 WindWolf wrote:
Poll: Will Tobi miss first blood

Yes (5)
 
50%

No (5)
 
50%

10 total votes

Your vote: Will Tobi miss first blood

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


I would have bet all my rares on yes if I could

You would've lost them all

EZ RARES
EZ LYFE
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6113
On August 10 2013 12:11 WindWolf wrote:
Come on Fnatic this aint over yet


wait not over for who? lol.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6114
On August 10 2013 12:11 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 12:10 Drazerk wrote:
On August 10 2013 12:09 WindWolf wrote:
Poll: Will Tobi miss first blood

Yes (5)
 
50%

No (5)
 
50%

10 total votes

Your vote: Will Tobi miss first blood

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


I would have bet all my rares on yes if I could

You would've lost them all

Considering I have 9 accounts I could have found a way to cheat that claim
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 03:12:49
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6115
On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:
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On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....

You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it.


OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT

A BLOO BLOO BLOO

:|

It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match.


You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million?

No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior.


but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan!

double standards 4ever



The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around.


I can almost guarantee from a player's perspective you'd call bullshit if you lost to it just in a pub game, let alone in a 2 million dollar tournament.

Same thing with Black Hole, RP, Tide Ravage, Wall+Vacuum, etc basically.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6116
On August 10 2013 12:08 Shaella wrote:
Tongfu's draft just had no way to start fights

which led to them losing.



Wise Man.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
August 10 2013 03:12 GMT
#6117
On August 10 2013 12:11 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 12:09 G3CKO wrote:
Dev and Icefrog confirmed it's intended. Only Navi runs this combo, and it's not an auto win strat. I have no idea why people are still arguing about this . Looks like SC2 and LoL Babbies have invaded.



Don't see IceFrog confirmation, especially considering IceFrog also removed Impetus / Chen interaction that is essentially the same shit in DotA 1 (that was a LONG time ago).

Pudge hook can be avoided. You can't exactly avoid an incoming Impetus lol.
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WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 10 2013 03:13 GMT
#6118
Has trixi learned some lessons from Era?
EZ4ENCE
iv~nk~j
Profile Joined August 2012
1140 Posts
August 10 2013 03:13 GMT
#6119
On August 10 2013 12:10 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 12:07 iv~nk~j wrote:
On August 10 2013 12:03 Korelle wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:57 iv~nk~j wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:53 big_shark wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:49 gLhF.Revere wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:46 BongChambers wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:44 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it's fountain hooks aren't gimmicky, could someone explain to me what Tongfu could've done to win?


To sum it up short, they were scared shit less to do anything to capitalize when Pudge missed his hooks.

It was Tungfu's game to win or lose, Na'Vi the experience beasts that they are, were able to play patiently and come out on top in the end due to Tongfu's passive play.


Thanks for the non-answer. Pudge misses hook. And Na'Vi is 2 screens away from where Dendi just was sent back from. What can Tongfu do?


Ban pudge, ban chen, have one of there supports focused on eating the fountain hook in a team fight, blocking pudge LOS with creeps or gargoyles. NaVi created a tactic and people are butthurt that there isn't some pre-created tactic to counter it. Time will tell if it is truely OP or not.

you know you've lost when your argument for how to counter-play the exploit abuse is to ban the heroes that are needed to do it


You know you've lost the arguement when you want something that only one team in the world has managed to pull off in one game against a team that threw the game by playing too passively nerfed.

Dendi is literally the best Pudge player in the world, playing with a top 3 Chen, and then it was more TongFu's loss than Na'Vi's win. If Fountain Hooking was a problem Pudge/Chen would be instabanned like Wisp is.

navi is the only team i know of that has tried doing it so how do you know other teams wouldn't be able to pull it off if they tried?

maybe other teams don't want to rely on such a cheap and gimmicky strat?

With a prizepool this big every single team would be trying to do this if it was a guaranteed instawin. But it's not.

exactly, it is not

relying on fountain hooks is like playing the lottery, it's very cheap but there is a small chance to hit the jackpot (like hooking a gyro with aegis and making him die twice inside your base)

it is definitely not overpowered as it's so luck based, but when it does work it's a disgusting thing to see
Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
August 10 2013 03:13 GMT
#6120
Oh didn't notice Loser's round 4 was going to be played today...

Chances of TongFu going out of the tournament today are high... yet again let's see which TF shows up...
Their poor mentality must be shattered, hope TiltFu doesn't show up for the sake of good games...

TF could've made a great cinderella story finishing the cycle in TI3, but it looks like history is repeating itself... Hope they don't get too much flak this time...
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