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Here it is:
Nothing is overpowered when everything is overpowered. Draft better or play better, maybe both.
Play to win.
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On August 10 2013 11:51 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:50 trinxified wrote:
Yo can someone tell me WTH is Rat Doto? I though it was what VP called AdmiralBulldog of [A]lliance after he splitpushed them to death with Nature's Prophet, but don't quote me on that.
no what vp called fnatic
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FFS, show the draft screen. Not everyone has access to DotaTV.
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On August 10 2013 11:52 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:51 lightsentry wrote:On August 10 2013 11:51 EchoZ wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 lightsentry wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 rob.au wrote:On August 10 2013 11:48 nojok wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 CAPSLOCKED wrote:
TOB +D Bye v1lat, I'm switching back to English casters bye english casters, switchin to mute Haven't heard english casters all tournament except when they leak in through the chinese casters mics and It's been the best dota 2 casting yet! I wished the chinese casters had better sound-proofing. Valve obviously not giving them enough money, trying to rig this tournament against the chinese V1lat keeps complaining that the Koreans next to him are too fucking loud as well. =D
Valve needs segregated casting booths at TI next year lol
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In SC2-LRs, discussions about balance and unfair advantages are usually squashed within minutes. Apparently the dota mods are more forgiving, so long as nobody uses evil emotes.
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On August 10 2013 11:51 Kishin2 wrote:
fnatic really favor venge for some reason.
sexy damage aura + cost efficient stun + big ult plays
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On August 10 2013 11:51 WarWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:48 PUre.nINE wrote:
Psh only newbie dota players would complain about this outcome.
For one it's definitely Valve's or Icefrog's problem. Na'vi is a professional team on the line to win hundreds of thousands of dollars, of course they'll do whatever is necessary.
There's other game mechanics that are unintended too. Ursa's Fury Swipes on Rosh, Blink dagger ban on VS, Pudge, Weaver time lapse buyback, Fissure creep block, Tiny's toss double avalanche dmg (not sure if Dota 2 still has it), Kunkka tidebringer crit, Clockwerk's battery assault preventing spell casts, Night Stalker ult extending night, CK wisp tether instant stun, etc etc. They're just remnants from Warcraft 3's game engine.
If you actually think Na'vi "stole" the win, you're crazy. You think "Pudge Chen" will actually work well again? Fuck no. Tongfu just got mind fucked and played too defensively after the first few, and let Alchemist farm up way too much. Any time Dendi missed a hook they could have simply pushed in 5v4, but no, they just sit back and farm. Exactly.
Agreed. On that note though, I remember saying they should patch this out. When ROOT did it, it was pretty obvious if they had a better pudge player it had a lot of potential if he could get a few big hooks off late.
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Gogo pudge! You are half-way there already fnatic!
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On August 10 2013 11:52 NPF wrote:
Opertown if you're live reporting Dota2 and doing the OSL thread, are you just injecting caffeine in your body?
he has access to some higher tech stuff then that
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On August 10 2013 11:52 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:51 lightsentry wrote:On August 10 2013 11:51 EchoZ wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 lightsentry wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 rob.au wrote:On August 10 2013 11:48 nojok wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 CAPSLOCKED wrote:
TOB +D Bye v1lat, I'm switching back to English casters bye english casters, switchin to mute Haven't heard english casters all tournament except when they leak in through the chinese casters mics and It's been the best dota 2 casting yet! I wished the chinese casters had better sound-proofing. Valve obviously not giving them enough money, trying to rig this tournament against the chinese V1lat keeps complaining that the Koreans next to him are too fucking loud as well. =D
lol I'd love to see him try to tell the Koreans to be quieter, they would just get more animated.
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On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying
Just stop with that opinion, it's wrong. 1% of the player base can do it easily.
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On August 10 2013 11:49 gLhF.Revere wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:46 BongChambers wrote:On August 10 2013 11:44 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it's fountain hooks aren't gimmicky, could someone explain to me what Tongfu could've done to win? To sum it up short, they were scared shit less to do anything to capitalize when Pudge missed his hooks. It was Tungfu's game to win or lose, Na'Vi the experience beasts that they are, were able to play patiently and come out on top in the end due to Tongfu's passive play. Thanks for the non-answer. Pudge misses hook. And Na'Vi is 2 screens away from where Dendi just was sent back from. What can Tongfu do?
Ban pudge, ban chen, have one of there supports focused on eating the fountain hook in a team fight, blocking pudge LOS with creeps or gargoyles. NaVi created a tactic and people are butthurt that there isn't some pre-created tactic to counter it. Time will tell if it is truely OP or not.
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How can anyone bitch about that. It was an amazing and extremely difficult execute strategy that they knew they could fall back on. The constant dewarding, the bm ban, alchemist pick... it was set up.
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On August 10 2013 11:52 pdd wrote:
FFS, show the draft screen. Not everyone has access to DotaTV.
Orange Prophet AM CM
Fnatic DS Chen VS SF
Bans: Wisp Naix Alch DK
Fnatic: Bat VS QoP OD
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On August 10 2013 11:53 MCDayC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:52 NPF wrote:
Opertown if you're live reporting Dota2 and doing the OSL thread, are you just injecting caffeine in your body? he has access to some higher tech stuff then that
black magic.
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On August 10 2013 11:52 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:49 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 BongChambers wrote:On August 10 2013 11:44 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it's fountain hooks aren't gimmicky, could someone explain to me what Tongfu could've done to win? To sum it up short, they were scared shit less to do anything to capitalize when Pudge missed his hooks. It was Tungfu's game to win or lose, Na'Vi the experience beasts that they are, were able to play patiently and come out on top in the end due to Tongfu's passive play. Thanks for the non-answer. Pudge misses hook. And Na'Vi is 2 screens away from where Dendi just was sent back from. What can Tongfu do? Push?
Not sure how he didn't get that lol
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On August 10 2013 11:53 KadaverBB wrote:
Gogo pudge! You are half-way there already fnatic!
Isn't it improper for you to be flame baiting? 
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On August 10 2013 11:52 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:48 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. That "victory" was 100% luck. Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match I remember when I watched my first DotA game ever. The difference was, I didn't try to talk shit about the professionals because i knew I knew absolutely nothing about the game. I suggest you follow suit. Nope, that was complete and utter bs, they couldn't take a fight so they started gambling the whole game on the fishing game. That was awful. Maybe in the beginning they DID actually play the game, but after they saw Doom and Gyro were destroying them every time they sat back and Xboct farmed what he could while hoping Dendi got lucky with those bs hooks. Lucky? What exactly is 'lucky' about landing hooks on important targets within 3 seconds and coordinating it with a forcestaff? Its called skill, if its so easy why don't you queue some pubs with 2 mates and see how many times you can pull it off* *Vs a professional team, not idiot pub players who just stand there waiting to get hooked.
Half of them were blind hooks, they tried it a million times and only hit a few. It's more luck than skill imo. But i'll stop talking about this now.
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