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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3381
On August 10 2013 08:52 Drazerk wrote:
Who is the real master of hooks?
fluff ofc
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3382
On August 10 2013 08:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 08:51 Talron wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:48 mnesthes wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:40 superstartran wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:37 Shikyo wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:29 superstartran wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:28 mnesthes wrote:
Why so many people hate the game out of KotL+PL+Batrider picks from Allinace? If anything then DK should blame themselves for being overconfident and revealing their hand too soon with Spectre FP. Keep in mind that these players play to win, and they will use any legitimate trick they have no matter how frowned upon they might be to achieve it.

I suggest people who are still mad about KotL PL read this: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html



Has nothing to do with playing to win. Has more to do with the fact that E-sports hinges on having viewers, and Kotl/Pl/Batrider comps are completely boring to watch and simply boring.

Why? I thought that the game was a lot of fun to watch. I think that Batrider is one of the most entertaining heroes in the game.



Based on Icefrog''s past history with 'rat dota' better known as afk farm while avoiding team fights, he will likely do everything in his power to ruin Alliance's playstyle of runaway and farm, only taking engagements they know they can win for sure through buybacks.

LOL
please stop being mad. You are just digging your hole deeper with each post you make.

But he's right tho. Bat will get nerfed for sure. Just look at TI2 Morphling, who was picked/banned (almost?) every match as well. If it's the biggest tournament of the year and a single heroes remains consistently at the top there sure is somethign wrong with him.

Bat's ban priority is actually closer to where Lycan was at TI2 than Morph.

And we all know what happened to Lycan
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3383
LOL Rubick plays
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3384
Wait I thought you couldn't throw people up there anymore?
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3385
On August 10 2013 08:46 ArcticFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 08:41 mnesthes wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:29 superstartran wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:28 mnesthes wrote:
Why so many people hate the game out of KotL+PL+Batrider picks from Allinace? If anything then DK should blame themselves for being overconfident and revealing their hand too soon with Spectre FP. Keep in mind that these players play to win, and they will use any legitimate trick they have no matter how frowned upon they might be to achieve it.

I suggest people who are still mad about KotL PL read this: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html



Has nothing to do with playing to win. Has more to do with the fact that E-sports hinges on having viewers, and Kotl/Pl/Batrider comps are completely boring to watch and simply boring.

Now you're talking out of your ass again. The typical casual viewer won't be preoccupied with caring what hero is OP until they have gained some sort of game knowledge. Not to mention Alliance isn't exactly the most boring team in terms of kill quota either (highest average kills in the tourney right now).

As an Avid SC2 (Masters) and LoL (Gold) watcher, who just watched that last game as their first ever DotA2 game, all I got out of it was, "Why doesn't everyone just pick Batrider and win?"

I'm watching a second game now since there's no League to watch this weekend, but so far it mostly it just seems like a fast paced cf to me, and picking Batrider is an instant win. There seems to be no semblance of strategy that I can tell so far. It's really hard for me to tell what's going on in a fight.

Of course, I've also read that most of what decides a DotA game happens in champ select because of the large number of hard counters. So I'm not completely sure. Hoping this game is more entertaining to watch. If you can tell me what to watch for so I know what makes for a good play in this game, I would love to be educated. All I know is the basics of the genre, plus the deny mechanic.
Chess is people just moving pieces on a table arbitrarily. But that's just my opinion, as someone who has no understanding of Chess.

The whole "hard counters" argument is something I hear a lot from people outside of Dota. It really isn't true. There are a lot of soft counters. If you have a hero and the opponent has 0 soft counters to that hero, you will have to rely more on movement and map control. You're not just going to lose.

Quite frankly a lot of the talks about 'outdrafts' are from people who don't understand the game all that great. It's something pro players will not say all that often. Because there are so many things which go into a successful game, if you lose, saying it was the draft is just an easy way out. IT could just be you didn't hit your timing window, because of this the game goes later, and your line-up is useless. People call it a draft lost, even though it wasn't.
Once you Goblak...
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3386
Sansheng, nope. Just nope.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3387
NAvi!!!
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Skillver
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria1309 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3388
imagin if this would be EU prime time...the viewers would explode
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3389
Na'vi crowd chants at the plays
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3390
Hahaha this game is so good :D Nice cliff abuse ^^
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3391
poor thd
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3392
NaVi is so funny to watch xD
The legend of Darien lives on
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
August 09 2013 23:53 GMT
#3393
I'm just waiting for Dendi and Mu to hook each other.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#3394
Poor banana, stuck on a hill and killed off.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#3395
On August 10 2013 08:53 eieio wrote:
Wait I thought you couldn't throw people up there anymore?

It's not perfectly fixed. There are still weird angles that still allow you to put people up there.

Like I said, it's really hard for Valve to fix that bug perfectly even though it's acknowledged as being one.
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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
August 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#3396
Lol. 43k Navi pennants vs 3k TongFu pennants.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
August 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#3397
On August 10 2013 08:52 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 08:52 l3loodraven wrote:
Dendi, why ulti when you can just kill him with hook?

Disruption?
Mirana was there, pretty sure they would have gotten him anyway.
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
August 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#3398
XBOCT vs Hao is also a battle that is pretty noteworthy LOL
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
August 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#3399
so many hooks
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
August 09 2013 23:55 GMT
#3400
On August 10 2013 08:54 l3loodraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 08:52 clusen wrote:
On August 10 2013 08:52 l3loodraven wrote:
Dendi, why ulti when you can just kill him with hook?

Disruption?
Mirana was there, pretty sure they would have gotten him anyway.

Yes, but it takes gives TF a lot of time to tp in etc, they didn't see clock

DENDIIIII
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