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On August 11 2013 07:11 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 07:08 EmilA wrote:
This reminds me of a game with Eternalenvy where he kept taking all the farm at a maxed-inventory 8k bank point. Hogging farm for more (10) bkbs is NOT worth it. People literally say this every game that a team gets their carry to 6 slots and keep farming. They don't have a CHOICE. No other team member can safely or quickly push out a lane fast enough. If someone other than Alch is doing it, the split-push takes map control because Furion/Storm/Morph all push faster than any of the other 4 heroes. Farm becomes less and less seamless to distribute as a game goes long like this. And at the point where it is seamless, the increased farm on the carry tends to be worthwhile. It's just an unfortunate matter of being unable to end the game at their strong timing. They're not deliberately choosing to keep giving farm to the Alch, it's that if the game has gotten to this point, they don't have a choice anymore.
If Alch hardcarry is a strategy with these drawbacks unless they win in their strong timing, wouldn't you agree that it's not actually fit for long cautious games?
Imho Alliance have the better approach to long games, dividing farm pretty evenly throughout.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Zhou's morph is gonna fucking roll everyone over.
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At least Tobi isn't egging the crowd on. =/
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On August 11 2013 07:15 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 07:11 TheYango wrote:On August 11 2013 07:08 EmilA wrote:
This reminds me of a game with Eternalenvy where he kept taking all the farm at a maxed-inventory 8k bank point. Hogging farm for more (10) bkbs is NOT worth it. People literally say this every game that a team gets their carry to 6 slots and keep farming. They don't have a CHOICE. No other team member can safely or quickly push out a lane fast enough. If someone other than Alch is doing it, the split-push takes map control because Furion/Storm/Morph all push faster than any of the other 4 heroes. Farm becomes less and less seamless to distribute as a game goes long like this. And at the point where it is seamless, the increased farm on the carry tends to be worthwhile. It's just an unfortunate matter of being unable to end the game at their strong timing. They're not deliberately choosing to keep giving farm to the Alch, it's that if the game has gotten to this point, they don't have a choice anymore. If Alch hardcarry is a strategy with these drawbacks unless they win in their strong timing, wouldn't you agree that it's not actually fit for long cautious games? Imho Alliance have the better approach to long games, dividing farm pretty evenly throughout.
The strategy was fine. They chose not to end the game when they had a ridiculous advantage.
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39 armor or 70% reduction on that morph lol
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United Kingdom24425 Posts
On August 11 2013 07:15 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 07:11 TheYango wrote:On August 11 2013 07:08 EmilA wrote:
This reminds me of a game with Eternalenvy where he kept taking all the farm at a maxed-inventory 8k bank point. Hogging farm for more (10) bkbs is NOT worth it. People literally say this every game that a team gets their carry to 6 slots and keep farming. They don't have a CHOICE. No other team member can safely or quickly push out a lane fast enough. If someone other than Alch is doing it, the split-push takes map control because Furion/Storm/Morph all push faster than any of the other 4 heroes. Farm becomes less and less seamless to distribute as a game goes long like this. And at the point where it is seamless, the increased farm on the carry tends to be worthwhile. It's just an unfortunate matter of being unable to end the game at their strong timing. They're not deliberately choosing to keep giving farm to the Alch, it's that if the game has gotten to this point, they don't have a choice anymore. If Alch hardcarry is a strategy with these drawbacks unless they win in their strong timing, wouldn't you agree that it's not actually fit for long cautious games? Imho Alliance have the better approach to long games, dividing farm pretty evenly throughout. You don't pick Alch to play 60 minute games no.
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On August 11 2013 07:15 crms wrote:
I swear iG is the only chinese team that can think on their feet. The rest of the teams are just robots with no capabilities of dealing with adversity or showing any form of creativity.
This game should have ended by 35min max with the start TongFu had, really horrid decision making and absolutely zero confidence in themselves.
Hello, Chinese hater.
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Chinese sparring is so boring to watch.
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TF notch their first kill in quite a while.
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United States47024 Posts
Realistically I'd say that if Tongfu wanted to make a gamble to end the game, it would have been for Hao to buy Sheep as his 6th item, allowing him to force a pick-off through Linken's. But that's a VERY huge risk because if it doesn't pay off, your 6-item DPS takes a nosedive.
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On August 11 2013 07:15 Daralii wrote:
At least Tobi isn't egging the crowd on. =/
Is there even a crowd? There certainly isn't much noise from them.
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Sick attack speed on morph
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OMG IT'S A KILL!
*back to sleep*
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United States22154 Posts
I'm depending on this thread for updates so props to those who are posting updates talking about game relevant stuff. ^^
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Last game between DK and orange was too good, we have to pay now.
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Okay so there was a period of time I think YYF was slacking a bit,
But I think during TI3 he's start to reestablished himself as the best offlaner in the world.
Well, besides that death 
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On August 11 2013 07:16 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 07:15 crms wrote:
I swear iG is the only chinese team that can think on their feet. The rest of the teams are just robots with no capabilities of dealing with adversity or showing any form of creativity.
This game should have ended by 35min max with the start TongFu had, really horrid decision making and absolutely zero confidence in themselves. Hello, Chinese hater.
Eh i think that's fair.
I mean he worded it unnecessarily harsh but as good as IG played this game, a lot also comes from Tongfu's indecisiveness and inability to deal with the split push.
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Both are fighting for their life, I just hope A and Na'Vi being in upper bracket will give us a bit more action
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EPT
