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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
April 08 2014 21:13 GMT
#2181
C9 breaks their limiters when facing the strongest EU teams.

Shounen manga coming to bookstores near you.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
April 08 2014 21:13 GMT
#2182
So many times I see Alliance lately it kinda feels like they're more than playing good enough come midgame, often even outplaying their opponents. But they just feel like a tier 2 team during draft/laning.
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
April 08 2014 21:13 GMT
#2183
On April 09 2014 06:12 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Refresher Dream Coil damn good. Well played by both teams though C9 really needs to capitalize on their often strong openings to really close out a game.

idd but most of the time it's because they refuse to buy bkb and just close the game out
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 08 2014 21:13 GMT
#2184
for a guy who hates giving MVP, tralf sure does it often
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
April 08 2014 21:14 GMT
#2185
On April 09 2014 06:13 MCDayC wrote:
for a guy who hates giving MVP, tralf sure does it often



like... every single game
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
April 08 2014 21:15 GMT
#2186
On April 09 2014 06:11 miwi wrote:
s4 needs to learn to find farm as a core lategame, more often than not he falls behind completely


with a bad start hes never gonna get farm. where is he going to find farm with a PA and furion on his side?

but yeah maybe ur right s4 just needs to learn. u should pm him
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
April 08 2014 21:16 GMT
#2187
the farm went to bulldog + PA, nothing left for s4. then again he's playing q/w so doesn't need farm, as said tornado > emp > deafening blast is so strong and it requires 0 items and just levels
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 08 2014 21:17 GMT
#2188
so are we allowed to talk about how off the TL power rank is for outside of china?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 08 2014 21:18 GMT
#2189
On April 09 2014 06:13 ymir233 wrote:
C9 breaks their limiters when facing the strongest EU teams.

Shounen manga coming to bookstores near you.


Redemption Arc is over now. He's beaten the team that kicked him out.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 08 2014 21:19 GMT
#2190
On April 09 2014 06:11 miwi wrote:
s4 needs to learn to find farm as a core lategame, more often than not he falls behind completely


He had the farm, but he had to use it for buybacks. But even without farm, he was still a monster with invoker. Shows how great of a playmaker he is.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 08 2014 21:19 GMT
#2191
On April 09 2014 06:17 MCDayC wrote:
so are we allowed to talk about how off the TL power rank is for outside of china?

Signing up for a TL.net account includes a contractual obligation to complain about inaccurate Power Ranks.
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bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
April 08 2014 21:20 GMT
#2192
On April 09 2014 06:15 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:11 miwi wrote:
s4 needs to learn to find farm as a core lategame, more often than not he falls behind completely


with a bad start hes never gonna get farm. where is he going to find farm with a PA and furion on his side?

but yeah maybe ur right s4 just needs to learn. u should pm him


The whole Alliance strategy(back when they were #1 in the world) was to let Bulldog get the "2 position" farm(and often times "1 position" farm) after early game. s4 almost always plays playmaking mids that create enough space so that they can make it late game and win.(s4 did so much with what items he had too...)
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 08 2014 21:22 GMT
#2193
On April 09 2014 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:17 MCDayC wrote:
so are we allowed to talk about how off the TL power rank is for outside of china?

Signing up for a TL.net account includes a contractual obligation to complain about inaccurate Power Ranks.

yeah but this one was especially bad :p the last 2 days have basically invalidated the whole thing, if they dont make a remake immediately i'ma delete my account.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-08 21:27:11
April 08 2014 21:26 GMT
#2194
On April 09 2014 06:22 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:17 MCDayC wrote:
so are we allowed to talk about how off the TL power rank is for outside of china?

Signing up for a TL.net account includes a contractual obligation to complain about inaccurate Power Ranks.

yeah but this one was especially bad :p the last 2 days have basically invalidated the whole thing, if they dont make a remake immediately i'ma delete my account.

except you can't, last time i heard at least. u'd have to delete all of ur 12000 posts individually then never login again and pretend ur account doesn't exist. i might be wrong tho, that could have changed in the meantime.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 09 2014 00:35 GMT
#2195
On April 09 2014 06:22 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:17 MCDayC wrote:
so are we allowed to talk about how off the TL power rank is for outside of china?

Signing up for a TL.net account includes a contractual obligation to complain about inaccurate Power Ranks.

yeah but this one was especially bad :p the last 2 days have basically invalidated the whole thing, if they dont make a remake immediately i'ma delete my account.

EG #1
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
April 09 2014 00:56 GMT
#2196
On April 09 2014 06:18 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:13 ymir233 wrote:
C9 breaks their limiters when facing the strongest EU teams.

Shounen manga coming to bookstores near you.


Redemption Arc is over now. He's beaten the team that kicked him out.


What is the next Arc? The disciple becomes an Evil Genius and must be stopped?
High Risk Low Reward
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 09 2014 03:02 GMT
#2197
On April 09 2014 09:56 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:18 stuchiu wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:13 ymir233 wrote:
C9 breaks their limiters when facing the strongest EU teams.

Shounen manga coming to bookstores near you.


Redemption Arc is over now. He's beaten the team that kicked him out.


What is the next Arc? The disciple becomes an Evil Genius and must be stopped?


lol. this is actually pretty neat. nice chapter of NA dota XD
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
miwi
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden647 Posts
April 09 2014 12:04 GMT
#2198
On April 09 2014 06:12 Kraznaya wrote:
he bought back like 3 times to keep them in the game
On April 09 2014 06:12 spudde123 wrote:
He had to buyback twice to keep them in the game very early.
On April 09 2014 06:15 hariooo wrote:
with a bad start hes never gonna get farm. where is he going to find farm with a PA and furion on his side?
but yeah maybe ur right s4 just needs to learn. u should pm him
On April 09 2014 06:19 DucK- wrote:
He had the farm, but he had to use it for buybacks. But even without farm, he was still a monster with invoker. Shows how great of a playmaker he is.

People who claims s4 "had the farm but had to buy back" are missing my point. My point was not that s4 played bad or that the loss had anything to do with him really, just that he (or more like Alliance in general) need to learn to farm up three cores, just not two, like most of the best teams at the moment are doing.

They were among the first teams to start using dual cores, as well as the occasional three cores back when they were dominating the scene. In the past few months I've rarely seen s4 transition into a third core player even when he has typical "third core" heroes such as Viper, DK or Centaur.

It might have to do with them usually finishing games quickly if they are ahead, but in the games they are behind and actually have drafted a lineup with three potential core heroes I rarely see him keep farming mid to late which means that they usually don't stand as big of a chance against the popularity of three or dual cores that Empire/EG/C9 usually plays these days.

There is nothing wrong with always running around looking for "plays" but at the moment I think this is one of Alliance's weaknesses as it definitely seems to weaken them against the strongest teams they nowadays seems to lose to way more often than before. It was not criticism of s4's play in just this game in particular, he actually had to make the plays since they were so far behind and did actually play one of the biggest role in their (failed) comeback, but I am talking about their games in general.

But it's a question of play styles, and while s4 excels with playmaking heroes such as puck and batrider, I feel like he needs to improve on is play when playing these potential "core heroes", and not just rely on snowballing from the midgame to be strong in the late game.

And yes, I get the point that it's hard to find farm with Loda and Bulldong taking almost all the farm of the map in most of their game, but if Alliance want to get back on track I think s4 needs to take some more of that farm (or be given the opportunity to). But hey, Bulldog started drafting very recently so maybe with some practice they can hopefully figure out their game in the coming month in time for StarLadder, DH Bucharest, ESL One and DreamLeague.

The DreamHack Bucharest LAN in two weeks with Alliance, Na'Vi, Fnatic and Cloud 9 will be extremely interesting to watch for sure!
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beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-09 19:03:50
April 09 2014 19:01 GMT
#2199
aight tl lets see some big ass plays

e: if those dota lounge odds were better i'd consider throwing down some rares on liquid tho
aaaaa
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 09 2014 19:05 GMT
#2200
Who is standing in for TL today?
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