EPTHey, Im a new player. Any Tips? - Page 2
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Citrine
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FFGenerations
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On May 20 2016 10:16 Laserist wrote: Have fun? people mostly forget it hard to have fun when 1 or 2 of your "mates" are fucking assholes and stupid as a cow the 4 hours you hang out with them :p its horrible LOL #tainted | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
Alot of people (me included) fall into a trap after they have a basic grasp at the game, thinking they figured it all out. I also have a few friends who are exactly in that stage. Since it happened to me too I know that they are trapped in that sense. It is the main reason that holds people back improving and having much more fun with the game. Indicators for this are: "I'am good now with this hero" - No you are not good with a hero if you had a few games with a positive score. It takes hundreds of hours for most people to become "good" at anything. "External reason X is why I lost that game" - There is almost always something you could do better. This is true for the worst and the best players alike. A good medicine against this is to be humble and having fun by learning from others and from yourself. Even those who might come off rude. | ||
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Buckyman
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1) Play through the tutorial first. 2) Bots' difficulties can be adjusted, but playing on a team of bots sucks for various reasons. It's most efficient to practice for 20 minutes and DC before it gets stupid. For the highest 2 difficulties, play Coop vs. AI mode, since the habits you'd pick up to most easily 1v5 the Unfair bots are bad vs. humans. 3) Your first dozen or so Vs. Human games should be in Limited Heroes mode; the focus should be on picking up basic tactics, and -lh lets you do that without facing a new enemy hero every game. Don't worry at all about abandons and game losses, as this is a sandbox mode for literal new players and has special rules for leavers. But don't abandon yourself unless you're the only one left on your team, to avoid forming bad habits. | ||
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
ill be sure to do that, thanks! | ||
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On May 22 2016 09:19 Citrine wrote: okay, doing that now. any tips for beating the bots? thinking of playing clockwerk for new ideas. item suggestions? Bots group up a lot, if you can't beat them in a fight, push a tower, once you start to hit the tower or the creeps get to it, they will go to defend. Clockwerk is nice in that he doesn't need a lot of items, just levels. Blademail is a very strong item. Clockwerk isn't the best hero vs bots when they group, he's strongest when you can isolate a hero, trap them in cogs, and kill them with battery assault. Blademail makes it so they can't try to fight back or they hurt themselves more. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
If you try studying the game too early it'll just start feeling like a chore wherein you'll constantly try to "graduate" to a certain level and stress out when you inevitably fail. On May 20 2016 10:16 Laserist wrote: Have fun? people mostly forget it Also this. | ||
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Buckyman
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On May 22 2016 09:19 Citrine wrote: okay, doing that now. any tips for beating the bots? thinking of playing clockwerk for new ideas. item suggestions? There are three general approaches for consistently winning bot games: 1) Teamfight - Pick a hero with huge AoE damage and punish the bots for being constantly close together every time they try to push. E.g. Undying, Sand King. This is the only way to win consistently with a support vs. Unfair bots. 2) Splitpush - Pick/build a hero that can race their entire team at tower-bashing and can easily escape if they TP in or all walk away from the lane they're pushing. e.g. Mask of Madness/Shadow Blade Drow Ranger. 3) Hard carry - Pick a hero that can farm quickly and eventually fight 1v5 e.g. Anti-Mage, Medusa. Use some split-pushing to extend the game until you actually can 1v5; in the meantime you're outfarming their entire team as long as your teammates don't feed too much. Also, some misc. tips: Rule 1 of playing bot games: Always assume your teammates are trying to get you killed. If an injured teammate runs towards you for help, assume they'll keep going while the heroes chasing them kill you. If you initiate, they'll likely bail on you and clean up after you die etc. Your bot teammates will usually respond to a few kinds of pings: On a tower to defend it, or inside Roshan's pit to gather there and maybe take him. It's occasionally possible to keep them from 2v5ing the high ground this way by redirecting them to a different objective. On higher difficulties, your bot lanemate gets predictable about when they'll go for a deny. You can trust them here, unlike practically everywhere else, and deliberately set them up for easy denies. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
Mute everyone in your first real matches, because you'll probably lose a few before it works out where you are. After that point, continue to mute people the first time they complain about anything. Pick whatever interests you. Proceed to improve much faster than you would playing against bots, and have a lot more fun. | ||
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Archeon
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Also @clockwerk: please don't. It's a terrible hero for beginners for a bunch of reasons, mainly that good cogs win you teamfights and bad cogs loose you teamfights and as a beginner you probably can't even tell the difference. Heck most good people often can't tell the difference until they look at the replay and realize how much that did. Don't start with skillshots in general, start with heroes that don't ask a lot of your muscle memory while you get accustomed to things like items, heroes, the map and later on animations and stuff like lasthitting and map awareness. Heroes like wk or viper are excellent starting heroes for multiple reasons and both work great vs bots. If you find them boring and you get a feeling for how the game goes you can still step up your game and pick that meepo. If you really want to learn an offlaner, learn axe or tide and get accustomed to blink dagger. It's way less specific than hookshot, easier to execute and both are currently stronger. If you are dead-set on clock: + Show Spoiler + Item build is starting with a stout shield or a ring of protection and regen-items like tangos, salve, faery fire and mangos, getting a bottle asap, get brown boots and build into blademail or forcestaff into aghanim's scepter. Skillbuild would be 0:1:0:0 to cage your creepwave at the start of the game into 4:1:1:1 or 1:1:4:1 into 4:1:4:1. | ||
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 23 2016 08:52 Belisarius wrote: Stop playing bot games once you have the absolute basics down. And I mean the absolute basics. Play against humans as soon as you possibly can, because the MM will sort out the rest. Mute everyone in your first real matches, because you'll probably lose a few before it works out where you are. After that point, continue to mute people the first time they complain about anything. Pick whatever interests you. Proceed to improve much faster than you would playing against bots, and have a lot more fun. Agreed totally except for the muting part.Take complaints as constructive criticism as much as you can. The Dota community is not the most gentle bunch so as soon as you get used to that, the better it is. In fact, most people got frustrated when a newbie does a stupid move but if you explain to them that you're totally new, you'll notice a lot of them will be nice enough to help you out, thus you will improve even faster. If you start feeding, take initiative, apologize and ask people what you did wrong, what items you should get .etc. Obviously when it comes to a point when it becomes excessive flaming, use the mute button as suggested. | ||
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
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NAwk
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oliverhunt
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On April 01 2019 23:20 oliverhunt wrote: I agree that you should read dota 2 guides and watch streams for better results. I can advise you one of the newest guides on the Internet. Here is the link: NOPE. I think that after reading this, you will get a good idea of the theory  Are you aware that this thread was dead for three years? If OP stuck around with dota - I'm really hoping that he's better than needing your guide now. Or are you just trying to promote your page, Mr. 1 post?  | ||
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oliverhunt
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