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Citrine
Profile Joined May 2016
United States9 Posts
May 18 2016 00:58 GMT
#1
I am a very new player who needs tips and ideas on how to play dota 2. I know how to farm, etc. but not a lot else. fav hero is dragon knight. teach me?
"A total noob. Teach me pls."
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 18 2016 02:20 GMT
#2
for starter, check out this thread http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-strategy/454971-simple-questions-simple-answers... the first post contains couple of pretty good guides to dota...

in general for beginner, just farm well and be aware of map presence, play safe, communicate with your team mates to take down towers as soon as you can ... in lower mmr brackets gold/items advantage are one of the key factors to win games because co-ordination and players skill wise are often pretty bad... killing heroes is just a part of the game, don't get sidetracked from the true purpose of pushing down all towers, taking rax and killing ancients... that's how you win games ... pick a hero you like (DK in this case) and youtube FPVOD on how good players play him/her so that you can learn when you farm/when to engage...

always carry a tp ...
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soanparlell
Profile Joined July 2013
United States49 Posts
May 18 2016 03:39 GMT
#3
You should read Purge's "Welcome to Dota, You Suck" Guide. Some of the info is out of date, (I think the most recent version is from April 2015, so things like new items/heroes/map changes are not up) but the basic principles are the same.

The link: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/

Apart from that, play as much as you can. I'd suggest trying to find some friends who are much better at the game than you are, because (while you'll spend a lot of time dying in the games you play with those friends) just being exposed to higher levels of play will help you improve faster. Another way to get a better handle on how the game works is to watch professional games or replays by professionals on heroes you want to learn.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 18 2016 03:44 GMT
#4
Play bots, familiarise yourself with items, heroes and spells. You don't want to spend every real game figuring out what item is this, or what this hero does. Bots are also where you have a feel of getting fully geared...
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 13:16:30
May 18 2016 13:07 GMT
#5
mixed experience with ppl starting out with bot matches, a lot of them don't dare to play anything else ever. It's painful to get wrecked without knowing what's going on, but you'll learn over time either way and you just learn way faster in general vs people than vs ais. Ais also teach you bad habits.
It's a good strategy when you want to spam a new hero though, especially with the more mechanically challenging heroes like earth spirit, meepo and invoker.

If someone is rude, mute him at the first or second time. Most of the time if people start flaming they never stop. Starting the flame war is most of the time less helpful than what ppl have to say and most people play worse when there's a lot of flaming.

Adding people you find friendly to the friendslist is often a good idea. Especially if they stayed friendly in a game where you got murdered. Playing with friendly guys makes dota a lot more enjoyable.

There's the "don't die"-rule, that sounds dumb but is very true. Ask yourself after every death if it would have been avoidable, what you got for it and if you should do that again.
Never stop thinking.
Practice last-hitting until you get the 60cs+/10 mins.
The rest is experience.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 13:46:16
May 18 2016 13:45 GMT
#6
If you're truly new it's worth playing at least a few bot games (on a hard difficulty, don't bother with easy) and at least seeing how the map works and some of the basic stuff like "Oh if I stand next to enemy heroes I'll die", or "Oh if I stand around a bunch of enemy creeps I'll take a ton of damage and then not be able to do anything".

Even if after a few games the bots are wiping the floor with you just go and start playing vs people.
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neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
May 18 2016 14:37 GMT
#7
Try not to feed, know the heroes and what they can do, play a couple of co-op bot matches to familiarize yourself with the basic concepts of this game and also familiarizing yourself with what kinds of people you are going to have to put up with during matchmaking, call missing when the enemy hero in your lane has gone missing, and learn to last hit. Remember that killing the enemy ancient wins games, not going for kills. And when someone says something like "cyka", "iti nahui" or "tangina mo bobo" in chat, just mute them. It will make your life better in the long run.

Also, it would be VERY worthwhile to give this guide a quick skim:

https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/

Just 30 minutes of reading and you can save yourself from being flamed in matchmaking in the long run.
Keep moving forward
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-18 15:47:32
May 18 2016 15:29 GMT
#8
heya, farm lots and get used to all the different little controls in this game.
hero builds help you put everything on one screen for the item shop and circles the skills you get with levels.
the items and the skillbuilds are good to start with up until you get your own ideas that work.

creepwaves spawn every 30seconds at :00 and :30 and offer about 160gold each time. so each minute you should try and get as much of that as you can. more information on creeps

my tip in lane is to not right click heroes until you're sure it's a good situation to commit.
if you're melee for example do move commands until you're close up instead of doing the right click from a distance and aggroing the creeps early. as i'm sure you've played league or similar, the lane creeps will aggro as soon as you issue an attack on another hero, and they will do lots of damage. bring plenty of regen if you're planning on taking a beating in lane. there are plenty of ways to catch back up in this game, so don't give up early!




controls and mechanics in dota
---------------------------------------------
it's pretty important to have hotkeys and to use them often even if it's a drag to begin with. it's really worth looking into your settings and finding what you like.
important ones are
-courier (i use f-keys for courier action "Courier deliver items" and q-w-e-r)
-all 6 inventory keys (i do d, f, tab // space, 5, c. some people use alt + qwe,123, mouse buttons, etc.)
-control groups, 1,2,3 at least. (whatever you had hotkeyed on that hero will remain hotkeyed between games. so for example, if you enter a game and bind courier to control+3, or illusions to 2 it'll be the same the next time you play)
-cancel current action (s by default)
-chat wheel
-auto-attack (this is bad for people who want more control, but less hassle for more advanced play with certain heroes)
-right-click deny
-learn ability (i use z, and x for upgrade stats)
-purchasing quickbuy key (this is for items when you hold shift and left click them in shop. i use f1)
-purchasing sticky key (usually for tps, i use f2)
-pause (default f9 i believe)
-smart double tap (uses alt for toggles)
-next unit (i use `)
-chat to everyone, since it's standard to talk shit.
-console


again, you might hate having to worry about all these things now, but i guarantee you'll thank yourself later.
this game has a lot of mechanics that come down to fractions of a second, and you may set queued commands (shift) and quick-cast like in other mobas.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 18 2016 16:10 GMT
#9
Also never use the default recommended items.
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Citrine
Profile Joined May 2016
United States9 Posts
May 19 2016 00:32 GMT
#10
Thanks so much! Ill do all that right away. I have a group of players that I play with(4 ppl) and we learn from each other. thanks again, all of you!
"A total noob. Teach me pls."
Citrine
Profile Joined May 2016
United States9 Posts
May 19 2016 00:56 GMT
#11
so, doing a bot match and getting pwned repeatedly by omniknight, sniper, tiny, and sven bots. need help/tips?
"A total noob. Teach me pls."
Citrine
Profile Joined May 2016
United States9 Posts
May 19 2016 01:03 GMT
#12
lost the match
"A total noob. Teach me pls."
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
May 19 2016 04:37 GMT
#13
On May 19 2016 09:56 Citrine wrote:
so, doing a bot match and getting pwned repeatedly by omniknight, sniper, tiny, and sven bots. need help/tips?


Depends on the hero you are playing. Sniper bot, is pretty good. Are you playing with people? What role were you playing? What hero? What items did you get?

One thing you can take advantage of the bot AI, they five man and will always tp back to defend towers. So if they are five manning, split push till you hit towers and they will tp back. You back off, and they don't push your base.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-19 09:49:47
May 19 2016 09:45 GMT
#14
bot matches are a little skewed in the way that they don't behave like regular people.
put simply, they'll do things that people won't do.

i did bots on highest difficulty for a while just to practice the first 8 minute or so of last-hitting, expecting random heroes to show up to the lane (including your ally).
depending on the difficulty, they will push into towers in a stack at pretty random times; it's hard to defend in general and then it all snowballs a bit all while you're just trying to do things faster and figure things out.

honestly, i'd play bots with friends or queued with random strangers, or play real matches just to get the hang of it.
win or loss, you're improving.
so then try giving yourself some goals to begin with. eventually you'll get used to the buying system and how to do certain things and feel like a pro.

come back to this section eventually, or look up a guide/watch a replay. it helps a lot to be able to have an actual game in front of you so you don't have to visualize from words.
here's some examples. and i'll lay out a sort of script in the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
from the hard-farming role, AM (Anti-Mage).

this is a very difficult hero to play even remotely well, but my thinking coming into games newer to me is to take the hardest path and to improve at it as quickly as possible. it's good to be practical but if you believe you have a good grasp of things and can be critical and constructive of yourself, you'll probably improve faster than others who pick easier paths to learning.

keeping in mind it's important to open up shop and shift-left-click on items you want. it serves as a reminder and it keeps you in focus for what you need. it's better than constantly opening it up at times where you might not be able to. in starcraft you're watching minimap and resources, hoping to stay on top of things and to keep money low. in dota you are watching positioning, minimap, and gold, so it's very similar in that way.

AM starts with 640 HP

starting items, 625g to start with
-Stout shield
-tango
-salve
totals to 435g
you have 190gold remaining, and you have plenty of items to buy still to fill this out.
2 branches will put you at 680 and build into a wand later. you can do this against lanes that spam a lot. like with zeus.

Poor Man's Shield (PMS) is your goal from here. that is your very first purchase and you can buy it while in lane very easily. so click on your shield with the shop open, shift-left-click the icon of the PMS, and after the first two creeps or so, you can walk over to the side-shop and hit your quickbuy key twice when you see the SHOP button light up gold. you don't need to be touching the vendor or fountain to actually buy. only the shop button needs to light up.

the reason why this item is good is because it gives you some damage and it blocks right-click harass and damage from creeps. you just take a lot less damage for a melee-hero.
checkmark for that.

next, you'll want Brown Boots and a Quelling blade.
Boots help you take less harass as you walk away from bad situations faster, or helps you chase the other heroes down too. the reason why this item usually comes next is because the enemy laner isn't supposed to be getting as much money as you. you'll naturally have these sooner than your opponent for you to abuse.
Quelling blade is good for farming faster. it is very cost effective and is standard on Anti-Mage and many other melee heroes in lane because melee heroes tend to have higher base damage plus the percentage damage boost from the blade itself. Quelling blade is used to do fancier things around your lane like cutting down certain trees so you walk through instead of taking the long way around.

from here, you goal is just to make a BattleFURY (BFury), starting from the item Ring of Health (RoH).
RoH gives you a bunch of health regen which is necessary for AM to do his farming usually.
remember, AM is one of the toughest carries in the game, so the enemy will be looking to harass you back to fountain as much as possible. so between the health regen of (RoH) and the damage block from PMS, you are quite a hard hero to kill unless they devote a lot of damaging spells and mana to you all at once.
your goal is to buy both the Ring of Health and Void Stone to combine into the Perseverance. it gives HP/MP regen and a little damage.

keep in mind both those items are around 850g each. they are not cheap. most people save up the entire laning phase to have 2k and to buy an item like Blink dagger. you are the hard-farming carry though, and the items you have picked up by now (including: PMS, Brown Boots, Quelling Blade, Perseverance) are all to help you farm comfortably in the face of other threats in your lane. you are supposed to have more gold than anyone else in the game. keep yourself to this standard as much as possible.

from there, you're just two items away from completing the BattleFury, and if you've seen any videos of other professional AM players, that is when they start abusing your character's mobility to pop more gold than any other hero in the game.

Your goal here can go many routes, but essentially, you've lived past laning phase and then some to the point that hopefully, by the 15-18m mark, you have all the items above and you still have your tower to teleport to.
you can essentially follow regular item builds
(like Vladmir's offering - Manta style - Butterfly) and it will be fine.
just make sure you're watching your teammates and help them in their struggles once you get items. that's the whole point of you picking such a dependent hero. its like living with your parents for a while to help you with finances, then you get that great job and become independent, helping your friends and family when they're in need, just as they did for you.


have fun, and try not to get frustrated at anyone but yourself.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 19 2016 10:10 GMT
#15
my tip is play dazzle every game

he has amazing attack animation for last hitting and denying and harrassing and intuitive, easy to use spells that are actually tricky to use at first but great practice

he is also very very powerful and rewarding

he does not need items so you can focus on buying wards and sentries

have a focus on "never dying" ie positional awareness you will have a good time , a much better time than you will have "trying to play carry"

thats just my opinion
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-19 17:09:31
May 19 2016 17:08 GMT
#16
On May 19 2016 09:56 Citrine wrote:
so, doing a bot match and getting pwned repeatedly by omniknight, sniper, tiny, and sven bots. need help/tips?


u win that by out farming your opponents then nailing them with your better items and better positioning
a lot of dota is about who can farm the fastest (and then afterwards make something happen with it obviously)
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 19 2016 18:36 GMT
#17
pick 1 carry, 1 support, and 1 offlaner that you would be interested in learning and exclusively play those heroes for a bunch of matches until you begin to pick up on things like item and hero abilities.

another tip would be to ask yourself "what is/does this action accomplish for me and/or my team?" and "if I complete this action, how will the enemy respond to me?" whenever you do something.

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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
May 20 2016 01:16 GMT
#18
Have fun? people mostly forget it
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syw651
Profile Joined April 2014
Australia349 Posts
May 20 2016 02:14 GMT
#19
I don't think this has been mentioned before, but I think the mode with the limited hero pool was pretty good for learning the game. It's not because the heroes there are easier to play with, but that they are easier to play against. It lets you learn mechanics without also having to worry about trying to remember what ES/Oracle/Invoker's spells do.
TheVideoGameGuy
Profile Joined May 2015
India211 Posts
May 20 2016 02:17 GMT
#20
A nice way to really get into dota after you've played a decent chunk is to watch competitive games. There'll be a beginner's stream during TI6, I think, and by that time you should know quite a bit. It's a great and really fun way to learn the game outside of playing.
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