EPTHey, Im a new player. Any Tips?
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Citrine
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
in general for beginner, just farm well and be aware of map presence, play safe, communicate with your team mates to take down towers as soon as you can ... in lower mmr brackets gold/items advantage are one of the key factors to win games because co-ordination and players skill wise are often pretty bad... killing heroes is just a part of the game, don't get sidetracked from the true purpose of pushing down all towers, taking rax and killing ancients... that's how you win games ... pick a hero you like (DK in this case) and youtube FPVOD on how good players play him/her so that you can learn when you farm/when to engage... always carry a tp ... | ||
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soanparlell
United States49 Posts
The link: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/ Apart from that, play as much as you can. I'd suggest trying to find some friends who are much better at the game than you are, because (while you'll spend a lot of time dying in the games you play with those friends) just being exposed to higher levels of play will help you improve faster. Another way to get a better handle on how the game works is to watch professional games or replays by professionals on heroes you want to learn. | ||
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DucK-
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Archeon
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It's a good strategy when you want to spam a new hero though, especially with the more mechanically challenging heroes like earth spirit, meepo and invoker. If someone is rude, mute him at the first or second time. Most of the time if people start flaming they never stop. Starting the flame war is most of the time less helpful than what ppl have to say and most people play worse when there's a lot of flaming. Adding people you find friendly to the friendslist is often a good idea. Especially if they stayed friendly in a game where you got murdered. Playing with friendly guys makes dota a lot more enjoyable. There's the "don't die"-rule, that sounds dumb but is very true. Ask yourself after every death if it would have been avoidable, what you got for it and if you should do that again. Never stop thinking. Practice last-hitting until you get the 60cs+/10 mins. The rest is experience. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
Even if after a few games the bots are wiping the floor with you just go and start playing vs people. | ||
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
Also, it would be VERY worthwhile to give this guide a quick skim: https://purgegamers.true.io/g/dota-2-guide/ Just 30 minutes of reading and you can save yourself from being flamed in matchmaking in the long run. | ||
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nanaoei
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hero builds help you put everything on one screen for the item shop and circles the skills you get with levels. the items and the skillbuilds are good to start with up until you get your own ideas that work. creepwaves spawn every 30seconds at :00 and :30 and offer about 160gold each time. so each minute you should try and get as much of that as you can. more information on creeps my tip in lane is to not right click heroes until you're sure it's a good situation to commit. if you're melee for example do move commands until you're close up instead of doing the right click from a distance and aggroing the creeps early. as i'm sure you've played league or similar, the lane creeps will aggro as soon as you issue an attack on another hero, and they will do lots of damage. bring plenty of regen if you're planning on taking a beating in lane. there are plenty of ways to catch back up in this game, so don't give up early! controls and mechanics in dota --------------------------------------------- it's pretty important to have hotkeys and to use them often even if it's a drag to begin with. it's really worth looking into your settings and finding what you like. important ones are -courier (i use f-keys for courier action "Courier deliver items" and q-w-e-r) -all 6 inventory keys (i do d, f, tab // space, 5, c. some people use alt + qwe,123, mouse buttons, etc.) -control groups, 1,2,3 at least. (whatever you had hotkeyed on that hero will remain hotkeyed between games. so for example, if you enter a game and bind courier to control+3, or illusions to 2 it'll be the same the next time you play) -cancel current action (s by default) -chat wheel -auto-attack (this is bad for people who want more control, but less hassle for more advanced play with certain heroes) -right-click deny -learn ability (i use z, and x for upgrade stats) -purchasing quickbuy key (this is for items when you hold shift and left click them in shop. i use f1) -purchasing sticky key (usually for tps, i use f2) -pause (default f9 i believe) -smart double tap (uses alt for toggles) -next unit (i use `) -chat to everyone, since it's standard to talk shit. -console again, you might hate having to worry about all these things now, but i guarantee you'll thank yourself later. this game has a lot of mechanics that come down to fractions of a second, and you may set queued commands (shift) and quick-cast like in other mobas. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
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Citrine
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Citrine
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On May 19 2016 09:56 Citrine wrote: so, doing a bot match and getting pwned repeatedly by omniknight, sniper, tiny, and sven bots. need help/tips? Depends on the hero you are playing. Sniper bot, is pretty good. Are you playing with people? What role were you playing? What hero? What items did you get? One thing you can take advantage of the bot AI, they five man and will always tp back to defend towers. So if they are five manning, split push till you hit towers and they will tp back. You back off, and they don't push your base. | ||
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nanaoei
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put simply, they'll do things that people won't do. i did bots on highest difficulty for a while just to practice the first 8 minute or so of last-hitting, expecting random heroes to show up to the lane (including your ally). depending on the difficulty, they will push into towers in a stack at pretty random times; it's hard to defend in general and then it all snowballs a bit all while you're just trying to do things faster and figure things out. honestly, i'd play bots with friends or queued with random strangers, or play real matches just to get the hang of it. win or loss, you're improving. so then try giving yourself some goals to begin with. eventually you'll get used to the buying system and how to do certain things and feel like a pro. come back to this section eventually, or look up a guide/watch a replay. it helps a lot to be able to have an actual game in front of you so you don't have to visualize from words. here's some examples. and i'll lay out a sort of script in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + from the hard-farming role, AM (Anti-Mage). this is a very difficult hero to play even remotely well, but my thinking coming into games newer to me is to take the hardest path and to improve at it as quickly as possible. it's good to be practical but if you believe you have a good grasp of things and can be critical and constructive of yourself, you'll probably improve faster than others who pick easier paths to learning. keeping in mind it's important to open up shop and shift-left-click on items you want. it serves as a reminder and it keeps you in focus for what you need. it's better than constantly opening it up at times where you might not be able to. in starcraft you're watching minimap and resources, hoping to stay on top of things and to keep money low. in dota you are watching positioning, minimap, and gold, so it's very similar in that way. AM starts with 640 HP starting items, 625g to start with -Stout shield -tango -salve totals to 435g you have 190gold remaining, and you have plenty of items to buy still to fill this out. 2 branches will put you at 680 and build into a wand later. you can do this against lanes that spam a lot. like with zeus. Poor Man's Shield (PMS) is your goal from here. that is your very first purchase and you can buy it while in lane very easily. so click on your shield with the shop open, shift-left-click the icon of the PMS, and after the first two creeps or so, you can walk over to the side-shop and hit your quickbuy key twice when you see the SHOP button light up gold. you don't need to be touching the vendor or fountain to actually buy. only the shop button needs to light up. the reason why this item is good is because it gives you some damage and it blocks right-click harass and damage from creeps. you just take a lot less damage for a melee-hero. checkmark for that. next, you'll want Brown Boots and a Quelling blade. Boots help you take less harass as you walk away from bad situations faster, or helps you chase the other heroes down too. the reason why this item usually comes next is because the enemy laner isn't supposed to be getting as much money as you. you'll naturally have these sooner than your opponent for you to abuse. Quelling blade is good for farming faster. it is very cost effective and is standard on Anti-Mage and many other melee heroes in lane because melee heroes tend to have higher base damage plus the percentage damage boost from the blade itself. Quelling blade is used to do fancier things around your lane like cutting down certain trees so you walk through instead of taking the long way around. from here, you goal is just to make a BattleFURY (BFury), starting from the item Ring of Health (RoH). RoH gives you a bunch of health regen which is necessary for AM to do his farming usually. remember, AM is one of the toughest carries in the game, so the enemy will be looking to harass you back to fountain as much as possible. so between the health regen of (RoH) and the damage block from PMS, you are quite a hard hero to kill unless they devote a lot of damaging spells and mana to you all at once. your goal is to buy both the Ring of Health and Void Stone to combine into the Perseverance. it gives HP/MP regen and a little damage. keep in mind both those items are around 850g each. they are not cheap. most people save up the entire laning phase to have 2k and to buy an item like Blink dagger. you are the hard-farming carry though, and the items you have picked up by now (including: PMS, Brown Boots, Quelling Blade, Perseverance) are all to help you farm comfortably in the face of other threats in your lane. you are supposed to have more gold than anyone else in the game. keep yourself to this standard as much as possible. from there, you're just two items away from completing the BattleFury, and if you've seen any videos of other professional AM players, that is when they start abusing your character's mobility to pop more gold than any other hero in the game. Your goal here can go many routes, but essentially, you've lived past laning phase and then some to the point that hopefully, by the 15-18m mark, you have all the items above and you still have your tower to teleport to. you can essentially follow regular item builds (like Vladmir's offering - Manta style - Butterfly) and it will be fine. just make sure you're watching your teammates and help them in their struggles once you get items. that's the whole point of you picking such a dependent hero. its like living with your parents for a while to help you with finances, then you get that great job and become independent, helping your friends and family when they're in need, just as they did for you. have fun, and try not to get frustrated at anyone but yourself. | ||
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FFGenerations
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he has amazing attack animation for last hitting and denying and harrassing and intuitive, easy to use spells that are actually tricky to use at first but great practice he is also very very powerful and rewarding he does not need items so you can focus on buying wards and sentries have a focus on "never dying" ie positional awareness you will have a good time , a much better time than you will have "trying to play carry" thats just my opinion | ||
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FFGenerations
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On May 19 2016 09:56 Citrine wrote: so, doing a bot match and getting pwned repeatedly by omniknight, sniper, tiny, and sven bots. need help/tips? u win that by out farming your opponents then nailing them with your better items and better positioning a lot of dota is about who can farm the fastest (and then afterwards make something happen with it obviously) | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
another tip would be to ask yourself "what is/does this action accomplish for me and/or my team?" and "if I complete this action, how will the enemy respond to me?" whenever you do something. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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syw651
Australia349 Posts
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TheVideoGameGuy
India211 Posts
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
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FFGenerations
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On May 20 2016 10:16 Laserist wrote: Have fun? people mostly forget it hard to have fun when 1 or 2 of your "mates" are fucking assholes and stupid as a cow the 4 hours you hang out with them :p its horrible LOL #tainted | ||
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DucK-
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
Alot of people (me included) fall into a trap after they have a basic grasp at the game, thinking they figured it all out. I also have a few friends who are exactly in that stage. Since it happened to me too I know that they are trapped in that sense. It is the main reason that holds people back improving and having much more fun with the game. Indicators for this are: "I'am good now with this hero" - No you are not good with a hero if you had a few games with a positive score. It takes hundreds of hours for most people to become "good" at anything. "External reason X is why I lost that game" - There is almost always something you could do better. This is true for the worst and the best players alike. A good medicine against this is to be humble and having fun by learning from others and from yourself. Even those who might come off rude. | ||
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Buckyman
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1) Play through the tutorial first. 2) Bots' difficulties can be adjusted, but playing on a team of bots sucks for various reasons. It's most efficient to practice for 20 minutes and DC before it gets stupid. For the highest 2 difficulties, play Coop vs. AI mode, since the habits you'd pick up to most easily 1v5 the Unfair bots are bad vs. humans. 3) Your first dozen or so Vs. Human games should be in Limited Heroes mode; the focus should be on picking up basic tactics, and -lh lets you do that without facing a new enemy hero every game. Don't worry at all about abandons and game losses, as this is a sandbox mode for literal new players and has special rules for leavers. But don't abandon yourself unless you're the only one left on your team, to avoid forming bad habits. | ||
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
ill be sure to do that, thanks! | ||
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Citrine
United States9 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On May 22 2016 09:19 Citrine wrote: okay, doing that now. any tips for beating the bots? thinking of playing clockwerk for new ideas. item suggestions? Bots group up a lot, if you can't beat them in a fight, push a tower, once you start to hit the tower or the creeps get to it, they will go to defend. Clockwerk is nice in that he doesn't need a lot of items, just levels. Blademail is a very strong item. Clockwerk isn't the best hero vs bots when they group, he's strongest when you can isolate a hero, trap them in cogs, and kill them with battery assault. Blademail makes it so they can't try to fight back or they hurt themselves more. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
If you try studying the game too early it'll just start feeling like a chore wherein you'll constantly try to "graduate" to a certain level and stress out when you inevitably fail. On May 20 2016 10:16 Laserist wrote: Have fun? people mostly forget it Also this. | ||
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Buckyman
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On May 22 2016 09:19 Citrine wrote: okay, doing that now. any tips for beating the bots? thinking of playing clockwerk for new ideas. item suggestions? There are three general approaches for consistently winning bot games: 1) Teamfight - Pick a hero with huge AoE damage and punish the bots for being constantly close together every time they try to push. E.g. Undying, Sand King. This is the only way to win consistently with a support vs. Unfair bots. 2) Splitpush - Pick/build a hero that can race their entire team at tower-bashing and can easily escape if they TP in or all walk away from the lane they're pushing. e.g. Mask of Madness/Shadow Blade Drow Ranger. 3) Hard carry - Pick a hero that can farm quickly and eventually fight 1v5 e.g. Anti-Mage, Medusa. Use some split-pushing to extend the game until you actually can 1v5; in the meantime you're outfarming their entire team as long as your teammates don't feed too much. Also, some misc. tips: Rule 1 of playing bot games: Always assume your teammates are trying to get you killed. If an injured teammate runs towards you for help, assume they'll keep going while the heroes chasing them kill you. If you initiate, they'll likely bail on you and clean up after you die etc. Your bot teammates will usually respond to a few kinds of pings: On a tower to defend it, or inside Roshan's pit to gather there and maybe take him. It's occasionally possible to keep them from 2v5ing the high ground this way by redirecting them to a different objective. On higher difficulties, your bot lanemate gets predictable about when they'll go for a deny. You can trust them here, unlike practically everywhere else, and deliberately set them up for easy denies. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6227 Posts
Mute everyone in your first real matches, because you'll probably lose a few before it works out where you are. After that point, continue to mute people the first time they complain about anything. Pick whatever interests you. Proceed to improve much faster than you would playing against bots, and have a lot more fun. | ||
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Archeon
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Also @clockwerk: please don't. It's a terrible hero for beginners for a bunch of reasons, mainly that good cogs win you teamfights and bad cogs loose you teamfights and as a beginner you probably can't even tell the difference. Heck most good people often can't tell the difference until they look at the replay and realize how much that did. Don't start with skillshots in general, start with heroes that don't ask a lot of your muscle memory while you get accustomed to things like items, heroes, the map and later on animations and stuff like lasthitting and map awareness. Heroes like wk or viper are excellent starting heroes for multiple reasons and both work great vs bots. If you find them boring and you get a feeling for how the game goes you can still step up your game and pick that meepo. If you really want to learn an offlaner, learn axe or tide and get accustomed to blink dagger. It's way less specific than hookshot, easier to execute and both are currently stronger. If you are dead-set on clock: + Show Spoiler + Item build is starting with a stout shield or a ring of protection and regen-items like tangos, salve, faery fire and mangos, getting a bottle asap, get brown boots and build into blademail or forcestaff into aghanim's scepter. Skillbuild would be 0:1:0:0 to cage your creepwave at the start of the game into 4:1:1:1 or 1:1:4:1 into 4:1:4:1. | ||
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Citrine
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 23 2016 08:52 Belisarius wrote: Stop playing bot games once you have the absolute basics down. And I mean the absolute basics. Play against humans as soon as you possibly can, because the MM will sort out the rest. Mute everyone in your first real matches, because you'll probably lose a few before it works out where you are. After that point, continue to mute people the first time they complain about anything. Pick whatever interests you. Proceed to improve much faster than you would playing against bots, and have a lot more fun. Agreed totally except for the muting part.Take complaints as constructive criticism as much as you can. The Dota community is not the most gentle bunch so as soon as you get used to that, the better it is. In fact, most people got frustrated when a newbie does a stupid move but if you explain to them that you're totally new, you'll notice a lot of them will be nice enough to help you out, thus you will improve even faster. If you start feeding, take initiative, apologize and ask people what you did wrong, what items you should get .etc. Obviously when it comes to a point when it becomes excessive flaming, use the mute button as suggested. | ||
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Citrine
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NAwk
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oliverhunt
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On April 01 2019 23:20 oliverhunt wrote: I agree that you should read dota 2 guides and watch streams for better results. I can advise you one of the newest guides on the Internet. Here is the link: NOPE. I think that after reading this, you will get a good idea of the theory  Are you aware that this thread was dead for three years? If OP stuck around with dota - I'm really hoping that he's better than needing your guide now. Or are you just trying to promote your page, Mr. 1 post?  | ||
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oliverhunt
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