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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 08:59:24
April 14 2015 08:58 GMT
#21
lc timber sandking bristle all lose
axe/centaur do better
source: muh 7k experience
also sandking is the worst... he gets completely stomped by a brood that knows the matchup well
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
April 14 2015 09:58 GMT
#22
how does sk play against that? something tells me a combination of levelling sandstorm and caustic, but brood can always buy sentries (and often does)
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
GaribaldiSC2
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain709 Posts
April 14 2015 11:09 GMT
#23
I really think Bristle is the best counter to Brood
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 14 2015 11:31 GMT
#24
I'd go with axe, he can clear spiders ez, stop the push, prevent spider jungle farm, all you need to do is keep the hp high and prey for the spin. He needs very little items to achieve that and after the blink he can wreck the whole map. You can manfight his call after ulti but axe really limits what brood offer.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 14 2015 11:55 GMT
#25
On April 14 2015 12:29 Ver wrote:
Timber seems to be the best by far. Neither person can kill the other, brood can't push, and it's quite easy to kill spiders out of nowhere even if brood is jungling.

timber doesnt output enough damage to shrug brood off until level 5. pre level 3 brood will outcs, then post brood can just cut the lane and slowly nuke him down.

best hero is still axe
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 14 2015 12:38 GMT
#26
Brood never loses any single 1v1 lane in that she always gets farm/levels. She can always creep skip and farm. But the thing is that if a Brood cannot shut down or put pressure on that hero, you can consider it a loss for brood.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 19:57:21
April 14 2015 19:55 GMT
#27
On April 14 2015 18:58 ahswtini wrote:
how does sk play against that? something tells me a combination of levelling sandstorm and caustic, but brood can always buy sentries (and often does)

if u even get 1 point in caustic. u already lost
u just get xp and w.e farm u can by hiding in sandstorm and stunning away if u goes on u with sentries
if u try to aggressively stun brood she can just kill u. also nvr try to epi brood coz shes too fast and simply walks away after stun is over
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Surprise.820
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 21:46:46
April 14 2015 21:44 GMT
#28
I'm not too experienced in going against Brood but I was always under the impression AOE high armour melee (stout) heroes tend to do well against her i.e. Troll and Naga (arcane/bottle).
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 14 2015 21:46 GMT
#29
Most heroes that fit that description end up too mana starved or their AoE needs too many levels to kill spiders.
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Surprise.820
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 21:52:20
April 14 2015 21:51 GMT
#30
Yeah that's true but that's still 2 heroes. I don't see the problem in laning Troll regarding mana costs. I've tried to go against her last year as Naga with Midas rush (I deserved to lose for that alone) and failed. With Arcane in a separate game it was really easy to handle her if she went wild on me and I could sustain my costs.
(Now that I think about it, if I was too focused on countering a Broodmother I'd probs run support Naga too. Nuke, net and song doesn't sound that bad in the context of chasing one of them.)
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 01:46:28
April 15 2015 01:41 GMT
#31
I find in terms of laning, axe and ds are the only scary enemies for brood. And even then, you can still win if you're careful with spiders.

On April 15 2015 04:55 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2015 18:58 ahswtini wrote:
how does sk play against that? something tells me a combination of levelling sandstorm and caustic, but brood can always buy sentries (and often does)

if u even get 1 point in caustic. u already lost
u just get xp and w.e farm u can by hiding in sandstorm and stunning away if u goes on u with sentries
if u try to aggressively stun brood she can just kill u. also nvr try to epi brood coz shes too fast and simply walks away after stun is over


Against old brood it was somewhat possible to get a few caustic explosions from her spiders if brood isn't being careful, but with spiders stacking now it just flat out doesn't work.
:)
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-15 01:42:41
April 15 2015 01:42 GMT
#32
oops edit
:)
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
April 21 2015 02:08 GMT
#33
On April 13 2015 23:10 bananaboy378 wrote:
but level 1 burrow is the length of a china mans cock

Bristlefag is a terrible counter to any decent brood.

Lol wow, shots fired
Frogstomp
Profile Joined January 2013
United States125 Posts
April 22 2015 03:19 GMT
#34
Meepo!!

Poof has a pretty decent radius and absolutely destroys spiderlings

A lot of nuke damage to brood

Net prevents invis / escape
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 22 2015 04:12 GMT
#35
No hero can solo brood other then axe. Lc probably is the closest.

Even when you counter brood with aoe casters he can simply go no spiderling build and still win the lane if you dont see it coming.

Troll meta is pretty good vs brood currently. The aoe for spiders and the mischance for broods lifesteal and slow. Ive lost the hardest to sven/pa trilanes tho. pa with the burst dmg and evasion can be really unbeatable with good supports.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 22 2015 04:18 GMT
#36
Also the about trying a 1on1 "counter mu" is that brood player has probably played that mu 50 times because everyone tries to pick it. Like im never losing to a BB mu I played i too much. I stomp axes too but not enough to make up for a brood pick
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 22 2015 04:20 GMT
#37
Good trilanes are the only way to stop brood effectively without like a solo axe/bb/legion and winning your agro tri hard.

Thats why broods so awesome in allpick pubs because they never have strong trilanes even at high mmrs because everyones greedy.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10699 Posts
April 22 2015 12:17 GMT
#38
Just to throw them out there:

What about Darkseer? Basically a pushing contest.

What about Magnus? Decent nuke, escape...
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
April 22 2015 12:40 GMT
#39
I am very uncomfortable to go 1v1 against brood excluding axe since she can skip spiders and manfight(regen+miss) which probably you'll lose anyways in low levels. Or she can mass nuke you with soul ring and probably out cs you anyways which results a lane loss.

Darkseer might work but it'd be a hell a lot hard lane for him too. Brood can ward him off.
I assume magnus'd lose the lane because of the massive level/mana requirement and again brood can easily skip spiders or nuke magnus.

I believe 3 stun disabler lane is the easiest way to deal with her. Axe + 2 stuns and a dust would wreck brood. After shutting down the brood, supports can roam while axe can deal with spider 1v1 anyways. Considering safe lane axe is not out of meta nowadays, it is the premium strategy imo.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 22 2015 12:42 GMT
#40
On April 22 2015 21:17 Velr wrote:
Just to throw them out there:

What about Darkseer? Basically a pushing contest.

What about Magnus? Decent nuke, escape...


They both lose.

Brood never loses to ANY hero in a 1v1 match up. Brood beats many heroes. Some heroes she goes even. The thing is that when you pick brood, you want to dominate. Going even or barely winning an axe/bristle 55-45 is akin to losing. You really have to justify the brood pick by destroying the lane.
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