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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On November 11 2014 15:01 Yurie wrote: Lion does like no damage. Other heroes can set up for lina with higher damage output. It's also worth noting that Lion is pretty damn slow (290 ms). If Lion had 325 ms like skywrath he'd be a very effective roamer imo. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On November 11 2014 15:10 SilverSkyLark wrote: Noted. On the topic of dual roaming supports, who would be a good partner for a roaming Sven (who will be a safety net carry come end game)? Any support whos good at roaming themselves really. Apart from heroes that need setup (Lesh, Lina, Mirana) you can generally just bunch two good roaming supports together for even better result. So just look for strong roamers like Ogre/Sky/Veno/CM/etc. But if you're duo roaming probably anything with a good stun or slow can work (sven can setup for others to hit their spells), which adds at least 10 or 15 more to that list. | ||
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govie
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2014 17:30 govie wrote: IO. Saw it in a progame. If you get early kills you win, else you loose. io grants speed+manaregen and hp regen, granting sven enough to continously engage with a stun. It was in a draft that i believe tiny was mid. Io works with Sven but they are a poor early game dual-roam because of Io's need for levels. They're better off in lane if you're running them together, rather than roaming. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 11 2014 18:12 TheYango wrote: Io works with Sven but they are a poor early game dual-roam because of Io's need for levels. They're better off in lane if you're running them together, rather than roaming. They did it for mana/hpregen mostly with bottle at really early levels and it worked, because they snowballed and won the game from all those ganks and rotations. Its double regen for the sven. Didnt say i liked it as a roaming supportduo, although fun to watch. If i recall correctly, the tiny mid was a nice combo with io later in the game. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
On November 11 2014 14:59 SilverSkyLark wrote: Hi guys, why isn't lina+lion roaming supports a thing in pro games. My friend and I are thinking of doing it in a pub later but it hit me that I haven't really seen that line up in pro matches. It could work against high mobility heroes that can be bursted down even with such a low damage output of low lvl lion. Its just that do u want to autoattack like 1-1,5 sec more (hex 2,5s lvl1) or hit the target with 100dmg nuke and still stun it for like 1,5s (Thats pretty much the average supports are having). Like said lina needs a setup and even lions hex needs a setup (smoke,invis etc.) against heroes like qop weaver am... Things like highground and so on in midlane make it even harder to count on making damage with autoattacks because the miss chance. Another thing that lina+lion misses is big teamfight ulties that are pretty common to have, atleast for 1 of the supports. Heroes like ES SK ET WD AA can do a lot more in teamfights later on. Because all the cores would buy BKB's against lina+lion, their efficiency would be pretty awful. Both lina and lion really need their aghs to get more out of their teamfight and it takes forever for those roles because warding and hard mid game. | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On November 11 2014 14:59 SilverSkyLark wrote: Hi guys, why isn't lina+lion roaming supports a thing in pro games. My friend and I are thinking of doing it in a pub later but it hit me that I haven't really seen that line up in pro matches. In my opinion as a combo they fall off without farm+xp after bkb. They have similar skillsets which makes your draft less versatile too handle with the opponents draft and they dont enhance the plays of most corehero's. Besides all that it feels like a one way strategy, if you dont snowball and kill alot of heros early with this supportcombo, you probably loose. | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
does hex disable her mana shield? | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On November 11 2014 22:14 hooahah wrote: played a game as Luna against a Medusa. Even though I had considerably more farm, I couldn't kill her, nevermind fighting her. Should I have gone for an earlier push build? gone extreme damage instead of butterfly/manta/satanic? does hex disable her mana shield? hex doesnt disable mana shield, luna imo is a really really weak hero (worst carry imo). and she rly cant do anything vs medusa... shudve prolly tried to take raxes before dusa got big by 5 manning. if u go extreme dmg u die in 1 stun | ||
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Buckyman
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govie
9334 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On November 11 2014 23:29 BluemoonSC wrote: we need more information to answer that. dotabuff link? http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1018655526 qq-age, throws and blame game aside (storm used the orchid/stun on Lion instead of the divine rapier Medusa in the end...), I really thought I could take Medusa in a fight. I've always felt like Luna was a shit carry and now I've got a blue-poster stating that in his opinion Luna is dogshit. I went Treads, Helm of Dom (for stacking...only to have the battlefury BH take my stack and nearly die doing it. OK), Ogre Club, Yasha, BKB, (at this point I fought against a Linkens Yasha Phase Medusa...and lost), Butterfly (because I thought it'd help me manfight Medusa...it didn't), the crit was a last ditch effort. On November 12 2014 05:35 TheYango wrote: Luna's problem against Dusa isn't really Mana Shield, but that as a short-ranged carry that tends to have to commit fully to a fight due to how her play is centered around her ult, she gets fucked by the counter-engaging powerof Stone Gaze. well, now I know I guess. Yeah, Dusa pressing R pretty much made me a sad Luna. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
As Beesa said you basically have to 5-man steamroll raxes before Dusa gets big, which can't happen if you buy 4k worth of farming items before completing BKB. | ||
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Varth
United States426 Posts
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hooahah
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Yurie
12185 Posts
I get that he was good previously but don't see the point in this patch. | ||
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