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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 05 2013 19:56 GMT
#5741
1.45 on level 4 spirit bear.
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Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 20:01:17
January 05 2013 19:57 GMT
#5742

an earlier butterfly would be better ~~


i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price.
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 05 2013 19:59 GMT
#5743
On January 06 2013 04:56 Qbek wrote:
1.45 on level 4 spirit bear.


LD still attacks faster since he has agility growth then. Maybe if you're on six items that all give attack speed the extra BAT might make a difference.

Although I've also read that BAT wasn't implemented properly so that will never be the case.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 05 2013 20:01 GMT
#5744
Doesn't matter, the bear is really much better to use the items on, simply because it's safer
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 20:15:53
January 05 2013 20:09 GMT
#5745
On January 06 2013 04:57 Irratonalys wrote:
Show nested quote +

an earlier butterfly would be better ~~


i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price.

No, Armlet only grants the +Strength to Illusions. Illusions do not benefit from flat +damage or +attack speed in any form except when they come from an Endurance-based aura.

Note that Manta Style's +MS/+AS are implemented as a 0-radius Endurance Aura, which means that Illusions do benefit them. Consequently, Manta is very valuable for an Illusion hero like PL because all of its stats are Illusion-relevant (and the Manta Illusions can generate their own Illusions).

Illusions benefit from Evasion. This is a big deal lategame.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 20:41:50
January 05 2013 20:09 GMT
#5746
On January 06 2013 04:57 Irratonalys wrote:
Show nested quote +

an earlier butterfly would be better ~~


i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price.


When you're on your third item you should be valuing slot efficiency higher though and armlet is going to get ditched very fast when you're talking about six slotting.

I'm not sure the active actually applies the damage/aspd buff to illusions though. Even if the damage is added on the character sheet it might not actually be applied on hit. The stats are added because it would be very easy to determine if an illusion is fake or not if the stats were not added.

Unholy Strength only applies the str bonus to illusions (attack speed not tested, but it should follow the path principle as damage). If you want strength, buy another reaver instead of making armlet. You don't get the fear created from having purple illusions though.

On January 06 2013 05:01 Qbek wrote:
Doesn't matter, the bear is really much better to use the items on, simply because it's safer


I don't disagree with this. I just find it funny how everyone farms the jungle with their relic on the Bear instead of their LD when it attacks faster. Just something I've noticed in the past week from stalking bear players this past week.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 20:13:27
January 05 2013 20:12 GMT
#5747
dumb pub question...

what's the best thing to do with chen/ench if you get 2 in your safe lane who don't want to rotate around and you have no hero that's good solo offlane? Go offlane and hope you can grab a lucky creep or two at some point while stopping your offlaner from dying/being forever level 1, or just jungle as normal and look to crush safe lane hard enough to make up for the offlane?

I've been doing the latter but people get really bitchy about having to play a shitty solo offlane.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 05 2013 21:05 GMT
#5748
Smoke gank mid or your safe lane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
January 05 2013 21:22 GMT
#5749
Are there any heroes beyond Batrider who can trigger the bonus damage from Napalm with their auto-attacks? Or any spells that deal damage multiple times?
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 05 2013 21:23 GMT
#5750
Only damage coming from batrider triggers napalm bonus damage. But it's all damage bar radiance and orb of venom.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 21:27:53
January 05 2013 21:27 GMT
#5751
I believe radiance will work if the target has lowered magic resistance/is taking amplified damage. It's about bypassing the minimum damage, atleast in DotA1.
But yea, under normal circumstances radiance doesn't trigger it.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
January 05 2013 21:45 GMT
#5752
can it be that nightstalker is voiced by the same guy who did the vortigaunt voice in half life 2 ? sounds very familiar.
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 05 2013 21:57 GMT
#5753
On January 06 2013 06:27 Unleashing wrote:
I believe radiance will work if the target has lowered magic resistance/is taking amplified damage. It's about bypassing the minimum damage, atleast in DotA1.
But yea, under normal circumstances radiance doesn't trigger it.

Not anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 05 2013 22:04 GMT
#5754
In dota2 it's just disabled for those 2, I think urn is also on the list
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 05 2013 22:12 GMT
#5755
Urn is HP removal, and wouldn't trigger regardless.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
January 06 2013 00:15 GMT
#5756
thunderhammer
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 00:26:01
January 06 2013 00:25 GMT
#5757
On January 06 2013 09:15 Kupon3ss wrote:
thunderhammer

Huh?

Edit: Nvm
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
January 06 2013 01:27 GMT
#5758
On January 06 2013 05:09 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 04:57 Irratonalys wrote:

an earlier butterfly would be better ~~


i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price.

No, Armlet only grants the +Strength to Illusions. Illusions do not benefit from flat +damage or +attack speed in any form except when they come from an Endurance-based aura.

Note that Manta Style's +MS/+AS are implemented as a 0-radius Endurance Aura, which means that Illusions do benefit them. Consequently, Manta is very valuable for an Illusion hero like PL because all of its stats are Illusion-relevant (and the Manta Illusions can generate their own Illusions).

Illusions benefit from Evasion. This is a big deal lategame.

By the way, armlet is good on spirit bear. If you activate it and move it to your bear, you don't get the strength, but you don't get the life drain either, and you end up with a +40 damage, +25 ias, 5 armor, 8 regen per second item for 2600. Like maelstrom, but with less single target damage (24+30), but more tower pushing damage and armor.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 01:47:54
January 06 2013 01:41 GMT
#5759
Hmm, could bear use Armlet in DotA 1? I don't remember.

That said, I'm not sure how worthwhile Armlet is without benefiting from the Strength/Armlet juking. The Maelstrom comparison isn't all that good because Maelstrom is a farming item, so it's priced with that somewhat in mind (like Radi and Battle Fury), and is more slot-efficient because it builds into an end-game item as well.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-06 02:06:49
January 06 2013 02:01 GMT
#5760
I used armlet on bear a lot in dota 1 (with a wisp player).

People get maelstrom on sylla more so they can fight earlier (than saving for radiance), not so much for hardcore farming. Armlet is an I want to crush all your towers/your base right now item.

Edit: maelstrom proc and entangle can't coincide right? That reduces maelstrom proc to 20%, which is 6 damage, or entangle to 16%, which is significant.
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