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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
an earlier butterfly would be better ~~ i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:56 Qbek wrote: 1.45 on level 4 spirit bear. LD still attacks faster since he has agility growth then. Maybe if you're on six items that all give attack speed the extra BAT might make a difference. Although I've also read that BAT wasn't implemented properly so that will never be the case. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:57 Irratonalys wrote: i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price. No, Armlet only grants the +Strength to Illusions. Illusions do not benefit from flat +damage or +attack speed in any form except when they come from an Endurance-based aura. Note that Manta Style's +MS/+AS are implemented as a 0-radius Endurance Aura, which means that Illusions do benefit them. Consequently, Manta is very valuable for an Illusion hero like PL because all of its stats are Illusion-relevant (and the Manta Illusions can generate their own Illusions). Illusions benefit from Evasion. This is a big deal lategame. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 06 2013 04:57 Irratonalys wrote: i honestly dont think so , remember , all the active armlets boni are shared to your illusions , so armelt gives your illusions +31 damage , + 10 attack speed and + 24 strength while all they get from a butterfly is +30 agility. for more than double the price. When you're on your third item you should be valuing slot efficiency higher though and armlet is going to get ditched very fast when you're talking about six slotting. I'm not sure the active actually applies the damage/aspd buff to illusions though. Even if the damage is added on the character sheet it might not actually be applied on hit. The stats are added because it would be very easy to determine if an illusion is fake or not if the stats were not added. Unholy Strength only applies the str bonus to illusions (attack speed not tested, but it should follow the path principle as damage). If you want strength, buy another reaver instead of making armlet. You don't get the fear created from having purple illusions though. On January 06 2013 05:01 Qbek wrote: Doesn't matter, the bear is really much better to use the items on, simply because it's safer I don't disagree with this. I just find it funny how everyone farms the jungle with their relic on the Bear instead of their LD when it attacks faster. Just something I've noticed in the past week from stalking bear players this past week. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
what's the best thing to do with chen/ench if you get 2 in your safe lane who don't want to rotate around and you have no hero that's good solo offlane? Go offlane and hope you can grab a lucky creep or two at some point while stopping your offlaner from dying/being forever level 1, or just jungle as normal and look to crush safe lane hard enough to make up for the offlane? I've been doing the latter but people get really bitchy about having to play a shitty solo offlane. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
But yea, under normal circumstances radiance doesn't trigger it. | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 06 2013 06:27 Unleashing wrote: I believe radiance will work if the target has lowered magic resistance/is taking amplified damage. It's about bypassing the minimum damage, atleast in DotA1. But yea, under normal circumstances radiance doesn't trigger it. Not anymore | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On January 06 2013 09:15 Kupon3ss wrote: thunderhammer Huh? Edit: Nvm | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On January 06 2013 05:09 TheYango wrote: No, Armlet only grants the +Strength to Illusions. Illusions do not benefit from flat +damage or +attack speed in any form except when they come from an Endurance-based aura. Note that Manta Style's +MS/+AS are implemented as a 0-radius Endurance Aura, which means that Illusions do benefit them. Consequently, Manta is very valuable for an Illusion hero like PL because all of its stats are Illusion-relevant (and the Manta Illusions can generate their own Illusions). Illusions benefit from Evasion. This is a big deal lategame. By the way, armlet is good on spirit bear. If you activate it and move it to your bear, you don't get the strength, but you don't get the life drain either, and you end up with a +40 damage, +25 ias, 5 armor, 8 regen per second item for 2600. Like maelstrom, but with less single target damage (24+30), but more tower pushing damage and armor. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
That said, I'm not sure how worthwhile Armlet is without benefiting from the Strength/Armlet juking. The Maelstrom comparison isn't all that good because Maelstrom is a farming item, so it's priced with that somewhat in mind (like Radi and Battle Fury), and is more slot-efficient because it builds into an end-game item as well. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
People get maelstrom on sylla more so they can fight earlier (than saving for radiance), not so much for hardcore farming. Armlet is an I want to crush all your towers/your base right now item. Edit: maelstrom proc and entangle can't coincide right? That reduces maelstrom proc to 20%, which is 6 damage, or entangle to 16%, which is significant. | ||
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