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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-19 16:23:20
December 19 2015 16:22 GMT
#23341
Has anyone played around with Iron Talon on Crystal Maiden? I know it sounds gimmicky, but it actually seems pretty nice.

I'm awful at jungle routes, but I was still able to get ~2:20 level 3 CM with full hp >50% mana and enough gold for boots & some other goodies to influence the lanes. The only downside is you need the other support to get you your 2nd ward and courier at the start and you'll have no hp regen (but you should be able to buy some when you pick up the boots and smoke I think).

Anyways here's what I did:

-Start Talon + Clarity + whatever (you have 75g left)
-(Optional?) Use Talon to clear a quicker path between hard and medium camp.
-Pull Hard Camp + Freeze Big minion use Iron Talon on the 2nd biggest minion.
-Attack big minion enough so it will die to frost bite then hit the minion you taloned.
-When time gets close let camp reset, pull to stack it, Talon the 2nd biggest minion again + kill it.
-Get 115 mana while harassing + iron talon the next biggest minion at the camp.
-Freeze biggest minion, pop clarity, and hit it so it will die.
-Stack Camp again at 2:00 or go to medium camp and frostbite big + talon small.

Basically just the idea that you frostbite the big creep then use the talon on another creep 2x (or sometimes 1x) to get it low so it's easy to kill.

There's probably better patterns, maybe you could kill a medium creep first while stacking the large so you can talon x2 one large creep while frostbite killing the other one. Either way it's interesting at least. A fast level 3 CM with boots seems pretty nice or you can go 0-1-2 and keep jungling.
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DazzleEnthusiast
Profile Joined May 2014
United States72 Posts
December 22 2015 17:16 GMT
#23342
what's the best way to get around a good dewarding zeus??
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 18:19:43
December 22 2015 18:19 GMT
#23343
I have a collection of specific anti-zeus ward spots that are less frequently checked - obscure cliff spots, the less commonly watched side of important intersections etc. To find these, watch some replays and note where they bolted and where would have been okay.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
December 22 2015 19:15 GMT
#23344
On December 23 2015 02:16 DazzleEnthusiast wrote:
what's the best way to get around a good dewarding zeus??

There's no real good answer besides not putting wards in the common places that he will check, and far enough from creep pathing so that he doesn't find them accidentally while farming lanes.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 05:09:10
December 25 2015 05:08 GMT
#23345
Is arc warden's magnetic field evasion supposed to work under chrono? Because it does
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
December 25 2015 05:23 GMT
#23346
On December 25 2015 14:08 Nevuk wrote:
Is arc warden's magnetic field evasion supposed to work under chrono? Because it does

chrono no longer disables evasion so yes
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 28 2015 16:53 GMT
#23347
anyone kno wat happens if morph replicates into a replicate that is currently being dueled? does the duel immediately end as if the illusion was destroyed, or does she continue the duel with morph
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 17:52:50
December 28 2015 17:51 GMT
#23348
I know the new Time Walk counts as a heal since Ice Blast prevents it from working. If Oracle uses Purifying Flames on Void and he Time Walks immediately after the damage instance, will he heal from the damage instance and receive the secondary heal?

On December 25 2015 14:08 Nevuk wrote:
Is arc warden's magnetic field evasion supposed to work under chrono? Because it does


Yes. It would work even under the old Chrono because Magnetic Field evasion is not a passive.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 28 2015 17:59 GMT
#23349
On December 29 2015 02:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I know the new Time Walk counts as a heal since Ice Blast prevents it from working. If Oracle uses Purifying Flames on Void and he Time Walks immediately after the damage instance, will he heal from the damage instance and receive the secondary heal?

theres no reason why he wouldnt, purifying flames is just burst dmg damage followed by heal over time.

im actually more interested to know if the backtrack heal is doubled when he is under false promise
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 18:30:10
December 28 2015 18:08 GMT
#23350
On December 29 2015 02:59 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 02:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I know the new Time Walk counts as a heal since Ice Blast prevents it from working. If Oracle uses Purifying Flames on Void and he Time Walks immediately after the damage instance, will he heal from the damage instance and receive the secondary heal?

theres no reason why he wouldnt, purifying flames is just burst dmg damage followed by heal over time.

im actually more interested to know if the backtrack heal is doubled when he is under false promise


I was curious because he recovers health with Time Walk under Shallow Grave, and that's programmed as a pre-heal.

Other people have claimed so.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
December 28 2015 18:45 GMT
#23351
On December 29 2015 02:59 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 02:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I know the new Time Walk counts as a heal since Ice Blast prevents it from working. If Oracle uses Purifying Flames on Void and he Time Walks immediately after the damage instance, will he heal from the damage instance and receive the secondary heal?

theres no reason why he wouldnt, purifying flames is just burst dmg damage followed by heal over time.

im actually more interested to know if the backtrack heal is doubled when he is under false promise


AFAIK backtrack isn't/wasn't a heal in dota 2 so it wouldn't have doubled under false promise
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 28 2015 19:03 GMT
#23352
On December 29 2015 03:45 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 02:59 ahswtini wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I know the new Time Walk counts as a heal since Ice Blast prevents it from working. If Oracle uses Purifying Flames on Void and he Time Walks immediately after the damage instance, will he heal from the damage instance and receive the secondary heal?

theres no reason why he wouldnt, purifying flames is just burst dmg damage followed by heal over time.

im actually more interested to know if the backtrack heal is doubled when he is under false promise


AFAIK backtrack isn't/wasn't a heal in dota 2 so it wouldn't have doubled under false promise

they mean the heal from the new timewalk
where you recover all health lost in the last 2 seconds
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
December 28 2015 19:11 GMT
#23353
On December 29 2015 04:03 Verniy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 03:45 tehh4ck3r wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:59 ahswtini wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I know the new Time Walk counts as a heal since Ice Blast prevents it from working. If Oracle uses Purifying Flames on Void and he Time Walks immediately after the damage instance, will he heal from the damage instance and receive the secondary heal?

theres no reason why he wouldnt, purifying flames is just burst dmg damage followed by heal over time.

im actually more interested to know if the backtrack heal is doubled when he is under false promise


AFAIK backtrack isn't/wasn't a heal in dota 2 so it wouldn't have doubled under false promise

they mean the heal from the new timewalk
where you recover all health lost in the last 2 seconds


timewalk is a heal now so yes, you should get double healing from false promise and timewalk
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 29 2015 03:13 GMT
#23354
Are cogs supposed to cancel SB charge?
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 03:30:45
December 29 2015 03:30 GMT
#23355
do u mean if the sb is charging and than the clock cogs infront of his charge? yes that will stop it, tho i dont believe the cogs can hit him on his way out from inside the cog
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
December 29 2015 03:30 GMT
#23356
On December 29 2015 12:30 Shock710 wrote:
do u mean if the sb is charging and than the clock cogs infront of his charge? yes that will stop it, tho i dont believe he cogs can hit him on his way out from inside the cog

I know it does stop it in the current patch, just wasn't sure if it's intended behaviour or not.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 03:41:32
December 29 2015 03:38 GMT
#23357
On December 29 2015 12:30 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 12:30 Shock710 wrote:
do u mean if the sb is charging and than the clock cogs infront of his charge? yes that will stop it, tho i dont believe he cogs can hit him on his way out from inside the cog

I know it does stop it in the current patch, just wasn't sure if it's intended behaviour or not.

nvm im just wrong lol
http://dotainteractions.com/search?s=Power Cogs&h=Clockwerk&s2=Charge of Darkness&h2=Spirit Breaker

this is also interesting http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=84794
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
December 29 2015 08:10 GMT
#23358
On December 29 2015 12:30 Birdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 12:30 Shock710 wrote:
do u mean if the sb is charging and than the clock cogs infront of his charge? yes that will stop it, tho i dont believe he cogs can hit him on his way out from inside the cog

I know it does stop it in the current patch, just wasn't sure if it's intended behaviour or not.


On December 29 2015 12:38 Shock710 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 12:30 Birdie wrote:
On December 29 2015 12:30 Shock710 wrote:
do u mean if the sb is charging and than the clock cogs infront of his charge? yes that will stop it, tho i dont believe he cogs can hit him on his way out from inside the cog

I know it does stop it in the current patch, just wasn't sure if it's intended behaviour or not.

nvm im just wrong lol
http://dotainteractions.com/search?s=Power Cogs&h=Clockwerk&s2=Charge of Darkness&h2=Spirit Breaker

this is also interesting http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=84794



it's intended http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/19799/

AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
neozxa
Profile Joined August 2011
Indonesia545 Posts
December 29 2015 20:34 GMT
#23359
Can someone give me the rough item/level/cs benchmarks for Tinker midlane to aim for in each game, assuming that the match is going fairly well and you're not that behind or ahead? Cuz I read in a guide that you should always aim to get 8 minutes BoT after Bottle and I find that to be really really difficult without the opposing midlaner screwing up a few times and manage to feed me some kills. I tend to get BoT around 12-13 minutes even after dying 2 times in lane so I think I'm not doing too bad in terms of earlygame farm, but somehow I really start to slow down on farm when I get my level 11. I get 30 minutes Vyse and then my farming speeds up from there, don't really know what I am doing wrong.
Keep moving forward
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-29 20:48:38
December 29 2015 20:48 GMT
#23360
in general, 60-70 last hits in first 10minutes and 100 every 10 minutes from there on is considered good.

E: obviously in uncontested lane.
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