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On July 06 2015 14:57 manicmessiah wrote:
Why does illidan get rod of atos on carry silencer instead of the usual midas>aghs>refresher?
I thought Aghs is ass on carry Silencer since you get more damage out of buffing up your Glaive damage than from adding some damage to Global?
Also Atos gives tons of INT and some HP for a fairly cheap price, so it gives Silencer a lot of what he needs if he's gonna be a carry.
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it depends on what kind of carry youre talking about
both builds require position 1 or 2 farm, so in that sense they are both carry silencers
however one is teamfight oriented and one is right click oriented
both have their pros and cons so it really depends on what your team needs and what kind of fights you are going for
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Any tips for PA landing dagger last hit? For level 1 and 2 dagger I can't seem to land it from afar against the enemy's attempt to deny.
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Do you know any streamer who also teachs about game? Synderen gives a few tips but it would be better if I knew some more.
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On July 07 2015 16:15 Quochobao wrote:
Any tips for PA landing dagger last hit? For level 1 and 2 dagger I can't seem to land it from afar against the enemy's attempt to deny.
lvl 1 dagger does 60 dmg, and lvl 2 dagger 100 dmg, which is more than most heroes' atk dmg (plus it ignores armour), so u just have to treat it like last hitting with a ranged attack, there are no special tricks to it
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On July 06 2015 15:42 Verniy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 14:57 manicmessiah wrote:
Why does illidan get rod of atos on carry silencer instead of the usual midas>aghs>refresher? I thought Aghs is ass on carry Silencer since you get more damage out of buffing up your Glaive damage than from adding some damage to Global? Also Atos gives tons of INT and some HP for a fairly cheap price, so it gives Silencer a lot of what he needs if he's gonna be a carry.
How heavily does the active slow of Atos weigh into the decision? Would it still be a viable option without it?
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If Atos didn't have the slow I wouldn't build it on any hero in any scenario just for the stats. If Atos had its slow but had worse stats I wouldn't build it.
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On July 07 2015 23:30 HUMMAN wrote:
Do you know any streamer who also teachs about game? Synderen gives a few tips but it would be better if I knew some more.
while they don't really teach you can learn alot of little things from arteezy(when he;s not fucking around) and envy(if he's not raging too much and is under pressure) stream
like for envy you'd learn some really aggressive and neat team decision(cause he orders his team around alot which can be really annoying even to watch) .. and for arteezy you'd learn a looottttt of little efficiency tactics that you won't see from other pros and holy fuck the dude is the midlaner you'd surely learn a lot about midlane with him.
There's honestly very streamers few who interacts their viewers like there's merlini and blitz i think. S4 is like synd very cool but he doesn't talk alot.
On July 07 2015 23:55 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:42 Verniy wrote:On July 06 2015 14:57 manicmessiah wrote:
Why does illidan get rod of atos on carry silencer instead of the usual midas>aghs>refresher? I thought Aghs is ass on carry Silencer since you get more damage out of buffing up your Glaive damage than from adding some damage to Global? Also Atos gives tons of INT and some HP for a fairly cheap price, so it gives Silencer a lot of what he needs if he's gonna be a carry. How heavily does the active slow of Atos weigh into the decision? Would it still be a viable option without it?
The stats of atos gives a lot of what silencer wants which is survivabilty and damage/int. The active is pretty good on him prevents you from getting charged by someone or prevent someone from storming out of your sight.
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Is there any trick to farming neutrals efficiently as jugg / PA / AM? I'm thinking along the line of SF stacking with his raze, or alchemist stacking with acid spray.
In my pubs my support rarely stack for me, so I just have to run around from one camp to the next (cutting trees and blinking of course). It seems slightly inefficient clearning individual camps like that when I have fury.
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for PA you could get an early HOTD and stack a neutral camp with a dominated creep
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Why do people sometimes get vlads on am, is it just so they can sustain in jungle if they're in a shitty lane?
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On July 08 2015 05:52 OtomPotom wrote:
Why do people sometimes get vlads on am, is it just so they can sustain in jungle if they're in a shitty lane?
you can farm ancients without getting low, you can take roshan (used to be better when qb still worked on it), and yea just staying full hp while farming is generally nice
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Back when roshan had mana a vlads was almost all you needed to solo him as AM
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On July 08 2015 05:52 OtomPotom wrote:
Why do people sometimes get vlads on am, is it just so they can sustain in jungle if they're in a shitty lane?
is this before or after bfury?
if its vlads before bfury then thats a pretty shit item path so you should never do it
vlads after bfury is gotten for slightly faster push and never going back to base. bfury provides enough sustain for farming purposes, but if you take some damage from a hero and then try to return to farming you are at higher risk of dying because you cant go back to full hp without going back to base (or ferrying items). vlads let you farm straight away after a fight, but the sustain aspect is not the biggest reason why you get it, the pushing power is. some people also argue that you need vlads when you need to punch on 1v1 with certain heroes because of the lifesteal, but tbh the lifesteal on am isnt make or break and getting vlads means you have to sacrifice one of heart/bfly/abyssal/bkb
also these justifications for vlads pickups only really make sense if you need an item NOW and you have to decide on what to get. if you can afford to save more, going manta/bfly/heart/abyss/bkb is 9/10 the better option
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no one would ever suggest or consider vlads before bfury (except in games that seem almost impossible anyway and you have literally nothing to farm but jungle creeps, and likely enemy jungle creeps at that)
i dont see how the pushing power is the primary consideration at all; just being able to regen after losing hp is... you haven't given a real reason how that isn't the most important benefit of vlads
i agree that it's not much in the way of adding to manfighting, considering lifesteal early on is relatively minor in manfights
but most games where you get vlads you're going to sell it for your 6th item and if it's a game where it's appropriate it's not like it actually slows it down because you should've gotten 1150 gold+ utility out of getting it
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On July 08 2015 05:52 OtomPotom wrote:
Why do people sometimes get vlads on am, is it just so they can sustain in jungle if they're in a shitty lane?
I asked Black about this a year ago:
heart comes after manta earliest, vlad is good because it helps everyone in a fight and you can get rosh easily
these days no one gets heart anymore too
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On July 08 2015 08:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
no one would ever suggest or consider vlads before bfury (except in games that seem almost impossible anyway and you have literally nothing to farm but jungle creeps, and likely enemy jungle creeps at that)
i dont see how the pushing power is the primary consideration at all; just being able to regen after losing hp is... you haven't given a real reason how that isn't the most important benefit of vlads
i agree that it's not much in the way of adding to manfighting, considering lifesteal early on is relatively minor in manfights
but most games where you get vlads you're going to sell it for your 6th item and if it's a game where it's appropriate it's not like it actually slows it down because you should've gotten 1150 gold+ utility out of getting it
am's main job for the first 20mins is to farm as much as possible. am should be trying to dodge most fights/skirmishes/punch ons before he has at least a manta up (obviously this doesnt apply if youre being chased by a solo support or something and you can outright just kill him). so the only way youre really going to lose hp is when youre jungling, because even in lane you have your creeps to tank some hits. bfury's hp regen alone is 9/10 times more than sufficient for farming purposes therefore vlads' extra hp regen is surplus to requirements. the pushing aspect however comes from cases where you need to make space NOW but you cant afford a big item like manta yet. it allows your team to have a slightly stronger push/fight or even in split pushing scenarios it keeps your creeps alive longer therefore allowing you to pressure towers more. im not saying buying a vlads is definitely going to make people think twice about letting an am split push because his push is suddenly so strong; thats not the case. but youre buying vlads with the hope of speeding up your split push attempts just a little quicker which may force that tp back from the opponent and buy your team some space.
and to the poster above, though black is right in that vlads is a good team item due to the aura and it helps rosh attempts, i dont agree that am should be the one to get it. vlads honestly isnt that expensive and the buildup is quite nice. if vlads is really required in a team 3/4 position heroes should be able to get it fairly easily
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i mean sure you're not looking to fight, but for every smoke gank or gank that you cant see coming because you're farming in unwarded territory that brings you to low hp, vlads is going to get you to safe levels of hp that much faster, meaning you can always tp across the map to another tower instead of to base
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if you have a completed bfury but you find yourself constantly below 75% hp when all youve been doing is farming creeps, then youre doing something wrong
i would try to further explain why vlads is such a situational pick up, but i feel id end up writing a guide on how to farm as am instead so im just gonna pass
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