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On March 21 2015 04:36 BoZiffer wrote:
Question regarding playing as Slark vs a high-evasion carry like PA - when would you go after MKB, post-SB pre-Skadi?
probably depends on how big a problem the PA is relative to the rest of her team + whether or not your team can deal with the PA with magic damage and such... if you think you can outcarry her later and continue picking off her team, you can probably put it off until after skadi, if dealing with her specifically is what's keeping you from winning the game, finish the mkb
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United States47024 Posts
I mean, it's not like you can safely siege high ground with a 1200 HP Slark, so it's not like getting MKB super early will let you win the game.
Your magic burst is still quite threatening to her until she has a BKB.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
if i'm against pa i might just skip my usual sny after lothars and build straight into a skadi, and then mkb. really depends on how the game is going
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Why isn't mid Nyx considered popular/viable in higher MMRs? Seems like a such a good hero since he comes out even with most mids, counters a lot of the meta heroes, and generally is a gank God. He seems like such a good hero. I am confused.
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I'm pretty sure he loses vs SF, Sniper, and Troll. Not 100% sure about Lina and Storm, but out of the 5 meta heroes I can think of it's 3 definite losses as far as I can tell. Storm can always be run safelane with a different hero mid, too.
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He doesn't lose any of those MUs unless troll goes melee axes. Only heroes he loses hard to are Viper and Razor. The rest he just wins or breaks even by denying, getting bottle/boots/wand, staying alive, and either killing enemy mid if he gets too cocky or ha taken too much harass and then at 6 you just A) Kill enemy mid or B) Gank sidelanes.
Honestly this meta is great for Nyx as with dagon he one hit KOS all the meta mids and you don't have to go up vs the hell lane of Viper or Razor so you can actually pick Nyx.
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i think nyx is pretty good too but i can guarantee u that he loses mid to all of those heroes
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I don't see how a Nyx wins lane vs a Sniper or a Troll. Troll has superior damage, the ability to go range or melee with bash and two forms of axes, and Sniper has shrapnel, headshot, and very high range to take control of lane. Nyx's manaburn doesn't seem very effective vs either hero, Impale seems OK vs troll but needs setup vs Sniper, spiked carapace is fine vs sniper ulti and maybe troll axes if he doesn't use them point-blank, but otherwise Nyx seems like a very mediocre midlaner vs those two heroes in particular.
I think that vs SF Nyx lacks the tools to dominate him in lane early, meaning that after a point SF will just dominate lane. Additionally, Nyx doesn't scale as well as SF, so even in a situation where you're trading farm somewhat evenly because SF's pushing out each wave with razes, I think it's still skewed in SF's favor.
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Mid Nyx gets destroyed by a lot of other (primarily ranged) mid heroes. Nyx is viable as a hero, however, seeing him play mid is just out of the question. He can offlane then roam to gank when he gets siz.
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United States47024 Posts
On March 21 2015 14:22 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
The rest he just wins or breaks even by denying, getting bottle/boots/wand, staying alive, and either killing enemy mid if he gets too cocky or ha taken too much harass and then at 6 you just A) Kill enemy mid or B) Gank sidelanes.
A only happens if they're too stupid to buy sentries for themselves when you're close to 6 and B doesn't happen without you losing your tower or massive amounts of farm because Nyx can't keep lane pressure out against any of those heroes because they don't use mana aggressively enough that Mana Burn stops them through Bottle mana.
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On March 21 2015 14:22 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
He doesn't lose any of those MUs unless troll goes melee axes. Only heroes he loses hard to are Viper and Razor. The rest he just wins or breaks even by denying, getting bottle/boots/wand, staying alive, and either killing enemy mid if he gets too cocky or ha taken too much harass and then at 6 you just A) Kill enemy mid or B) Gank sidelanes.
Honestly this meta is great for Nyx as with dagon he one hit KOS all the meta mids and you don't have to go up vs the hell lane of Viper or Razor so you can actually pick Nyx.
Nyx mid rushing dagon used to be a thing but he had a guaranteed stun and max damage on lvl 1 mana burn. And he was basicly a freewin for the ennemy team if they bought sentries. It was basicly "nyx is 6 ss", nyx walks into sidelane and feed the ennemy team or lose time. This style works only against no wards/no detection. If mid dies early he gives tons of XP to the opponents, really not worth it + lost time walking between lanes. If you want to abuse invisiblity, play riki.
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United States47024 Posts
Well that was also when you had heroes like Dragon Knight/Magnus/etc. bottle-crowing mid, and Mana Burn was actually effective against them because while they don't have high Int, their farming nuke uses almost half their mana pool at low levels.
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On March 22 2015 03:24 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 14:22 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
He doesn't lose any of those MUs unless troll goes melee axes. Only heroes he loses hard to are Viper and Razor. The rest he just wins or breaks even by denying, getting bottle/boots/wand, staying alive, and either killing enemy mid if he gets too cocky or ha taken too much harass and then at 6 you just A) Kill enemy mid or B) Gank sidelanes.
Honestly this meta is great for Nyx as with dagon he one hit KOS all the meta mids and you don't have to go up vs the hell lane of Viper or Razor so you can actually pick Nyx. Nyx mid rushing dagon used to be a thing but he had a guaranteed stun and max damage on lvl 1 mana burn. And he was basicly a freewin for the ennemy team if they bought sentries. It was basicly "nyx is 6 ss", nyx walks into sidelane and feed the ennemy team or lose time. This style works only against no wards/no detection. If mid dies early he gives tons of XP to the opponents, really not worth it + lost time walking between lanes. If you want to abuse invisiblity, play riki.
So basically in higher levels of play people actually know how to counter Nyx. And why Riki of all heroes to abuse invis? Its like one of the 1st dota lessons you learn when getting out of THE TRENCH is to buy wrads/dust vs Riki along with rules like dont panic and run like a heaadless chicken with Rupture on. I have personally found that abusing invis is better with non perma invis heroes as pubs are way more reluctant to buy that stuff vs heroes like Weaver and Nyx.
Also if your worried about people buying wards and stuff on sidelanes why not buy a TP scroll and go real quick to sidelanes and gank with your laners, treating Vendetta as a nuke?
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riki can farm instead of ganking if it isnt an ez kill. its not nearly as obvious when he goes missing
also since rikis permanently invis u can scout the area or wait for them to go out of position before u go in
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Even 2k mmr people know to keep a sentry/dust when nyx is 6. :D so yeah TP to a sidelane then vendetta to nuke will get scouted out and the sidelanes will play it safe, making you lose time and your enemy mid is just having a grand time.
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On March 22 2015 13:31 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Even 2k mmr people know to keep a sentry/dust when nyx is 6. :D so yeah TP to a sidelane then vendetta to nuke will get scouted out and the sidelanes will play it safe, making you lose time and your enemy mid is just having a grand time.
Having partied up with 2k and lower before, no they don't  riki and other invis heroes are extremely strong at that level because of the complete lack of sentries and gem bought.
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Other than the few professional drafting analysis', are there any good tutorials/guides/videos on drafting at a reasonable level?
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Why is QB broken for Tidebringer in Dota 1 but functional for things like Great Cleave?
My guess would be that the nature of either Tidebringer's cooldown or bonus damage means it has to be coded as a different skill that won't play nice with QB?
e: ugh my mechanics knowledge is apparently shit, it's just a balance consideration -_-
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On March 22 2015 13:54 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 13:31 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Even 2k mmr people know to keep a sentry/dust when nyx is 6. :D so yeah TP to a sidelane then vendetta to nuke will get scouted out and the sidelanes will play it safe, making you lose time and your enemy mid is just having a grand time. Having partied up with 2k and lower before, no they don't riki and other invis heroes are extremely strong at that level because of the complete lack of sentries and gem bought.
For real? Maybe in high 2kmmr? cuz I'm at 2.8k and so far, when there are invi heroes in the game, we split a sentry ward right away
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On March 22 2015 19:52 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 13:54 Birdie wrote:On March 22 2015 13:31 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Even 2k mmr people know to keep a sentry/dust when nyx is 6. :D so yeah TP to a sidelane then vendetta to nuke will get scouted out and the sidelanes will play it safe, making you lose time and your enemy mid is just having a grand time. Having partied up with 2k and lower before, no they don't riki and other invis heroes are extremely strong at that level because of the complete lack of sentries and gem bought. For real? Maybe in high 2kmmr? cuz I'm at 2.8k and so far, when there are invi heroes in the game, we split a sentry ward right away
You might get an initial sentry, but from what I recall of that approximate level of play after the laning stage the detection mostly doesn't exist. No defensive sentries, barely any dust, and never a gem haha 
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