EPTtl;dr What's the best way to memorize items, and what items (not specific, things like armor, damage, etc) should each role be buliding?
Learning items and builds?
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Absurd Bunny
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tl;dr What's the best way to memorize items, and what items (not specific, things like armor, damage, etc) should each role be buliding? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
When you're first starting, this is a good reference (in most cases). After awhile, you start learning about roles, situations calling for the right items, etc. | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
Another way is to just look up what the items do. The items can be easily categorized by the attributes they give, what they do (active item like sheepstick or dagon, damage item like MKB or rapier, support item like urn or mek, etc. etc.). After knowing this its not hard to imagine what items should go on which hero. Unfortunately there is no easy way to do this. It's not set in stone what a hero's role is based on their main attribute. For example dark seer is a intellegence hero but most people build him very tanky, much like a strength hero. Also there are items that are good on heros not just because of their role but also because of their skillset and needs. For example, orchid of malevolence, a semi-popular disable item on intelligence heros is a must get for the agility carry Clinkz because of need for mana and a his burst damage nature. Orchid however is not a good item on any other agility hero. So the only way to do this is to learn what your hero does and what all the items do. You can easily just follow guides and you'll learn a lot a long the way. http://www.dotafire.com/ http://www.dota2alttab.com/ | ||
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
For each heroes, there are core items that are recommended because they are the main items that maximise the strengths or cover the weaknesses of said heroes. e.g. tide has great supporting skills but mana intensive and low mana pool -> arcane boots. As per the other posters, some websites can give general ideas of what are good items. The ingame suggested items are OK but may not be the best (seems like magic stick on all heroes!!!) Then you have luxury items that you can get and are more situational to the games/ enemy picks. Anyway, the important thing is to know what role you are generally playing and then go in that direction. e.g. you are carry and enemy no cc? Pure DPS and no BKB can be viable. you are carry/ initiator with heavy disable enemy team? BKB may be needed You are support and enemy carry too stronk? Need certain disable e.g. halberd to disarm or guinsoo to hex | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 10 2012 12:43 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.dota2alttab.com/ When you're first starting, this is a good reference (in most cases). After awhile, you start learning about roles, situations calling for the right items, etc. This is what I used to start out with too. Overall the most reliable guide-on-every-hero page out there. I would suggest getting comfortable with 2-3 heroes (say 10 games each) and then playing random in pubs until you get a feel for most heroes / each role. Knowing what each item and hero does is very important  | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
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Wooper!!!
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Please don't use Dotafire however, most of the guides have downright terrible advice. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On December 10 2012 12:42 Absurd Bunny wrote: What's the best way to learn how to memorize the items in the game, and which my hero needs? My biggest problem is that I remember what heroes in LoL need to build, and counters to opponents, but how do I do that in this game? Are builds lane specific? In LoL, specific heroes go top, like bruisers and pushers, and the adc and support go bot, and mid and whatnot, do heroes in Dota 2 do that too, or just different roles go different places? Like if I'm a carry, intelligence, agility, or strength, do I purely build on that, or is there armor and "resist" items that you build? What should each role be building (like armor, damage, etc)? tl;dr What's the best way to memorize items, and what items (not specific, things like armor, damage, etc) should each role be buliding? I looked at the alt tab guides and about 80% of them are spot on, and the ones that aren't won't hurt you much (get decay on dirge/undying first please though) You should use them. Generally heroes with spammable strong nukes go mid and get a bottle. This gives them rune control and the ability to gank. Heroes with an escape mechanism go long lane (windrunner, bounty hunter, brood mother, magnataur, potm, dark seer), or an aggressive dual/tri lane can also work, like a carry with a stun and a support. Carries go short lane with a support or 2. Jungling in pubs tend to ruin lanes. In pubs anything can happen. I played with my friend in the highest tier of matchmaking, and our lanes were gyro mid, void magnatuar top, windrunner bottom and beastmaster jungle (the wr and bm picked last... we had perfect lanes until then). What that means to someone who doesn't know dota is our last 2 picks fucked up and we lost all 3 lanes, only to come back lategame because they couldn't push into our base. At lower tiers it will just be worse, so you can't trust any standard of laning. Normally its 2-1-2, but it can be anything from 5 people in 1 lane to 4 people roaming (ive seen and done both). If you're a carry you want damage and hp. Armor will come naturally if you're agility. Manta is one of the best items in the game for any agi carry. If you're a hard support you want boots and a bracer because you'll be buying wards all game. If you have farm as a support you can get mek/pipe/force staff. The best way to memorize it is just to play a LOT, theres no other way of doing it. Experience is the best teacher. On December 10 2012 15:14 matiK23 wrote: Are the guides on playdota or dota all stars outdated? I too wanted to wanted know about guides since I'm spoiled by lol guides. Playdota guides are all outdated, and the dotafire guides are awful, I wouldn't trust any of them, all of the ones i've seen have absurd skill builds. Is dota-allstars archive up? Spit-wad said he would but i haven't looked into it yet, so I can't read the divine aegis clinkz guides =( The playdota guides with a high rating are still relevant because they teach you how to lane, it really depends on the guide, if you showed it to me i'd tell you, but thats obviously not gonna happen. Generally if the skills on the hero are the same in dota 2 and in the guide you're in good shape. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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qzaWarLady
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jermmanDOTA
Canada45 Posts
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synd
Bulgaria586 Posts
I read every guide for the hero I'm looking for at that moment, do a quick check to see which content is better. In my situation figuring out what skill builds to go for, is quite easy. I don't need a guide to tell me that, when in most situations my decision-making is actually better. So when you've found out most items what do they do and in which situations you make them, you start to think. For example Armlet of Mordiggian. I notice that it's used a lot on str heroes who have some sort of passive aura that regens them hp. So I start to think - "aha, maybe this item is 'categorized' for str heroes only?' (Slardar, Skeleton King, Dragon Knight and etc). So you get the idea. Also dota2wiki is helpful when you're too lazy to open dota2 and remind yourself what was that annoying ability the other hero used yesterday on you. | ||
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KIH
Finland14 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Once you learn items and their purposes, you will instinctively know what item to get and when. You will also know how to deviate from the standard. And if you want to screw around with funky Shadowblade/Dagon builds on unconventional wielders, you will know how to go about doing it. | ||
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Defekter
Canada37 Posts
go through the items, read up on them, and find out what each one Actually brings to the game. then after you've understood your role that you need to do in the particular game, build around that. there are items that are considered " a build" for a hero, but its not always the best choice | ||
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
This is also a pretty good place to start out. If you're not sure what to do, go with the recommended items and follow the tips in the guide. After playing a lot, you'll become more familiar with the items and begin to develop your own understanding of what's good on what hero. Later still, you'll begin to appreciate in what situation it is good and in which it is not. But, just as in most things, starting out by going on the word of others is usually a pretty good place to start. Take a look at some guides. The items on the hero rely on the skill-set and the role. For example, an item-independent support hero like Lich should probably be investing gold into team items like wards and mekanism. An item-dependent hero like Anti-mage shoud probably be dumping all his gold into expensive carry items so he can dominate in the late game. Once again, here, let the guides guide you. Do first and your understanding will follow after once you have enough games under your belt. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
Also, Purge did a nice video a long while back (a bit of a blast from the past in terms of icons) going over a lot of them too. Just know that there are no such things as "item builds", you get what you need. There are general items that are good on certain types of heroes, but as a whole, don't follow rigid "builds" | ||
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Solaris999
United Kingdom194 Posts
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