Lahara turns every thread into a troll thread.

That said, the discussion on the guide has deteriorated rapidly (most likely due to the quality of the guide).

Doomblaze

United States1292 Posts

December 15 2012 01:42 GMT

#42

Wasn't it always a troll thread? If this guy plays in "high" level mmr he doesnt know what hes doing...

Random_Guy09

Canada1010 Posts

December 15 2012 02:30 GMT

#43

On December 15 2012 04:10 MakyIsME wrote:
@Bluehawky and DucK-.
why would an Dendi's invoker buy blink on top of phaseboots and force staff ?

If you watch alot of Dendi's competitive games he likes to go force staff, blink, phase boots alot unless hes playing pudge. Don't bring up stuff that pro's due during competitive matches because honestly you probably don't know the reasoning behind it. Dendi as a player likes more mobility even if the hero he is given has such (puck and his orb).

And don't be a complete dick to the people here that are giving you feedback by belittilng them...

So yeah point being don't be an ass to people if your writing a guide or just don't write one at all. And don't question the item choices of pro's as they have specific reasons and play styles they like to use so don't ask dumb questions about their item choices..

On December 15 2012 10:42 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
Wasn't it always a troll thread? If this guy plays in "high" level mmr he doesnt know what hes doing...

If he plays in "high" mmr he's probably full of it considering he's asking why a pro picks certain items when said pro does it alot for a very obvious reason that even a noob of a couple of months could figure out..

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

December 15 2012 06:06 GMT

#44

On December 15 2012 04:10 MakyIsME wrote:
@Bluehawky and DucK-.
why would an Dendi's invoker buy blink on top of phaseboots and force staff ? I have the same love of mobility for qop. I play in high level MMR and i know that mobility gives more momentum than stats, its much harder to master i agree.

QoP happens to be one of the most balanced hero in the game, that means she leaves a good chance for the ennemy to "comeback" even if you did well early, the enemy carry will always catch up on you if you go Hex+ Physical damage.
With my build, you stay the "most dangerous player" at any point in the game.

I know my early game build is odd for many of you, but once again, the early game is up to you. I insist on the late game.

The standard build leads to poor mana management in early game. In a gank you spend allot more mana than with my build. I know it does the job, i simply hate to TP base if i still have hp.

What does Blink on Invoker got to do with this crap build? Blink is perfectly fine on Invoker after he has his core levels. Blink -> Wall -> Cold Snap + Dual Forge or something like that. There's very little link in this argument towards your rubbish build.

Why your item build is flawed is that you're basically approaching this high burst output style the wrong way. Your item progression makes no sense because you're spending so much for mediocre extra burst damage, something a Dagon first would have done better.

Don't really see the need to go back base so often when you have Bottle. You don't even use Ulti all the time in ganks. I would actually be more annoyed having to go back base because I keep having to regen my HP and get no kills. Skill build is just crap, no need to try defend it. I have no doubt that in solo ganks, it could work. But you have zero presence in fight. Have you seen a Drow Ranger in early teamfights? Freaking pathetic because you can't afford to stand openly and just right click + slow. Did I mention that your slow's range is quite bad?

We Are Here

Australia1810 Posts

December 15 2012 10:11 GMT

#45

QOP was my favourite hero in Dota 1, it's an interesting build that I think wouldn't work at higher levels. But if it's fun for you keep using it. I've seen most of it, I've seen orchid into butterfly by one of the russian pros. I remember a short period where pros (i've seen loda, kuroky and LoH use it) dps qop with orchid and deso + bkb if needed. But my favourite qop build was kuroky's one in MYM vs Mouz (one of my fav dota 1 games), where he goes hex refresher, need to see that game if you haven't. Anyways, it seems interesting and i'll give it a try.

BlueRoyaL

United States2493 Posts

December 15 2012 20:30 GMT

#46

this is obviously a troll build (whether intentional by the author or not). It will only work in low-level games where your opponents are crap.

Reminds me of the couple times i've been able to go dagon5 into ethereal on AM. Same kinda shit - it is pretty fun though. Only do it if the game is in the can from the first 10 minutes

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

December 16 2012 01:46 GMT

#47

If you want to stay relevant all game long, you should go phase/linkens/agha/mkb/sheep/daedalus
not even trolling i do that in the first 5pages

MrTortoise

1388 Posts

December 19 2012 22:56 GMT

#48

On December 15 2012 09:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
Has this thread turned into a troll thread or something?

I dont think troll is in dota2 is he?

Doomblaze

United States1292 Posts

December 20 2012 07:50 GMT

#49

On December 20 2012 07:56 MrTortoise wrote:

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I dont think troll is in dota2 is he?

well we got rhasta, huskar, batrider, witch doctor and dazzle, thats a whole team of trolls.

lazyitachi

1043 Posts

December 20 2012 09:11 GMT

#50

On December 16 2012 05:30 BlueRoyaL wrote:
this is obviously a troll build (whether intentional by the author or not). It will only work in low-level games where your opponents are crap.

This this this.. so much this.

Since his computer is now fixed and he can roflstomp others with his imba build let us analyse his QOP games after the transition to his new build.

Here.. let me list out how amazing the build is as demonstrated by OP

LOSE 29 min KDA 9-13-1 XPM 368 GPM 304
LOSE 46 min KDA 5-9-8 XPM 421 GPM 395
LOSE 42 min KDA 6-12-8 XPM 386 GPM 306
LOSE 9 min KDA 0-2-0 XPM 98 GPM 103 <-- LOLOL? Abandon???
WIN 14 min KDA 1-4-0 XPM 370 GPM 236
LOSE 47 min KDA 16-5-9 XPM 595 GPM 437

1 win out of 6. The win comes from early disconnect or early win where he did not contribute anything. It must be the russians! Right??

Ya.. in "HIGH" level game, the win rate bombed. Either OP is bad or the build is bad. Would like to hear his clever explanation seeing he likes to add 1000 edits and rants AFTER someone has posted and then act like it was there to begin with.

Please enlighten me with ur super edits about how I did not read your posts and how you exploded carries and dominated bots.

Alliaria

Sweden18 Posts

December 20 2012 09:48 GMT

#51

Tried this build in CM and in AP and compared it to the normal builds.
If the enemies are baddies in a random pub game with no wards or teamplay it works decent but so does every other build.
In CM I almost lost with it because it is inferior.

Got 80% winrate with qop, playing in "Very High" mmr bracket.

lazyitachi

1043 Posts

December 20 2012 10:03 GMT

#52

I believe there is a mistake in the OP..
Did he mean get 30+ kills over 7 games? or should he clarify only work against bots?

I gotten 50 kills versus bots in one game too! So I must be part of the elite?

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