EPTI expect urn and/or aura items from him. Or go carry and fight like a man.
[Hero] Abaddon - Page 3
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
I expect urn and/or aura items from him. Or go carry and fight like a man. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 01 2014 00:13 Laserist wrote: How can you manage your mana pool with mek and his other spells? I expect urn and/or aura items from him. Or go carry and fight like a man. Bottle + Arcane. I just played a match and I had a lot of trouble trying to deplete it at all. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
On September 30 2014 23:35 Torte de Lini wrote: Ah, we're assuming he is P5, my bad. In most games I play, everyone expects Meka on Abaddon, with bottle, you can create some early team-fights/dives Don't most games people expect Abaddon to be support though? He's a terrible farmer so unless he gets CS in lane he's going to be getting a very slow Mek since he needs Arcane Boots to support it. Abaddon is pretty item independent and really just needs mana items and is very suited for the 5 position. On September 30 2014 22:15 goldspoon wrote: In team fight or pushing stay behind your team, DO NOT go up front and tank for your team, yes you have ult but you would've have bigger impact by NOT being trapped in the same AOE disable as the rest of your team so you can dispell with shield and heal with coil/item. Watch pro games and you will see abaddon turning the tide of battle by staying out of chrono/dp silence to heal/dispell his teammate. Just a single point of Curse grant full movement speed reduction so I suggest putting a value point in by lvl4, but its sitautional as you rarely will be in position to abuse that. I think the value point in Curse is almost always worth it. While you're correct in saying to stay back in big team fights, earlier in the game where there are more small skirmishes you can go in and tank for your squishier teammates and it can really make the difference. If you have kill potential in your lane you can grab an OoV too and really pile on the slow. In the past when the laning phase went terrible and I was completely dead broke I would grab extra points in Curse since I had no mana to even use Coil, but with the rune changes this is probably no longer applicable if you can grab a bottle. On September 30 2014 22:15 goldspoon wrote: When drafting him keep in mind htat Abaddon is a mid game support that unlike other defensive support such as dazzle/omniknight that scales way into late/end game, he is incredible as a complement to pushy lineup, have extremly good synergy with heroes that have mobility/initiators (shield before that go in) or heroes that contribute continueously during a team fight (death prophet, necrophos, viper, bristleback, centaur warrunner, pugna etc). I personally dont advice you to draft him just to gurantee a PL/Spectre to survive laning phase, rather a lineup that favors active mid game phase. Like other defensive supports it is incredibly beneficial to draft him vs a gank heavy lineup. Yep completely agree but to just add to this Abaddon is also great in a defensive tri-lane vs. an aggro tri-lane since they typically rely on chain stuns to get kills. It is really Abaddon's short CD dispel that is what defines the hero IMO, and pairs very well high damage carries who are prone to getting kited. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 01 2014 02:57 Skyro wrote: Don't most games people expect Abaddon to be support though? He's a terrible farmer so unless he gets CS in lane he's going to be getting a very slow Mek since he needs Arcane Boots to support it. Abaddon is pretty item independent and really just needs mana items and is very suited for the 5 position. I think the value point in Curse is almost always worth it. While you're correct in saying to stay back in big team fights, earlier in the game where there are more small skirmishes you can go in and tank for your squishier teammates and it can really make the difference. If you have kill potential in your lane you can grab an OoV too and really pile on the slow. In the past when the laning phase went terrible and I was completely dead broke I would grab extra points in Curse since I had no mana to even use Coil, but with the rune changes this is probably no longer applicable if you can grab a bottle. Yep completely agree but to just add to this Abaddon is also great in a defensive tri-lane vs. an aggro tri-lane since they typically rely on chain stuns to get kills. It is really Abaddon's short CD dispel that is what defines the hero IMO, and pairs very well high damage carries who are prone to getting kited. Typically yeah, I guess you're right. In my match, I got Meka at 20 minutes and that was after dying twice and getting arcane/bottle/wand | ||
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DocSavage
South Africa1 Post
On September 30 2014 16:06 Torte de Lini wrote: Bottle makes this hero so goddamn easy This brings up a interesting point, which maybe deserves a thread of its own. I've been thinking which heroes benefit from the new rune system particularly: so far my thoughts centre on heroes with high mobility so that they don't spend too much time collecting the rune, and who benefit from the mana and heal. My list so far is Abbadon, Slardar and Io; I haven't tried Abbadon yet and I'm not a good enough player to use Io effectively, but Slardar really does well with the heal to fix the damage he takes from being in the thick of things and mana to let him spam his stun. Anyone else been thinking along these lines? | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
On October 01 2014 06:29 DocSavage wrote: This brings up a interesting point, which maybe deserves a thread of its own. I've been thinking which heroes benefit from the new rune system particularly: so far my thoughts centre on heroes with high mobility so that they don't spend too much time collecting the rune, and who benefit from the mana and heal. My list so far is Abbadon, Slardar and Io; I haven't tried Abbadon yet and I'm not a good enough player to use Io effectively, but Slardar really does well with the heal to fix the damage he takes from being in the thick of things and mana to let him spam his stun. Anyone else been thinking along these lines? Don't overthink it. The change helps all supports. | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
Even though icefrog nerfed early game tower pushes, his skill spam will keep you alive for t2 pushes. Basicly, Bottle > Arcane > Mek > Aghs. I'm not saying thats optimal but it can work. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Abaddon is an easy win hero. You just need to spam your heals and your job is done. Shield is disgusting against lineups with little disables. He is such a high priority target, yet you can't kill him quickly enough. | ||
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
Is there a better way to play abaddon or better itemization that I could be utilizing? Any input would be appreciated. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On October 09 2014 11:35 beachbeachy wrote: I've been having a lot of success with abaddon offlane. I've won 13 out of 14 of my last games from 3500-4k with the following strategy. I buy 3 branches, a tango, and a clarity then buy bottle as soon as i get 700 gold. I try to get phase, bottle, full wand, and vlads by 15 minutes and then proceed to join up with the team and skirmish. With those items I have lots of sustain in team fights. Is there a better way to play abaddon or better itemization that I could be utilizing? Any input would be appreciated. Well firstly you can avoid going vlads first. Basically whatever you can achieve with vlads at that stage, you can achieve without. Build a more useful item. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 09 2014 11:35 beachbeachy wrote: I've been having a lot of success with abaddon offlane. I've won 13 out of 14 of my last games from 3500-4k with the following strategy. I buy 3 branches, a tango, and a clarity then buy bottle as soon as i get 700 gold. I try to get phase, bottle, full wand, and vlads by 15 minutes and then proceed to join up with the team and skirmish. With those items I have lots of sustain in team fights. Is there a better way to play abaddon or better itemization that I could be utilizing? Any input would be appreciated. Aba offlane is pretty legit. And the build is identical to the one I mostly used except I dont get bottle. I always felt sustainability was fine with just wand + vlad. That said after the rune change getting a bottle is so much more viable so I wouldnt call it a bad choice anyway. And dont autobuild vlads if theres no other cores benefiting from it. It doesnt have to be a bad choice but consider alternatives. Though if there are it should be your go to item. Afterwards you either build full aura/utility (halberd/shiva/ac/agh/sheep/necro) or you can go semi rightclick (halberd/ac/sny/basher/maelstrom), but dont go semi rightclick unless you're kinda snowballing from a good laning phase and early fights. And I guess games might look different at 3.5-4k, but not joining before 15min seems very late. You're battle ready if you hit lvl 6 and you dont need more than just phase + wand, you dont need to wait for vlad. Also consider getting an OoV. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
I also don't get the point of building right click on him even if snowballing other than for funsies. If you're stomping and swimmimg in gold build a necro + auras and end the game. | ||
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Meavis
Netherlands1300 Posts
so in short, how does abaddon? | ||
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
Don't play him as a traditional semi carry. If you snowball in team fights, then so be it, but I would suggest playing him as position 3 at most. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On October 17 2014 23:14 beachbeachy wrote: In order for abaddon to properly function, he needs a little bit of farm and levels to get going. I like playing him in the offlane or in duel lanes. If you can get a bottle, wand, and boots, you can start to make an impact. Unless you're picking up mek, I would go phase boots > vlads or necro. Don't play him as a traditional semi carry. If you snowball in team fights, then so be it, but I would suggest playing him as position 3 at most. So you're saying that position 4/5 support abaddon doesn't work? | ||
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
On October 17 2014 23:22 ahswtini wrote: So you're saying that position 4/5 support abaddon doesn't work? I'm saying don't play him as anything higher than 3, as in 1, or 2. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On October 17 2014 23:22 ahswtini wrote: So you're saying that position 4/5 support abaddon doesn't work? I read it as that he was similar to Rhasta in that you want to get your farm and levels asap. Which IMO is true. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
-I don't know why you would want to offlane Abaddon. His primary function is as a defensive lane support, and really his defining attribute in the laning phase is his low CD dispel so he's very effective vs. an aggro tri-lane. If you wanted an offlane core I can think of many better offlanes. | ||
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