It's definitely not reliable initiation, but it's really strong as a followup. Carapace + impale to follow up is a ~5 second aoe stun. Hitting a burrow impale from further away also sets up a reliable unburrow blink burrow carapace followup stun.

hariooo

Canada2830 Posts

January 12 2016 16:20 GMT

#82

Now that you've all had months to play with Nyx Aghs what's your thoughts?

I'm fairly confident at this point it's a core item if and only if you get to the point in the game where you can farm it (usually you still need blink). It's so incredibly strong the invisibility part doesn't even matter. If you don't have sustained DPS you cannot break through 1.5% hp regen so if their core isn't hitting you then you get to sit there and throw out retarded range impales and mana burns the entire fight with no recourse. It's one of the top gamechanging items for high ground situations. And yes Oct Core for the cd reduction is 100% the ideal luxury to pair with Aghs super late-game lol.

I don't know how you farm it as a 4 though, maybe if we end up seeing more Nyx offlane.

Mecha King Ghidorah

United States595 Posts

January 12 2016 21:47 GMT

#83

On January 13 2016 01:20 hariooo wrote:
Now that you've all had months to play with Nyx Aghs what's your thoughts?

I'm fairly confident at this point it's a core item if and only if you get to the point in the game where you can farm it (usually you still need blink). It's so incredibly strong the invisibility part doesn't even matter. If you don't have sustained DPS you cannot break through 1.5% hp regen so if their core isn't hitting you then you get to sit there and throw out retarded range impales and mana burns the entire fight with no recourse. It's one of the top gamechanging items for high ground situations. And yes Oct Core for the cd reduction is 100% the ideal luxury to pair with Aghs super late-game lol.

I don't know how you farm it as a 4 though, maybe if we end up seeing more Nyx offlane.

Usually yes though in some situations I found there wasn't enough teamfights to justify the aghs instead of an e-blade to snipe carries with a Dagon E-blade combo. Versuses tanky cores you cant snipe however aghs is definitely an amazing item.

hariooo

Canada2830 Posts

January 27 2016 09:34 GMT

#84

Nyx with Oct Core in MDL by OG. Just saying.

DucK-

Singapore11446 Posts

January 27 2016 10:20 GMT

#85

I'm still a dagon guy because I like to have strong solo kill potential in pubs

SatsuinoHado

Bulgaria777 Posts

January 27 2016 16:26 GMT

#86

5.5 sec cd fissure for 2.5 sec stun is no joke mix in and spiked carapice and its wtf moment

hariooo

Canada2830 Posts

January 27 2016 16:36 GMT

#87

On January 27 2016 19:20 DucK- wrote:
I'm still a dagon guy because I like to have strong solo kill potential in pubs

Me too if I still get to play Nyx mid.

Aghs Oct Core was a very foreseeable build though. That sort of sustained cc and dps at siege range is ridiculous. Still surprised it saw so much resistance here.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8908 Posts

January 27 2016 16:44 GMT

#88

I didn't watch the game, but this sounds legit. the agha upgrade on nyx was already absurdly good, and like hariooo said, it was the natural progression and inevitable I think.

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

January 29 2016 23:24 GMT

#89

regarding the farm issue: i've always considered nyx a strong candidate for midas since it can help supplement income and exp gain without forcing you to actually spend extra time hitting creeps

usually as the item after the first big item (blink/dagon/euls) but sometimes you can fit in in before

DucK-

Singapore11446 Posts

January 30 2016 07:32 GMT

#90

On January 30 2016 08:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
regarding the farm issue: i've always considered nyx a strong candidate for midas since it can help supplement income and exp gain without forcing you to actually spend extra time hitting creeps

usually as the item after the first big item (blink/dagon/euls) but sometimes you can fit in in before

I always liked midas after your first essential item like blink for heroes that do well with farm, but really need that blink to be online. Puck for example.

brinepumps

Indonesia753 Posts

January 24 2017 02:35 GMT

#91

So, what build order better on nyx as 4?
midas-dagon-aghs?

do you max dagon first or do you leave it as level 2 or 3 and go straight to aghs?
And what about his skill build? 4-1-1-1 at 7?

I've just found out this hero is amazingly fun to play. Counters OD and synergizes well with lifestealer

Belisarius

Australia6222 Posts

January 24 2017 04:00 GMT

#92

4pos nyx shouldn't be getting Midas unless you're completely stomping, and won't even be thinking about dagon, especially not after Midas when it's like 25 minutes in by that point.

He needs blink and probably aether and then you pray for aghs. More realistically you end up getting force and ghost/glimmer instead.

SKNielsen1989

174 Posts

January 24 2017 04:41 GMT

#93

Just played the first game ever where I went Dagon first on Nyx unironically + Show Spoiler +

PMS Wand Arcane Boots Dagon

DucK-

Singapore11446 Posts

January 24 2017 05:20 GMT

#94

Depends on what level you are playing. At the lower levels, Dagon gets more important. So many free kills available. At higher levels, Dagon first is generally bad and you should be prioritising blink/force.

For midas its the opposite. You don't need it at lower levels, but you should hope for it at higher levels.

When I go Dagon first, I tend to go force/blink next. Mobility is important because if they have their gems or sentries, you can't do anything even with Dagon 5.

For agh, again the higher level you play, the more important it is because solo kills don't come by as often anymore.

SKNielsen1989

174 Posts

January 24 2017 07:09 GMT

#95

If memory serves the game in question was around 5.6k avg which is why - as you write - Dagon allowed me to punish awful players with their awful team game plan and awful individual decision-making. That said the way the stars aligned the way my game played out I honestly think Dagon first made sense even against decent players but on the other hand had they been decent players the game would've played out in a different way with different circumstances any way in which case I doubt Dagon first would've been what I would've bought because against decent players I would've been significantly poorer.

Belisarius

Australia6222 Posts

January 24 2017 07:17 GMT

#96

Dagon seems fine if you can threaten to solokill cores with it that you can't without.
Midas seems fine if you can get it safely while still doing your job in the 10min or so where it puts you behind.

Neither of those are likely to be the case when you're playing 4pos nyx, compared to offlane/mid.

Neither seems particularly dependent on the level you're playing at, though. And let's be clear, unless things have changed dramatically, the highest level duck has experience with is 3k SEA pubs so anything about "higher levels" should be taken with several grains of salt.

brinepumps

Indonesia753 Posts

January 24 2017 09:01 GMT

#97

Thanks for all input!

I'm also SEA server so Duck-'s input will also be useful.
thanks guys!