[Hero] Nyx Assassin - Page 2

On January 24 2015 01:04 LennX wrote:
Just wondering, is mana burn cast time instant? I'm wondering about it since I can't dodge via blinking with a blink dagger when a nyx blinks in and manaburn me first.

On January 24 2015 01:13 YurnerotheJuggernaut wrote:

Nyx' cast point is 0.4. Blink is instant. You do the math

On January 24 2015 01:43 LennX wrote:
Math says I got slow fingers. Thanks! Where did you find that info on cast time anyway?

On January 24 2015 03:52 Skyro wrote:
Nyx's Mana Burn isn't a projectile though? Are you guys saying it is disjointable with Blink?

On May 01 2015 17:11 l3loodraven wrote:
please do not ever build bloodstone on this hero.

blink/forcestaff/euls, dagon, eth blade, and now aghs. two out of those three utility items should be enough, then you get the rest. sheep/orchid situationally if you are rich.

dagon rush is fine if you get a good start, but against smart opponents you will need dagger asap to get much done.

On May 04 2015 15:25 hariooo wrote:
oct core is pretty good as a luxury. the cd reduction is pretty sick and the regen is obviously great with the extra mana pool. 33% more spells is a big deal for all of his skills, barring ulti. 3 second mana burn and 10 second stuns that do around 2.5s each is a lot of control late game, plus it helps his blink euls fs cd as well.

honestly unless you're the blink sheep initiator, i like it over sheep by a lot.

On May 07 2015 03:50 Verrou wrote:


To be frank, except if you are 100% positive you can't kill the enemy carry with your team within the disable time that scythe+impale provide, i'd rather have a scythe.

Comparing octarine core vs scythe on nyx (assuming they are comparable, since scythe is a disable item and octarine is more a survivability lategame item for magic damage dealers):

Scythe of vyse gives you 10 strenght, 10 agility, 35 intelligence which convert to 190 life, ~1,4 armor, 455 mana pool.
It also gives 10 damage, 10 attack speed, 0.3 health regen, and 1.4 mana regen before the 150% mana regen bonus, which is all pretty negligible compared to the 3.5 disable it gives on a 35 cooldown (so it should always be up for fights) which mutes, slows and disarms the enemy.

Octarine core gives 25 intelligence, 450 health, 400 mana pool which added with the intel amounts to 735 mana in the end. 100% mana regen bonus, 1 mana regen.
Now, it has the added benefit of reducing all your cd's by 25%, and lifestealing from your spells for 25% from heroes and 5% for creeps, improving your survivability, which is pretty nice.

Both are very expensive items with expansive parts; Scythe of Vyse is a little cheaper but has two very expansive parts for a hero that can't farm really well, so as far as building them i'd say they're pretty equal. Their cost and the needed utility on Nyx makes them very late-game items, so we'll look at that first.

Stat-wise, Octarine core gives you the better lategame stats: health and mana pool. Mana regen can be nice in extended fights, but with 280 more mana pool I still think Octarine wins the stat comparison.However, Nyx isn't really a fighter lategame, and 200 life means pretty much half a second against any farmed carry.

As far as effect goes, let's suppose a perfect 5-man impale:
260*5 = 1300 : total damage before reduction
1300*0.75 = 975 : total damage after reduction
975*0.25= 243.75 ~244

So assuming perfect 5-man impales every 9.75 seconds you'd regen as much as if you had 25 health regen per second, which isn't really that impressive lategame, especially given Nyx's armor, and is pretty unlikely, since you have to get perfect 5-man impales.

Now, as Mana Burn goes: if you assume a very good scenario, for instance a level 25 OD with Scythe, Shiva's, Aghs, Octarine core ( Yes, you can lifesteal from arcane orb apparently, according to this reddit post, I don't know its worth so take it with a grain of salt though; fun fact, if it's true, then it lifesteals from vendetta too), Power Threads on Intel, and for some reason he went orchid instead of refresher. Since he has aghs, let's suppose him 5 active astral imprisonement buffs - for fun.

This dude has the monstrosity that is 35+30+10+25+9+25 (items in the give order) + 65 (five times astral) + 125(.2, but i don't really think that counts, from his base level 25 stats) intelligence, which is 324 intelligence (that alones gives him 12.96 mana regen, which is in itself pretty funny).

Now let's say you can focus all your mana burn perfectly on him and only on him during a fight: every three second, you'd deal 324*5=1620 damage before reduction, and 1215 damage after, every 3 second, which would regen 303(.75) health.
Which is about 100 health per second, which begins to be impressive except that even on alch we see that it's not enough.

As far as damage goes, reducing the cooldowns by 25% is an increase by 33% in the long run. However, even long fights usually don't last more than 30 seconds, so it's safe to say that most of the time it will only be relevant on mana burn, especially since mana burn takes away enemie's mana which makes them big creeps faster. However, the cd reduction isn't gonna be relevent on your other skills, except in some fringe cases.

As far as disable goes, i think that most of the time, lategame you'd rather have 6+ seconds of continuous disable (0.52 air time from impale, 2.77 stun, and 3.5 from scythe) than 3.29 disable on possibly multiple targets every 3.29, especially since we're talking about bkb territory, which makes scythe all the more important. Maybe with aghs, as it makes your impale cd become 6.75, which can become relevent?

All in all, the only case I would pick Octarine core on Nyx would be against a 3+ intel lineup and after an aghs for more disable. Even then, i'm not sure i wouldn't rather build Ethereal+Dagon before just to kill them faster, or scythe of vyse to prevent them from casting alltogether.


Final point being: yes, Octarine has its uses on Nyx, like Butterfly has its uses on Nyx, but these items don't fit his roles or his team's needs as much as the others.