• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:08
CEST 22:08
KST 05:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High8Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes186BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion StarCraft Stellar Forces had bad maps
Tourneys
SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN [ASL20] Ro16 Group D BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Dark Side of South Kore…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2273 users

zai Discussion

Forum Index > Dota 2 Player & Team Discussion
Post a Reply
Normal
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
December 02 2014 02:04 GMT
#1
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]


Support (4) of [image loading] Evil Geniuses



[image loading]

[image loading] The International 2014 - Third Place [image loading]
[image loading] Electronic Sports Prime Shock Therapy Cup
[image loading] Monster Energy Invitational
[image loading] MLG T.K.O. America
[image loading] joinDota League Season 1 America
[image loading] WEC 2014
[image loading] The Summit
[image loading] Star Ladder Season 10
[image loading]
ASUS ROG DreamLeague Season 2
LiquidDota Staff
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
December 02 2014 02:04 GMT
#2
Reserved
LiquidDota Staff
braincandy
Profile Joined February 2013
Philippines179 Posts
December 02 2014 02:49 GMT
#3
the future
RiceSeoul
Profile Joined July 2014
United States3 Posts
December 02 2014 04:51 GMT
#4
Do you find yourself leaning towards Smile or Peco personality wise?
"Expect the unexpected"
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 02 2014 05:06 GMT
#5
he good at dota
Liquipedia
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 02 2014 05:07 GMT
#6
On December 02 2014 14:06 Elyvilon wrote:
he good at dota

this man knows how to post
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
widdox
Profile Joined August 2011
166 Posts
December 02 2014 05:09 GMT
#7
Well deserved of his own thread! Thanks for making it.
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
December 02 2014 05:12 GMT
#8
z-god
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 02 2014 05:24 GMT
#9
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 05:59:45
December 02 2014 05:59 GMT
#10
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?


EG is smth where all pieces fit together. It might fall apart if you remove anything from it. Although Mason replacing Fear didn't have much impact to make it better or worse.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
December 02 2014 06:58 GMT
#11
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?

I absolutely think that zai adds value to the team. Sure he gets A LOT of space from the others on the team, but have you ever seen his farming speed? It's insane! And by giving a 4th more space to farm they can reach a strong mid-game earlier which wins games.
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
Harpoon
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines93 Posts
December 02 2014 08:30 GMT
#12
Bernardo Reyes, along with his friend Juan Fernandez, are the biggest, baddest trolls in EG. It's quite unfortunate that they have the skills to back it all up.
War is not about who is right, it is about who is left.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
December 02 2014 08:49 GMT
#13
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?


Beyond ppd and rtz, I think anyone on EG is very replaceable. That being said, they're all world class.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 09:51:11
December 02 2014 09:48 GMT
#14
i also use guildwars skills as steam avatar do you want to be friends


e: deleted other part, this is phrased wrong and im not sure how i can phrase it so ppl could understand it :/
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Blackspikes
Profile Joined August 2014
United States51 Posts
December 02 2014 14:25 GMT
#15
You can't replace ppd's drafting, and rtz has a pretty unique style, and while everyone else is not extremely "unique", they are all super consistent and I don't think you could find a better replacement.
Be sure the light at the end of the tunnel is not an oncoming train
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 15:22:33
December 02 2014 15:22 GMT
#16
spooky banner

just saying it looks a little odd.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
December 02 2014 21:33 GMT
#17
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?

Well Ice3 and Black said he and fy were the best supports in the world, so I guess that's something.
Also s4 said he was the best swedish player and ppd that when he needed to win games he would just give zai a play making hero and let him do his thing

And he can actually play everything (according to ppd) which is one of the reason the team is so successful and easy to draft for.

"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
December 02 2014 23:04 GMT
#18
On December 02 2014 17:49 Demand2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?


Beyond ppd and rtz, I think anyone on EG is very replaceable. That being said, they're all world class.


lolwat. Universe and Zai are arguably the best 3/4 in the world. Most in China even admit that Universe is the best 3 in the world right now. The only "better" 4 is probably fy and even then, zai has done quite well in h2h matchups
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
December 03 2014 01:05 GMT
#19
Not often you see a #4 get more farm than the opponent's #1 or #2, and zai can do that consistently while making great plays.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 03:03:07
December 03 2014 02:49 GMT
#20
On December 03 2014 00:22 rabidch wrote:
spooky banner

just saying it looks a little odd.


Little rough around the edges, taught myself how to make the banners, there's probably an easier way lol. I'll fix it when I have some free time.
LiquidDota Staff
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 03 2014 04:52 GMT
#21
That's why I asked the question and didn't make the statement :D

Anyway iceiceice always best #3 in the world except on fv and bat.
Tricks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States252 Posts
December 03 2014 07:49 GMT
#22
This man can strive any role he plays. One of my favorite players of all time
Favorite Players: Zai, Arteezy and LaNm
Kairo
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden184 Posts
December 04 2014 19:52 GMT
#23
Very impressive player. I´ve heard some talk about respect Enigma bans being common, but have not seen many enigma bans among the first three bans when watching them play. Are they common and i just missed them happening, or is it somewhat exaggerated?
Only the insane have strength enough to prosper. Only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane. Off she rode with a trumpety trump; trump trump trump.<- Sig since before the Don.
Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 20:20:16
December 04 2014 20:20 GMT
#24
On December 05 2014 04:52 Kairo wrote:
Very impressive player. I´ve heard some talk about respect Enigma bans being common, but have not seen many enigma bans among the first three bans when watching them play. Are they common and i just missed them happening, or is it somewhat exaggerated?


I remember this for a time, but the thing about Zai is that you can't "respect ban" his heroes because he has one of the deepest hero pools in competitive Dota 2. Seems like the guy can play anything, on any role, and carry the game.

Also seeing his Witch Doctor solo carrys is hilarious.
FoxFirkin
Profile Joined December 2019
1 Post
December 12 2019 08:57 GMT
#25
I wish I had known of this thread all the way back when optic had zai still.
I said at the time that ppd was making such a big mistake because I knew zai was capable of so much more than they had him doing in his role.
I'm glad our boy is doing so well.
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
December 13 2019 15:43 GMT
#26
who plays a better necro? you or zai?
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
08:00
Day 2 - Play Off & Finals Stage
ZZZero.O186
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 443
IndyStarCraft 180
JuggernautJason167
CosmosSc2 128
Railgan 23
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 186
Dewaltoss 108
Mong 72
Dota 2
monkeys_forever343
Pyrionflax244
NeuroSwarm81
League of Legends
JimRising 22
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K771
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor241
Other Games
FrodaN5577
tarik_tv5483
summit1g5318
Grubby2235
B2W.Neo758
fl0m682
ToD230
KnowMe76
Mew2King62
QueenE56
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1309
gamesdonequick739
StarCraft 2
angryscii 41
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21761
League of Legends
• Doublelift2355
Other Games
• imaqtpie937
• Shiphtur277
• WagamamaTV250
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
13h 52m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
14h 52m
Monday Night Weeklies
19h 52m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 13h
Snow vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-18
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.