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OuchyDathurts
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
December 02 2014 02:04 GMT
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Reserved
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Profile Joined February 2013
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December 02 2014 02:49 GMT
#3
the future
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Profile Joined July 2014
United States3 Posts
December 02 2014 04:51 GMT
#4
Do you find yourself leaning towards Smile or Peco personality wise?
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Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 02 2014 05:06 GMT
#5
he good at dota
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
December 02 2014 05:07 GMT
#6
On December 02 2014 14:06 Elyvilon wrote:
he good at dota

this man knows how to post
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widdox
Profile Joined August 2011
166 Posts
December 02 2014 05:09 GMT
#7
Well deserved of his own thread! Thanks for making it.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
December 02 2014 05:12 GMT
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
December 02 2014 05:24 GMT
#9
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 05:59:45
December 02 2014 05:59 GMT
#10
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?


EG is smth where all pieces fit together. It might fall apart if you remove anything from it. Although Mason replacing Fear didn't have much impact to make it better or worse.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
December 02 2014 06:58 GMT
#11
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?

I absolutely think that zai adds value to the team. Sure he gets A LOT of space from the others on the team, but have you ever seen his farming speed? It's insane! And by giving a 4th more space to farm they can reach a strong mid-game earlier which wins games.
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Harpoon
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines93 Posts
December 02 2014 08:30 GMT
#12
Bernardo Reyes, along with his friend Juan Fernandez, are the biggest, baddest trolls in EG. It's quite unfortunate that they have the skills to back it all up.
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Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
December 02 2014 08:49 GMT
#13
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?


Beyond ppd and rtz, I think anyone on EG is very replaceable. That being said, they're all world class.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 09:51:11
December 02 2014 09:48 GMT
#14
i also use guildwars skills as steam avatar do you want to be friends


e: deleted other part, this is phrased wrong and im not sure how i can phrase it so ppl could understand it :/
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Blackspikes
Profile Joined August 2014
United States51 Posts
December 02 2014 14:25 GMT
#15
You can't replace ppd's drafting, and rtz has a pretty unique style, and while everyone else is not extremely "unique", they are all super consistent and I don't think you could find a better replacement.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 15:22:33
December 02 2014 15:22 GMT
#16
spooky banner

just saying it looks a little odd.
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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
December 02 2014 21:33 GMT
#17
On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?

Well Ice3 and Black said he and fy were the best supports in the world, so I guess that's something.
Also s4 said he was the best swedish player and ppd that when he needed to win games he would just give zai a play making hero and let him do his thing

And he can actually play everything (according to ppd) which is one of the reason the team is so successful and easy to draft for.

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bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
December 02 2014 23:04 GMT
#18
On December 02 2014 17:49 Demand2k wrote:
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On December 02 2014 14:24 DucK- wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how important zai is to eg. Could any #4 perform equivalently given the space he has? Eg is built around rtz. PPD is the mastermind, while fear's hero pool allows him to play whatever the draft demands. Universe has made plays time and time again from the offlane. But zai? Does he really value add the team?


Beyond ppd and rtz, I think anyone on EG is very replaceable. That being said, they're all world class.


lolwat. Universe and Zai are arguably the best 3/4 in the world. Most in China even admit that Universe is the best 3 in the world right now. The only "better" 4 is probably fy and even then, zai has done quite well in h2h matchups
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
December 03 2014 01:05 GMT
#19
Not often you see a #4 get more farm than the opponent's #1 or #2, and zai can do that consistently while making great plays.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 03:03:07
December 03 2014 02:49 GMT
#20
On December 03 2014 00:22 rabidch wrote:
spooky banner

just saying it looks a little odd.


Little rough around the edges, taught myself how to make the banners, there's probably an easier way lol. I'll fix it when I have some free time.
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