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On August 20 2015 19:00 Papercappu wrote:
pretty sure he's not insterested playing seriously anymore.both BU & TT were formed just so they can attend tournaments for fun
Yes, BU was totally not formed for a shot at ti qualifiers, but only for attending tournaments for shits and giggles....... Pretty sure TT was meant to be something that lasted as well, which it did to be fair until they went to the US.
Outside of that I can't think of any reason why a player of sing's skill level, meaning one that's able to play 'pro', would not be interested in doing so.
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PiS is also a good strimer and didn't find too much success in going pro but really successful at strim.
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Looks like Monkey Freedom Fighters is a thing now with Mad, Arise, Sing, and 2 others I forgot.
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On August 20 2015 19:31 Matthias_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 19:00 Papercappu wrote:
pretty sure he's not insterested playing seriously anymore.both BU & TT were formed just so they can attend tournaments for fun Yes, BU was totally not formed for a shot at ti qualifiers, but only for attending tournaments for shits and giggles....... Pretty sure TT was meant to be something that lasted as well, which it did to be fair until they went to the US. Outside of that I can't think of any reason why a player of sing's skill level, meaning one that's able to play 'pro', would not be interested in doing so.
BU was formed so the guys can attend ESL Frankfurt.the whole thing happened on his stream.he even promise free tickets to his friends if he qualify.they ended doing well at other tournaments & getting shot at TI qualifiers.TT was formed for fun as well at first.
sing doesnt need to play seriously because he earn more money from streaming.cant say the same about his teammates though.which is why TT ended up being serious
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On August 23 2015 06:30 Papercappu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 19:31 Matthias_ wrote:On August 20 2015 19:00 Papercappu wrote:
pretty sure he's not insterested playing seriously anymore.both BU & TT were formed just so they can attend tournaments for fun Yes, BU was totally not formed for a shot at ti qualifiers, but only for attending tournaments for shits and giggles....... Pretty sure TT was meant to be something that lasted as well, which it did to be fair until they went to the US. Outside of that I can't think of any reason why a player of sing's skill level, meaning one that's able to play 'pro', would not be interested in doing so. BU was formed so the guys can attend ESL Frankfurt.the whole thing happened on his stream.he even promise free tickets to his friends if he qualify.they ended doing well at other tournaments & getting shot at TI qualifiers.TT was formed for fun as well at first. sing doesnt need to play seriously because he earn more money from streaming.cant say the same about his teammates though.which is why TT ended up being serious
I think you're either phrasing it wrong or I'm completely oblivious to the fact people create teams to attend tournaments for 'fun'. I think you attend tournaments to win and that can be fun, but I don't think you solely create a team to do shit qualifiers and 250 euro tournaments 'for fun'.
I remember an interview at Ti4 with Sing (I believe it was with cyborgmatt) where he said his goal was to be the best. I find it hard to believe someone who said roughly a year ago that he wants to be the best at what he does to change his opinion to just playing for fun and just stream. I find it hard to believe he's disinterested, I believe it's more a matter of not finding the right team to help him be interested or even really try their best with.
+ Show Spoiler +edit: the interview I meant
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his views of himself could have changed over the course of the year after the c9 stint.
of course, there's the distinct difference between being not interested, and only being interested when the stars align or something lands at your door-step; that difference is slight in my opinion.
it's obvious he's taking his mentality to the next level when ranked pubbing these days or is changing things up.
he talks about his choices, predictions, etcetera in more serious tones.
his item progression, farming, and mechanics are behind some of the t1/t2 players and it hasn't really improved so far.
i'll give an example, he rarely bottle crows, stack for himself, or purchase items&ship them immediately when he has the opportunities and it makes a big difference in some of the games he's playing.
there's some really fundamental stuff that your average joe will do to optimize that sing doesn't try or adapt to his play.
he's just playing pubs the way he can and it's chill and awesome for a stream--not for improving his heroes or his basics, unfortunately.
I actually find it hard to believe that he's still trying to be the very best, especially if the reasoning is that he's looking for the right teammates to start shifting gears. because in my opinion, that's something you take the initiative to seek out yourself as if every moment is getting wasted doing otherwise.
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On August 23 2015 08:24 nanaoei wrote:
his views of himself could have changed over the course of the year after the c9 stint.
of course, there's the distinct difference between being not interested, and only being interested when the stars align or something lands at your door-step; that difference is slight in my opinion.
it's obvious he's taking his mentality to the next level when ranked pubbing these days or is changing things up.
he talks about his choices, predictions, etcetera in more serious tones.
his item progression, farming, and mechanics are behind some of the t1/t2 players and it hasn't really improved so far.
i'll give an example, he rarely bottle crows, stack for himself, or purchase items&ship them immediately when he has the opportunities and it makes a big difference in some of the games he's playing.
there's some really fundamental stuff that your average joe will do to optimize that sing doesn't try or adapt to his play.
he's just playing pubs the way he can and it's chill and awesome for a stream--not for improving his heroes or his basics, unfortunately.
I actually find it hard to believe that he's still trying to be the very best, especially if the reasoning is that he's looking for the right teammates to start shifting gears. because in my opinion, that's something you take the initiative to seek out yourself as if every moment is getting wasted doing otherwise.
I think it is perfectly fine that he treats pubs the way it is, that he doesn't go try hard even in solo ranked.
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On August 23 2015 08:24 nanaoei wrote:
his views of himself could have changed over the course of the year after the c9 stint.
of course, there's the distinct difference between being not interested, and only being interested when the stars align or something lands at your door-step; that difference is slight in my opinion.
I actually find it hard to believe that he's still trying to be the very best, especially if the reasoning is that he's looking for the right teammates to start shifting gears. because in my opinion, that's something you take the initiative to seek out yourself as if every moment is getting wasted doing otherwise.
Of course views of yourself and your goals can change over the year(s) especially if you go from a team like C9 to TT and BU. However, again, I find it unlikely that someone's perspective changes so radically, going from aiming for #1 to being a streamer (however not just a streamer, but you get the point) just doesn't seem like something someone would do.
And I'm not saying he's looking for the right team to start trying to be the best. What I tried to convey is that I think Sing needs a specific set of teammates (or perhaps just a team captain) that motivate and enhance him (yes he's a cyborg now). Basically what I think is that he's got 'locked' potential and with the right team members, eg. not stream friends like ar1se, that can be unlocked.
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unlocked like dende and gohan?
old but not obsolete? (singinator)
fair enough, I understand he has good work ethic and he must have something to have gotten this far.
I only hope he works on some small things that seem a lot like habits to me. I'm just being hard on him for clicking hotkeys and stuff, and as a fan I'd wanna see him do amazingly well.
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On August 23 2015 14:02 nanaoei wrote:
unlocked like dende and gohan?
old but not obsolete? (singinator)
fair enough, I understand he has good work ethic and he must have something to have gotten this far.
I only hope he works on some small things that seem a lot like habits to me. I'm just being hard on him for clicking hotkeys and stuff, and as a fan I'd wanna see him do amazingly well.
Haha yeah I knew it sounded ridiculous and you're right, he needs to work on himself too. We'll see where he gets this year, I'm hoping MFF is just a major team and not something lasting cause I don't see it getting anywhere.
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On August 23 2015 06:30 Papercappu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 19:31 Matthias_ wrote:On August 20 2015 19:00 Papercappu wrote:
pretty sure he's not insterested playing seriously anymore.both BU & TT were formed just so they can attend tournaments for fun Yes, BU was totally not formed for a shot at ti qualifiers, but only for attending tournaments for shits and giggles....... Pretty sure TT was meant to be something that lasted as well, which it did to be fair until they went to the US. Outside of that I can't think of any reason why a player of sing's skill level, meaning one that's able to play 'pro', would not be interested in doing so. BU was formed so the guys can attend ESL Frankfurt.the whole thing happened on his stream.he even promise free tickets to his friends if he qualify.they ended doing well at other tournaments & getting shot at TI qualifiers.TT was formed for fun as well at first. sing doesnt need to play seriously because he earn more money from streaming.cant say the same about his teammates though.which is why TT ended up being serious
No one is making enough money from streams.... its not why you play pro data , TI/Majors is why you play pro dota these days.
He might make small change to keep him afloat in the western world , but you aren't wasting your prime years playing video games just for that , they all aim for the big bucks and an easy start into the real world.
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On August 23 2015 19:29 bluzi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2015 06:30 Papercappu wrote:On August 20 2015 19:31 Matthias_ wrote:On August 20 2015 19:00 Papercappu wrote:
pretty sure he's not insterested playing seriously anymore.both BU & TT were formed just so they can attend tournaments for fun Yes, BU was totally not formed for a shot at ti qualifiers, but only for attending tournaments for shits and giggles....... Pretty sure TT was meant to be something that lasted as well, which it did to be fair until they went to the US. Outside of that I can't think of any reason why a player of sing's skill level, meaning one that's able to play 'pro', would not be interested in doing so. BU was formed so the guys can attend ESL Frankfurt.the whole thing happened on his stream.he even promise free tickets to his friends if he qualify.they ended doing well at other tournaments & getting shot at TI qualifiers.TT was formed for fun as well at first. sing doesnt need to play seriously because he earn more money from streaming.cant say the same about his teammates though.which is why TT ended up being serious No one is making enough money from streams.... its not why you play pro data , TI/Majors is why you play pro dota these days. He might make small change to keep him afloat in the western world , but you aren't wasting your prime years playing video games just for that , they all aim for the big bucks and an easy start into the real world.
idk what you're on to here.sing is obviously making good money from streaming.even someone with lower views can make a career from streaming.why not him? hell he's not even that active on streaming, yet he still can spend money on stupid stuff
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Imo the problem with Sing is that he needs to play from ahead with a lot of farm. It's just that players like that are a dime a dozen atm and most of them are better. He can't make comebacks like Sumail, he can't make space like s4, he can't dominate his lane like rtz (not a mid anymore but you get the idea), and he isn't consistent like fata/super. If he wants to get on a T1 team he should try changing roles
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On August 24 2015 01:15 DavoS wrote:
Imo the problem with Sing is that he needs to play from ahead with a lot of farm. It's just that players like that are a dime a dozen atm and most of them are better. He can't make comebacks like Sumail, he can't make space like s4, he can't dominate his lane like rtz (not a mid anymore but you get the idea), and he isn't consistent like fata/super. If he wants to get on a T1 team he should try changing roles
He hasn't been on a serious squad since TI4 so I don't know what you are basing this on.
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Neither he has been playing mid since TI4, ROFL.
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What do you think is the reason why singsing keeps having a tier 2 team like burden united and now the team with ar1se? I really believe he deserves to be in a top team considering he did pretty well during his stint in Cloud9 finishing 5th/6th place at TI4.
He's not very charismatic so he doesn't attract players to play w/ him. Poor reputation within the pros. His skill is similar to players like dendi n g but you need a strong captain to make him work
That's what envy had to say about the issue.
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SINGSING IS BACK BABY!
Going to WCA, and a shot at taking the 27k main qualifier 1st spot tomorrow!
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What is really sad is that they just needed a good captain, as shown by the Pieliedie standin and their results with him. This iteration of Kaipi could have been T1 material with a good leadership.
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EPT
