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bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 19:38:18
January 27 2015 17:18 GMT
#1061
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
January 27 2015 18:41 GMT
#1062
Not for long we're gonna take away that crown boys.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 27 2015 20:21 GMT
#1063
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 20:27:20
January 27 2015 20:26 GMT
#1064
TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it

No. They don't. They just have fans because people like players on the team (mostly Sing).

I cannot understand the point of this crusade. People know Tinker is bad, they just pull for them.

It's sports. Jesus fucking christ.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
January 27 2015 20:41 GMT
#1065
how dare i root for Bulba clearly thats.. Doing damage somehow?

don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
January 27 2015 21:01 GMT
#1066
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 27 2015 21:20 GMT
#1067
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 22:03:51
January 27 2015 21:25 GMT
#1068
On January 28 2015 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.


Go look at the Alliance/Na'Vi fan threads. They are not optimistic in the least bit. (The [A] thread is sad about bulldog, sad about mynuts, annoyed about EGM, and mixed about Loda; the Na'Vi thread is literally going from bashing Xboct, to free dendi, to Goblak sucks, to ZG sucks, etc etc.) Neither have done particularly well either (the difference between these 3 teams in marginal at the moment)

Seriously. Just browse them. [A] and Na'Vi just haven't had major matches yet, but anytime there are (DAC quals) their threads perk up too
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
January 27 2015 22:03 GMT
#1069
On January 28 2015 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.

why do you care?
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 27 2015 22:27 GMT
#1070
On January 28 2015 07:03 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.

why do you care?

He seems to think it's bad for the sport but he's wrong. The development of fan loyalty is nothing but good. Competitors will rise and fall through their careers and this is already difficult for them in a scene which has a lot of stability issues. But if those same competitors have fans who only base their fandom on current performance, it compounds that difficulty exponentially. There will always be people ready to support a team based on current performance; that is just sports. But fans who are willing to support a team through hard times are incredibly valuable.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
January 28 2015 00:08 GMT
#1071
ok but being a fan isn't a zero sum game anyways
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
January 28 2015 01:57 GMT
#1072
On January 28 2015 07:03 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.

why do you care?

Part of it's hype aversion, part of it's schadenfreude (I'll admit to some joy in seeing them lose to AlbumSheet after being "told" how much more organized and focused they were), and a lot of it's idle time and a slow moving forum.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 28 2015 02:02 GMT
#1073
On January 28 2015 10:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 07:03 Shaella wrote:
On January 28 2015 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.

why do you care?

Part of it's hype aversion, part of it's schadenfreude (I'll admit to some joy in seeing them lose to AlbumSheet after being "told" how much more organized and focused they were), and a lot of it's idle time and a slow moving forum.

Yes but you haven't explained why you have schadenfreude towards Tinker fans anyway. Nor is there any clear purpose to you raining on people's parades if they get a little excited for their team. This isn't the "sober Dota2 projections thread," it's the Team Tinker thread, a place where mainly people who have a positive interest in the team will come to discuss it.

Furthermore, none of the things that were said about their games when they did well were false. They were better coordinated and used the map better than they had in months. Their drafts made better sense. They looked like an organized team. None of that has been proven untrue simply because they lost to AS.

It's just lame, dude. I feel sorry for you that you feel the need for this hobby.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
January 28 2015 10:35 GMT
#1074
On January 28 2015 11:02 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 10:57 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 07:03 Shaella wrote:
On January 28 2015 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 06:01 bagels21 wrote:
On January 28 2015 05:21 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
[quote]
Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow

I actually support NoT and MVP.P, want to see them go far in a tournament. I just don't expect them to do well, but I'm happy any time that they do.

TT just has a lot of undue hype behind it, probably because of SingSing's popularity, probably because of residual Liquid fandom for Qojqva and Bulba (and Liquid fans were just as hyperbolic). There's plenty of teams with far better results than TT who get less than half the praise.


Teams with better results in the west are either the top 3 (Secret, C9, EG) or Russian. You're on an English speaking site so of course there's going to be more fans of a non-Russian team (Na'Vi is the exception not the norm). The top 3 all have arguably more fans lol; really there aren't that many teams that have "far better" results unless you include China.

The only other western teams that have a similar fanbase have won TI lol. The hype might have been undue, but there was a strong sentiment was that they could be a tier 1 because all the players were about tier 1.5 level (power of friendship etc. etc.) and newly mixed stacks tend to improve for at least a few months.

That's the thing. You'd think teams like Alliance or Na'vi would have reactions like the ones here, and both have been doing better than TT, and should (and do) already have rabid fanbases. And they can do things like qualify for DAC, reach finals (of smaller tournaments), etc. and they'll get less reactions than TT does with singular matches against average teams.

Though I guess that's a difference in expectations.

why do you care?

Part of it's hype aversion, part of it's schadenfreude (I'll admit to some joy in seeing them lose to AlbumSheet after being "told" how much more organized and focused they were), and a lot of it's idle time and a slow moving forum.

Yes but you haven't explained why you have schadenfreude towards Tinker fans anyway. Nor is there any clear purpose to you raining on people's parades if they get a little excited for their team. This isn't the "sober Dota2 projections thread," it's the Team Tinker thread, a place where mainly people who have a positive interest in the team will come to discuss it.

Furthermore, none of the things that were said about their games when they did well were false. They were better coordinated and used the map better than they had in months. Their drafts made better sense. They looked like an organized team. None of that has been proven untrue simply because they lost to AS.

It's just lame, dude. I feel sorry for you that you feel the need for this hobby.


Lol why do you engage him? He's just someone with no life, and you can't win vs no life.
drusalnik
Profile Joined July 2014
Bulgaria133 Posts
January 28 2015 10:48 GMT
#1075
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow


You support a bad team because they have other values then their skill regardless if its e-sport or any other type of sport.
TT has neither skill nor values worth supporting.
Hoenicker
Profile Joined February 2012
243 Posts
January 28 2015 11:35 GMT
#1076
On January 28 2015 19:48 drusalnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow


You support a bad team because they have other values then their skill regardless if its e-sport or any other type of sport.
TT has neither skill nor values worth supporting.


Yes, like the Bulgarian football team. No skill, no values, so why are there still Bulgarian football supporters?

TL;DR dont feed this troll.
cuckoo
Profile Joined October 2014
595 Posts
January 28 2015 11:37 GMT
#1077
On January 28 2015 19:48 drusalnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow


You support a bad team because they have other values then their skill regardless if its e-sport or any other type of sport.
TT has neither skill nor values worth supporting.


for you

imagine if people have different opinions

just... imagine. just imagine.
drusalnik
Profile Joined July 2014
Bulgaria133 Posts
January 28 2015 11:43 GMT
#1078
On January 28 2015 20:35 Hoenicker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 19:48 drusalnik wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow


You support a bad team because they have other values then their skill regardless if its e-sport or any other type of sport.
TT has neither skill nor values worth supporting.


Yes, like the Bulgarian football team. No skill, no values, so why are there still Bulgarian football supporters?

TL;DR dont feed this troll.


Not even sure why you keep mentioning Bulgarian football like i'll get offended or something i mean seriously are you that naive that you think i will support Bulgarian football in its current state, kid these days..

I dare you to show me some values that TT has outside of the gloryfied hype around Qoiqva and Singx2.
2stra
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands928 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 12:09:53
January 28 2015 12:07 GMT
#1079
Values worth supporting? what does that even mean? never understood the need to bother others with the fact that you don't like something, especially something as fickle as (dis)liking a team.

anyway, game vs VP today
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
January 28 2015 13:00 GMT
#1080
On January 28 2015 20:43 drusalnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 20:35 Hoenicker wrote:
On January 28 2015 19:48 drusalnik wrote:
On January 28 2015 02:18 bagels21 wrote:
On January 26 2015 23:09 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 12:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 26 2015 11:39 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On January 26 2015 07:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Lol, this thread, honeymoon period didn't even last a full week this time. Thread needs a depression trigger mod note.

Man you really hate on us don't you?

Hates a bit strong of a word, but I will admit to some schadenfreude.

Don't even hate Tinker as a team, even if I don't think they'll ever be a top team (and I certainly expected better than they've actually performed). The fans, on the other hand, they're the ones that make it amusing.


Well we might never be the best Team but we will have the most pages on LD for a team/fan WHOS WITH ME!!!!! :p


Unfortunately EE-sama has claim to that crown

Ontopic, the people are claiming that tinker is hopeless have clearly never supported a bad team in their life. It is part of being a fan to stick with players/teams through thick and thin. It makes their successes feel much more worthwhile anyhow


You support a bad team because they have other values then their skill regardless if its e-sport or any other type of sport.
TT has neither skill nor values worth supporting.


Yes, like the Bulgarian football team. No skill, no values, so why are there still Bulgarian football supporters?

TL;DR dont feed this troll.


Not even sure why you keep mentioning Bulgarian football like i'll get offended or something i mean seriously are you that naive that you think i will support Bulgarian football in its current state, kid these days..

I dare you to show me some values that TT has outside of the gloryfied hype around Qoiqva and Singx2.


This nerd. Guys he dares you. Dares you.
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