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fixed_point
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany4891 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 17:10:39
July 23 2014 17:05 GMT
#1361
On July 24 2014 01:56 nikuniku wrote:
Remember the leaked DK strategy video by Gamefy? It is here now

http://www.acfun.tv/v/ac1290929

Unfortunately, only in Chinese.

Holy...that was super informative.

EDIT: I'll do a translation tomorrow if there isn't one by then.
Monv18hao
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada627 Posts
July 23 2014 17:40 GMT
#1362
Wow it is so hard to hear
“拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 23 2014 17:53 GMT
#1363
On July 23 2014 23:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 20:54 DucK- wrote:
Replacing lanm with chuan is good, though 3 sea players in a Chinese team is going to lead to more xenophobic remarks.

perhaps not the place for this but i've heard mushi and chuan rather dislike each other. not all dislikes are due to xenophobia or otherwise.


Chuan doesn't seem like a very likable person regardless; would hate to see him on DK.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 23 2014 18:00 GMT
#1364
On July 24 2014 02:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 23:28 opterown wrote:
On July 23 2014 20:54 DucK- wrote:
Replacing lanm with chuan is good, though 3 sea players in a Chinese team is going to lead to more xenophobic remarks.

perhaps not the place for this but i've heard mushi and chuan rather dislike each other. not all dislikes are due to xenophobia or otherwise.


Chuan doesn't seem like a very likable person regardless; would hate to see him on DK.

I think people tend to overblow his negative qualities. That said, I have never really watched that many iG games, and so I don't quite know how good he is. In all the recent games I've seen him in, he's been kinda mediocre (but someone should feel free to change my opinion).

Tried to watch the vid in a crowded cafe, and it just did not work. >.<
Monv18hao
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada627 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 05:45:12
July 23 2014 18:24 GMT
#1365
I'm sure someone will be able to make a youtube version with subtitles and all after, but for now here's a text translation:

Lanm: Burning, what do you think about Brewmaster going up against Razor in mid?
Burning: Definitely will lose/be pressured [in the lane]
Lanm: That's for sure, but you can still soak up experience right?
Burning: Yeah....what do you want to ban? I suggest banning out Razor.
Lanm: I want to ban tinker, because our lineup is too scared of tinker. EG has first pick, then I pick 2 in a row, I might pick Shadow Shaman and Brewmaster, then EG can immediately pick Tinker afterwards. If they pick Tinker then our original lineup would be destroyed.
Burning: Then pick.....razor is hard to deal with, and your letting him go to mid [where he can get fat]
Lanm: To us, razor just makes our lanes weaker
Burning: Not just one lane, Razor is a hero who protects their team's formations, you know this! Have you seen why their supports are always good at team fights? It's because Razor goes tanky items and tanks in front.
Lanm: So I pick AA, Shadow Shaman, and Brewmaster so Razor can't tank in front.
Burning: Their Razor doesn't go mek. Have you seen his items? There were many games where Razor went heart and AC.
Lanm: I know he normally doesn't go mek, usually enigma gets mek afterwards. If we suppress/give a hard time to their supports, and their offlaner, they'll definitely go mek on this mid Razor.
Lanm: Actually the key here is the mid lane, I'm also worried about the problem in mid lane. I've given it a lot of thought, there are few heroes who can win against Razor. If they solo mid and we solo mid [to get maximum gold+exp], then mid has a hard time.
Burning: Have you looked at their picks and records on tinker?
Lanm: There were...two games! They pick only pick like this - Faceless void+Tinker - they pick like that.
Mushi: I think they will pick Razor
Lanm: Yeah, if there's Razor available they will definitely pick Razor. That's why I want this whole lineup to follow my pace, but the only problem lies in mid.
Mushi: If they pick Faceless Void, will we still be able to pick Nature's Prophet and Shadow Shaman?
Lanm: We'll ban nature's prophet in the last 3 bans, we won't ban it for now.
Burning: Shadow Shaman can go force staff
Lanm: Our other support I might have to go for Nyx Assassin, probably will be Nyx+Shaman.
Mushi: Will nyx be afk/standing still?
Lanm: Yes it is. In truth it's the same as Shadow Shaman+AA, it's directed against mid. Actually if Brew goes against Tinker, can Brew go 50/50?
Burning: Brew will be a little suppressed.
Mushi: Let me think about the general idea....
Lanm: Anyways I only ask that their offlaner can't rely on supports to his levels.
Mushi: Actually I'm not horribly bad, the main thing is I'm mid...
Lanm: You mid or him mid, both of your heroes haven't been decided. If we get our hands on Brew then this is what'll happen, or perhaps OD.

Taken from text version on sgamer.
Note: Apparently this is a cut version of the video that's only 3 minutes long. According to others, the original was 10 minutes long. Either way, this is the only vid going around right now.
“拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 18:34:39
July 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#1366
On July 24 2014 03:24 Monv18hao wrote:
Mushi: Is Nyx for 挂机[someone help, I'm assuming it means roaming]?


挂机 means the opposite actually. Means afk/standing still/don't-do-anything. One of the more common phrases used in conjunction is "挂机吃经验" which means you don't actively go up and last hit, just stay at a safe spot and get exp.
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
Monv18hao
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada627 Posts
July 23 2014 18:34 GMT
#1367
thanks
“拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 18:35:35
July 23 2014 18:35 GMT
#1368
挂机 originally meant disconnect (it's still used like this actually). When you stand still, it looks like you DC'ed, which is how the term came into current usage.
TranslatorBaa!
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-23 18:37:16
July 23 2014 18:36 GMT
#1369
Np, thanks for the translation btw. The moment I heard them discussing about brew and razor I just got so very sad and closed the video orz. Heart still bleeding apparently ><
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
July 23 2014 23:38 GMT
#1370
On July 24 2014 01:56 nikuniku wrote:
Remember the leaked DK strategy video by Gamefy? It is here now

http://www.acfun.tv/v/ac1290929

Unfortunately, only in Chinese.


Is there any way to save this video? I think I need time to digest it but im scared it will disappear.

Additionally pretty sure this video disproves anything that "internal DK staff member" said. I doubt such a position exist.
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
July 23 2014 23:50 GMT
#1371
On July 24 2014 03:24 Monv18hao wrote:
I'm sure someone will be able to make a youtube version with subtitles and all after, but for now here's a text translation:

Lanm: Burning, what do you think about Brewmaster going up against Razor in mid?
Burning: Definitely will lose/be pressured [in the lane]
Lanm: That's for sure, but you can still soak up experience right?
Burning: Yeah....what do you want to ban? I suggest banning out Razor.
Lanm: I want to ban tinker, because our strategy is too scared of tinker. EG has first pick, then I pick 2 in a row, I might pick Shadow Shaman and Brewmaster, then EG can immediately pick Tinker afterwards. If they pick Tinker then our original strategy would be destroyed.
Burning: Then pick.....razor is hard to deal with, and your letting him go to mid [where he can get fat]
Lanm: To us, razor just makes our lanes weaker
Burning: Not just one lane, Razor is a hero who protects their team's formations, you know this! Have you seen why their supports are always good at team fights? It's because Razor goes tanky items and tanks in front.
Lanm: So I pick AA, Shadow Shaman, and Brewmaster so Razor can't tank in front.
Burning: Their Razor doesn't go mek. Have you seen his items? There were many games where Razor when heart and AC.
Lanm: I know he normally doesn't go mek, usually enigma gets mek afterwards. If we suppress/give a hard time to their supports, and their offlaner, they'll definitely go mek on this mid Razor.
Lanm: Actually the key here is the mid lane, I'm also worried about the problem in mid lane. I've given it a lot of thought, there are few heroes who can win against Razor. If they solo mid and we solo mid [to get maximum gold+exp], then mid has a hard time.
Burning: Have you looked at their picks and records on tinker?
Lanm: There were...two games! They pick only pick like this - Faceless void+Tinker - they pick like that.
Mushi: I think they will pick Razor
Lanm: Yeah, if there's Razor available they will definitely pick Razor. That's why I want this whole draft to follow my pace, but the only problem lies in mid.
Mushi: If they pick Faceless Void, will we still be able to pick Nature's Prophet and Shadow Shaman?
Lanm: We'll ban nature's prophet in the last 3 bans, we won't ban it for now.
Burning: Shadow Shaman can go force staff
Lanm: Our other support I might have to go for Nyx Assassin, probably will be Nyx+Shaman.
Mushi: Will nyx be afk/standing still?
Lanm: Yes it is. In truth it's the same as Shadow Shaman+AA, it's directed against mid. Actually if Brew goes against Tinker, can Brew go 50/50?
Burning: Brew will be a little suppressed.
Mushi: Let me think about the general idea....
Lanm: Anyways I only ask that their offlaner can't rely on supports to his levels.
Mushi: Actually I'm not horribly bad, the main thing is I'm mid...
Lanm: You mid or him mid, both of your heroes haven't been decided. If we get our hands on Brew then this is what'll happen, or perhaps OD.

Taken from text version on sgamer.
Note: This is a cut version of the video that's only 3 minutes long. According to others, the original was 10 minutes long.


Please post or link the 10 minutes video if you ever see it on Chinese forums or what not. I would love to see it.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 24 2014 00:02 GMT
#1372
there was
On July 24 2014 01:56 nikuniku wrote:
Remember the leaked DK strategy video by Gamefy? It is here now

http://www.acfun.tv/v/ac1290929

Unfortunately, only in Chinese.


http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/players-and-teams/454617-team-dk-discussion?page=68#1360
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Monv18hao
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada627 Posts
July 24 2014 05:37 GMT
#1373
On July 24 2014 08:50 Reson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 03:24 Monv18hao wrote:
I'm sure someone will be able to make a youtube version with subtitles and all after, but for now here's a text translation:

Lanm: Burning, what do you think about Brewmaster going up against Razor in mid?
Burning: Definitely will lose/be pressured [in the lane]
Lanm: That's for sure, but you can still soak up experience right?
Burning: Yeah....what do you want to ban? I suggest banning out Razor.
Lanm: I want to ban tinker, because our strategy is too scared of tinker. EG has first pick, then I pick 2 in a row, I might pick Shadow Shaman and Brewmaster, then EG can immediately pick Tinker afterwards. If they pick Tinker then our original strategy would be destroyed.
Burning: Then pick.....razor is hard to deal with, and your letting him go to mid [where he can get fat]
Lanm: To us, razor just makes our lanes weaker
Burning: Not just one lane, Razor is a hero who protects their team's formations, you know this! Have you seen why their supports are always good at team fights? It's because Razor goes tanky items and tanks in front.
Lanm: So I pick AA, Shadow Shaman, and Brewmaster so Razor can't tank in front.
Burning: Their Razor doesn't go mek. Have you seen his items? There were many games where Razor when heart and AC.
Lanm: I know he normally doesn't go mek, usually enigma gets mek afterwards. If we suppress/give a hard time to their supports, and their offlaner, they'll definitely go mek on this mid Razor.
Lanm: Actually the key here is the mid lane, I'm also worried about the problem in mid lane. I've given it a lot of thought, there are few heroes who can win against Razor. If they solo mid and we solo mid [to get maximum gold+exp], then mid has a hard time.
Burning: Have you looked at their picks and records on tinker?
Lanm: There were...two games! They pick only pick like this - Faceless void+Tinker - they pick like that.
Mushi: I think they will pick Razor
Lanm: Yeah, if there's Razor available they will definitely pick Razor. That's why I want this whole draft to follow my pace, but the only problem lies in mid.
Mushi: If they pick Faceless Void, will we still be able to pick Nature's Prophet and Shadow Shaman?
Lanm: We'll ban nature's prophet in the last 3 bans, we won't ban it for now.
Burning: Shadow Shaman can go force staff
Lanm: Our other support I might have to go for Nyx Assassin, probably will be Nyx+Shaman.
Mushi: Will nyx be afk/standing still?
Lanm: Yes it is. In truth it's the same as Shadow Shaman+AA, it's directed against mid. Actually if Brew goes against Tinker, can Brew go 50/50?
Burning: Brew will be a little suppressed.
Mushi: Let me think about the general idea....
Lanm: Anyways I only ask that their offlaner can't rely on supports to his levels.
Mushi: Actually I'm not horribly bad, the main thing is I'm mid...
Lanm: You mid or him mid, both of your heroes haven't been decided. If we get our hands on Brew then this is what'll happen, or perhaps OD.

Taken from text version on sgamer.
Note: This is a cut version of the video that's only 3 minutes long. According to others, the original was 10 minutes long.


Please post or link the 10 minutes video if you ever see it on Chinese forums or what not. I would love to see it.

Hm some are saying this is the cut version, some are saying it's the full version, I don't know who to believe, but this is the only one circulating around xD
“拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ
Adrian_mx
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico1880 Posts
July 24 2014 06:50 GMT
#1374
So much information, I swear DK is right for the job. It just never happened how it was suppose too. The rumours are being really drastic now. Videos leaking out, full convos with a "DK staff member", we the fans need to take this and still appreciate DK for what it is and not assume anything negative.
我是冠军
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
July 24 2014 15:32 GMT
#1375
I think the video leak affected DK psychologically.
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
July 24 2014 16:13 GMT
#1376
did it cause ice3 to go on a bloodlust for enchantress and go full feed?
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 24 2014 20:01 GMT
#1377
Lanm officially announced his retirement, but has burning said anything official? :/ I know it's all but certain but has there been confirmation? ;;
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
July 24 2014 20:07 GMT
#1378
No, he's apparently said on Weibo that he's not sure yet. There's hope!
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 21:54:46
July 24 2014 21:54 GMT
#1379


Rough translation - fy replacing Lanm on DK as support. One of the best supports in the world. Dream team!

Not the most reliable of sources ofc.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
July 24 2014 22:06 GMT
#1380
Vilat is literally just posting anything he hears anywhere, it's completely baseless. The source for that particular tweet was just someone who tweeted their dream team, and Vilat rewords it as a rumor.
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