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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 17 2015 17:45 GMT
#10521
dont forget sun wukong bar
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 17 2015 17:48 GMT
#10522
On February 18 2015 02:34 BurningSera wrote:
from the changes of all the patches (plus how the current meta works), i am building maelstrom and basher on every agi hero i play nowadays. Weaver basher strong i am serious.

you are about 2 metas too late

its now about the mom

actually thats old too
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 17 2015 17:58 GMT
#10523
Weaver is the true bashlord. Double bash in a single right click. All praise the bash lord.
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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
February 17 2015 18:02 GMT
#10524
Nevah forget SingSing MoM basher rapier QoP in an official game.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 17 2015 18:25 GMT
#10525
did sing sing ever go to sleep?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
February 17 2015 18:32 GMT
#10526
Are the servers being bad for anyone else? or is it just me?
No Artosis, you are robin
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 17 2015 18:40 GMT
#10527
On February 18 2015 03:32 Deathmanbob wrote:
Are the servers being bad for anyone else? or is it just me?

This is cute.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
February 17 2015 18:41 GMT
#10528
On February 18 2015 02:29 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 01:52 crms wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:35 dismiss wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:10 ahswtini wrote:
On February 17 2015 23:03 dismiss wrote:
But that's just how competitions work? You still give a lot of exposure to your sponsors, which is what they pay for. Tournaments being really topheavy is a PR thing, players definitely split the price pools, etc. It's common place and somewhat openly discussed in games such as poker. There also was a "scandal" about it back in SC2 and people basically went all ESPORTS.

how much does this happen in the more mainstream sports?

It probably doesn't happen that much in mainstream sports because salaries and sponsorship deals far outweight price pools. If it does, people won't advertise it publically, so it's hard to say exactly.
But I'm sure there's a fair amount of it going on in competitions where steady income hasn't outpaced tournament earnings. It being illegal won't stop many people, especially since it's a MAD deal.

it happens all the time in tournament poker, which may be a more appropriate analogy to esports than football, soccer, etc. since it's players competing for a prize and not about salary, sponsors etc.

it's even allowed by most organizations, here is an excerpt about it from Pokerstars:

If all remaining players in a tournament agree to split the prize money according to a formula of their choosing, PokerStars will accept this agreement, and alter the originally published tourney payouts to reflect the numbers agreed to in the deal.


while that might be the case, the fact that anyone is even remotely okay with it, is not a competitor. fuck that shit.

ESPORTS!!111
People with an unfounded, dumb attitude like yours are the reason why players in the video game scene just do it without ever publicising any details. Splitting prices has a lot of upsides, such as reducing risk, making it easier to calculate your income/ balance expenses thus enhancing one's ability to make a living off of playing the gamez, and ironing out quality payout structures (hi volvo).
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 17 2015 18:48 GMT
#10529
do people in actual sports really split money cause that sounds ridiculously close to colluding, assuming the split amounts are retarded (1st 25% 2nd 25% 3rd 25% etc)
what's the point of even playing for first then other than notoriety lol

that said I can see it working out if the original proportions were something like 1st 80% 2nd 10% 3rd 5% etc and they wanted to change it to something less top heavy
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 18:52:40
February 17 2015 18:50 GMT
#10530
On February 18 2015 03:41 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 02:29 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 18 2015 01:52 crms wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:35 dismiss wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:10 ahswtini wrote:
On February 17 2015 23:03 dismiss wrote:
But that's just how competitions work? You still give a lot of exposure to your sponsors, which is what they pay for. Tournaments being really topheavy is a PR thing, players definitely split the price pools, etc. It's common place and somewhat openly discussed in games such as poker. There also was a "scandal" about it back in SC2 and people basically went all ESPORTS.

how much does this happen in the more mainstream sports?

It probably doesn't happen that much in mainstream sports because salaries and sponsorship deals far outweight price pools. If it does, people won't advertise it publically, so it's hard to say exactly.
But I'm sure there's a fair amount of it going on in competitions where steady income hasn't outpaced tournament earnings. It being illegal won't stop many people, especially since it's a MAD deal.

it happens all the time in tournament poker, which may be a more appropriate analogy to esports than football, soccer, etc. since it's players competing for a prize and not about salary, sponsors etc.

it's even allowed by most organizations, here is an excerpt about it from Pokerstars:

If all remaining players in a tournament agree to split the prize money according to a formula of their choosing, PokerStars will accept this agreement, and alter the originally published tourney payouts to reflect the numbers agreed to in the deal.


while that might be the case, the fact that anyone is even remotely okay with it, is not a competitor. fuck that shit.

ESPORTS!!111
People with an unfounded, dumb attitude like yours are the reason why players in the video game scene just do it without ever publicising any details. Splitting prices has a lot of upsides, such as reducing risk, making it easier to calculate your income/ balance expenses thus enhancing one's ability to make a living off of playing the gamez, and ironing out quality payout structures (hi volvo).

And it only has the flaw of creating the nagging doubt if the players are playing as hard as they can to win the event and not phoning it in. So yeah, they should keep it to themselves if they are going to do it, or just not do it.

The only reason they get to play is because the audience believe they competing to the best of their ability. Take that belief away and the audience goes with it.

andyrau: In high level professional sports, no. Its against the rules and the prize pots are not really worth the risk compared to what the players are making. College sports doesn't have a prize pool. Some card games like MtG have had it, but even they are have adopted the "told let us know and its fine, but your fucked if we find out" rule.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 19:00:06
February 17 2015 18:57 GMT
#10531
So imagine you have half of your own action, and bought some from other players for another buyin which went pretty much break even/losing money.
Now you're in the top 3. Top 3 prizes are 5kk, 1.5kk amd 1kk. Assuming that no one has an enormous edge over the other players, would you rather have the 2.5kk guaranteed or 1kk and the chance to win more. You're just pissing money away unless you're the team seeded into the final. And even if you are it's not great value.
Also your knowledge about MtG rules is flawed, you can offer a split any time you want to and intentional draws are common place once you are wft8-x.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 19:02:01
February 17 2015 19:00 GMT
#10532
On February 18 2015 03:57 dismiss wrote:
So imagine you have half of your own action, and bought some from other players for another buyin which went pretty much break even/losing money.
Now you're in the top 3. Top 3 prizes are 5kk, 1.5kk amd 1kk. Assuming that no one has an enormous edge over the other players, would you rather have the 2.5kk guaranteed or 1kk and the chance to win more. You're just pissing money away unless you're the team seeded into the final. And even if you are it's not great value.

No one said it didn't make sense for them to do it. People are pointing out all the reasons why the audience does not like it and how it puts the shadow of collusion and cheating over the event. Of course it makes sense for the players to split the pot.

My information about magic rules come from a top ranked judge in Boston region who used to be on the pro circuit. It might be slightly outdated, but some events do have rules against prize splitting.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
February 17 2015 19:21 GMT
#10533
It's only pulls the shadow of collusion over a competition because people don't understand what's going on and elect to go all ESPORTS. You're still playing for fame as well as the potentitial sponsorship opportunities which may arise from that.
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
February 17 2015 19:27 GMT
#10534
On February 18 2015 03:41 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 02:29 BluemoonSC wrote:
On February 18 2015 01:52 crms wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:35 dismiss wrote:
On February 18 2015 00:10 ahswtini wrote:
On February 17 2015 23:03 dismiss wrote:
But that's just how competitions work? You still give a lot of exposure to your sponsors, which is what they pay for. Tournaments being really topheavy is a PR thing, players definitely split the price pools, etc. It's common place and somewhat openly discussed in games such as poker. There also was a "scandal" about it back in SC2 and people basically went all ESPORTS.

how much does this happen in the more mainstream sports?

It probably doesn't happen that much in mainstream sports because salaries and sponsorship deals far outweight price pools. If it does, people won't advertise it publically, so it's hard to say exactly.
But I'm sure there's a fair amount of it going on in competitions where steady income hasn't outpaced tournament earnings. It being illegal won't stop many people, especially since it's a MAD deal.

it happens all the time in tournament poker, which may be a more appropriate analogy to esports than football, soccer, etc. since it's players competing for a prize and not about salary, sponsors etc.

it's even allowed by most organizations, here is an excerpt about it from Pokerstars:

If all remaining players in a tournament agree to split the prize money according to a formula of their choosing, PokerStars will accept this agreement, and alter the originally published tourney payouts to reflect the numbers agreed to in the deal.


while that might be the case, the fact that anyone is even remotely okay with it, is not a competitor. fuck that shit.

ESPORTS!!111
People with an unfounded, dumb attitude like yours are the reason why players in the video game scene just do it without ever publicising any details. Splitting prices has a lot of upsides, such as reducing risk, making it easier to calculate your income/ balance expenses thus enhancing one's ability to make a living off of playing the gamez, and ironing out quality payout structures (hi volvo).


are you for fucking real? no wonder esports is considered a pipe dream and a joke.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 17 2015 19:27 GMT
#10535
How does one go "all ESPORTS"? This appears to be a corner stone of your argument its I am not familiar with the process.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
February 17 2015 19:38 GMT
#10536
On February 18 2015 04:27 Plansix wrote:
How does one go "all ESPORTS"? This appears to be a corner stone of your argument its I am not familiar with the process.


Like this! http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/Store/kennigit_crop.jpg
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 17 2015 19:40 GMT
#10537
On February 18 2015 04:38 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 04:27 Plansix wrote:
How does one go "all ESPORTS"? This appears to be a corner stone of your argument its I am not familiar with the process.


Like this! http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/Store/kennigit_crop.jpg

Ordering aviators right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
February 17 2015 19:46 GMT
#10538
On February 18 2015 04:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 04:38 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On February 18 2015 04:27 Plansix wrote:
How does one go "all ESPORTS"? This appears to be a corner stone of your argument its I am not familiar with the process.


Like this! http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/Store/kennigit_crop.jpg

Ordering aviators right now.


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The real esports right here rocking the CJ entus as well
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
February 17 2015 20:03 GMT
#10539
Man I miss teamliquid.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 17 2015 20:19 GMT
#10540
so many ass blasted mad people about video game pros and electronic sports for overweight people u all need jesus
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