EPTOfficial 'what is Dota anymore' discussion - Page 2536
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teddyoojo
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goody153
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teddy also made me check about the 2-15 lol well TI3 format decided 5 teams tournament life in 10 matches with b01's i'm not sure how's that better than TI4 at least you need to win against half the teams not just 1 team | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On July 08 2015 03:48 goody153 wrote: Well for the players sure cause half the teams get crushed and not even gonna make it to the main event. Maybe the audience too since they won't see their favorite teams play out the main event but does that really matter cause the shit teams and the teams that has a lot of fanboys but not really good would only be able to play 1 to 2 series anyways unless they got lucky in the bracket The format gives the "world championship" vibes that it's a tournament of the year that's it's not the payday tournament but rather a tournament where everybody has to work so hard. It's a "kill or be killed " thing since it's the biggest tournament of the year why not make it the hardest and the most threatening one. Not just a event with a lot of money but still the same as other tournaments. Actually if you want everybody to play the main stage since it's gonna end up another massive tie's with the decent teams if they play the bubble race on the stadium i think i'd be the same and not different from the normal bracket in terms of enjoyment. Not to mention they maintain the hype of the tournament. I think people are just upset last year cause ehem ALMOST ALL WESTERN FAVORITES GOT ELIMINATED. what in the world why bother inviting teams to play at a finals when half of them are sitting in the audience during the event how does that make for a good tournament at all it's like half the teams at the world cup playing their games behind closed doors with no audience, and then getting 'invited' to sit in the stands during quarterfinals hows that a good idea at all you can still have 'elimination hype' or whatever it is ur talking about in ur post without resorting to forcing teams to bow out before the actual tournament even begins | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7087 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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goody153
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On July 08 2015 04:00 andyrau wrote: what in the world why bother inviting teams to play at a finals when half of them are sitting in the audience during the event how does that make for a good tournament at all it's like half the teams at the world cup playing their games behind closed doors with no audience, and then getting 'invited' to sit in the stands during quarterfinals hows that a good idea at all you can still have 'elimination hype' or whatever it is ur talking about in ur post without resorting to forcing teams to bow out before the actual tournament even begins Why not ? it's the biggest tournament of the year , it's tournament where everybody works so hard to get into all year long , it's the tournament that gives the biggest pay out of all even for the worst placing teams and it's the tournament where the pay is multiple times more than every other tournament of the year @bolded : The elimination hype is hugely different. And how is it even better if the worst teams are gonna get eliminated after 1-2 series anyways ? And not to mention they will just fuck around during group stages if it had one. And the elimination group stages really helps since everybody played against everybody and they tried their hardest not fuck around like what happens on other group stages when they know they are gonna qualify already. On July 08 2015 04:01 tehh4ck3r wrote: this year they might just use the ti3 bracket but do all bo3's since they have an extra day compared to ti3 ugh hopefully shit like liquid eliminating lgd on ti3(pls don't kill me) don't happen again .. well if they use b03 i guess it's fine On July 08 2015 04:03 SKC wrote: its not just the amount of games on the main stage. The order that they were played was also terrible. yeah day 1 having the 1st grand finalist already was pretty fuckiing bad not sure why they thought it was a good idea to play out the winners bracket grand finals on the first day not on the 2nd or 3rd day last year | ||
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CorsairHero
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On July 08 2015 04:16 CorsairHero wrote: i just want to see liquid play on the main stage ok who??? | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
idk if youre just not comprehending english or something but I'll repeat it again you can still have 'elimination hype' without having half the games played with no audience for those teams (and the audience) there's literally no difference between the invite to TI and playing in a hypothetical offline qualifiers for TI. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
CN privilege means they had an edge at ti4 my model says so | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 08 2015 04:24 eieio wrote: just let me choose who wins each match imo Your lack of flair means that you either have no passion or no bias - clearly the ultimate way of settling DotA disputes. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
to show support for Ben Merlini Wu | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7087 Posts
last year's format was a direct result of them only having 4 days to run the whole bracket as opposed to 5 like they did at ti3 this year they have 6 days to run the whole bracket, which means that the format will almost certainly be a 16 team bo1 group stage to determine seeds into a double elim bracket similar to what was at TI3 | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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goody153
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The difference is that 6-10 teams on TI gets into the event without really much work like yeah sure they proved themselves the entire year so they get invited but everybody gets a huge pay even for the worst placing ones without much effort on the event itself (outside the prepartion they did before getting into TI ofc obviously). It feels like another tournament. And even if they kept the same round robin group stages(without the elimination factor aside from the bottom 1-3) there's no real guarantee that they will be serious 100% of the matches. Which really kills cause half the matches wouldn't matter anyways for most teams anyways. And there's another benefit for it which is we get to see our favorite team to play all the teams in the event in a serious manner. On July 08 2015 04:27 tehh4ck3r wrote: eliminating half the teams before the main event is shitty last year's format was a direct result of them only having 4 days to run the whole bracket as opposed to 5 like they did at ti3 this year they have 6 days to run the whole bracket, which means that the format will almost certainly be a 16 team bo1 group stage to determine seeds into a double elim bracket similar to what was at TI3 ugh w/e since most teams are gonna play anyways half of those round robin b01 games are gonna be irrelevant cause there's no guarantee they'd take that shit seriously anyways (game quality is gonna be bad since teams don't have much to lose if they lose as long as they secure their spot in the playoffs or get seeded nicely for the TI contenders) w/e but i'll take it as long as they keep the 16 b01's before main event | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7087 Posts
On July 08 2015 04:28 goody153 wrote: The "hype" is hugely different. The difference is that 6-10 teams on TI gets into the event without really much work like yeah sure they proved themselves the entire year so they get invited but everybody gets a huge pay even for the worst placing ones without much effort on the event itself (outside the prepartion they did before getting into TI ofc obviously). It feels like another tournament. And even if they kept the same round robin group stages(without the elimination factor aside from the bottom 1-3) there's no real guarantee that they will be serious 100% of the matches. Which really kills cause half the matches wouldn't matter anyways for most teams anyways. And there's another benefit for it which is we get to see our favorite team to play all the teams in the event in a serious manner. ugh w/e since most teams are gonna play anyways half of those round robin b01 games are gonna be irrelevant cause there's no guarantee they'd take that shit seriously anyways (game quality is gonna be bad since teams don't have much to lose if they lose) the teams took the ti2 and ti3 round robin stages seriously, and the matches there were equally irrelevant by your standards under the ti4 format there was no reason for arrow gaming or na'vi us to take any matches seriously after day 2 but they still did as well this is TI teams aren't just going to joke around | ||
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On July 08 2015 04:27 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: cut the middleman and just make a merlini flair for eieio I want merlini flair or icon so bad [h]merlini[/h]pls | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On July 08 2015 04:33 eieio wrote: I want merlini flair or icon so bad [h]merlini[/h]pls Can't you just make one for yourself, or do you have to convince (or threaten) someone to implement it for you? | ||
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