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Kupon3ss
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Plansix
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On July 03 2015 04:22 SKC wrote: And all that discussion is about the point in the game where casters are weaker by a very big margin. One of the ways I solved that problem in Pathfinder was to lower the memorization times to 30 minutes and let players swap out spells. It made players way more keen to scout out fights and plan ahead. Plus it let me make tighter, more challenging encounters in general. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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SKC
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Kupon3ss
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Plansix
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I don't run a bunch of pathfinder anyways. My crew enjoys games like 7th Sea, Unknown Armies and Mutants and Master Minds. On July 03 2015 05:40 Kupon3ss wrote: truly superior 4th edition DMing Since the metric of Table Top RPG success is based on player enjoyment, you assessment is truly 4th edition level. | ||
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SKC
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Being limited by which spells they get at least makes it less absurd, being able to regain and swap spells on a short rest sounds bonkers. And making the encounters harder by buffing mages hardly matters when the issue is the gap between them and other classes. The poor monk will just feel ever more useless. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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On July 03 2015 05:44 Plansix wrote: No. Because they can plan per encounter, I can place a higher burden on the players to max out their efficiency. And the players enjoyed it more because they liked planning ahead and deconstructing encounters. I don't run a bunch of pathfinder anyways. My crew enjoys games like 7th Sea, Unknown Armies and Mutants and Master Minds. Since the metric of Table Top RPG success is based on player enjoyment, you assessment is truly 4th edition level. Iono the only player you've described seems to have been rather upset at your response to his #antifun #nocounterplay #lv1spell | ||
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Plansix
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The main issue with spells is that they can only be used once and if they fail, you need a new plan. If you are using flight or levitation to go over a pit and the pit happens to be trapped with a magic gust of wind that knocks anything passing over into the ceiling, you're out luck. On July 03 2015 05:49 Kupon3ss wrote: Iono the only player you've described seems to have been rather upset at your response to his #antifun #nocounterplay #lv1spell He was my super power gamer of the group and always whined when the encounter changed or had things he didn't anticipate. The concept of more enemies showing up mid fight also irritated him. He needed to be managed most. | ||
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Shaella
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Plansix
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On July 03 2015 05:55 Shaella wrote: all 9th level spells casting classes that are prepared are basically the strongest. 9th level spell are when you need to look carefully at the component rules as a GM. They are the limiting factor. | ||
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SKC
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Plansix
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BluemoonSC
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On July 03 2015 05:11 Kupon3ss wrote: the real difference is just that one is successful in obtaining MMR Wow gottem real good! Furthermore only one of us has stood in for team liquid too. | ||
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Shaella
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On July 03 2015 06:03 Plansix wrote: And if you assume they are always prepared, its easier to build encounters around them. Even my boy with double memorizing color spray wasn't robbing people of their fun. >assume they are always prepared Those are spontaneous casters I know your game mastery level is low but jesus, if you don't understand why Wizards and Druids and Clerics are like 10x better than the fighter (which is actually a respectable tier 4 class that does its job well with the proper archetypes) then your game mastery of PF is really low. | ||
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CorsairHero
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hahahahahahahahahahaha | ||
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Plansix
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SKC
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Some stuff was broken. They tried to fix in 3.5. It helped, but the same kind of stuff was still broken. They tried to fix it in Pathfinder. It helped, but the same kind of stuff was STILL broken. Either your house rules are so much better than all the work put into 3.0 over a decade, or you have to accept that there are some flaws with the core of the system that makes casters overpowered compared to other classes. You would have to rewrite the whole system, so you may as well play another version. Or accept it has flaws you can't just fix with GM magic. Doesn't mean you can't play it, doesn't mean its bad, doesn't mean it isn't fun, but it is still a big issue in the system. | ||
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Plansix
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Shaella
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