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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
July 02 2015 21:39 GMT
#49581
Meh, imo broken stuff happens in every edition. 5e really really tries to make characters balanced with the inclusion of the advantage/disadvantage system. You can't stack up skills/atk bonuses or whatever else to absurd levels in 5e for example. You can still go crazy on the optimization and make some silly characters, but haven't played enough to know.

like kupo said, 3.5 is dota, succesors are superiormobas. But I generally like 5e because it's more focused on RP than combat so it turns out okay. adnd is basically aeon of strife, gg.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 02 2015 21:43 GMT
#49582
why not play warhammer instead aka tabletop moba
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-02 21:47:21
July 02 2015 21:45 GMT
#49583
It's mostly the amount of options. Early editions didn't leave you much room to mess with your character, so it was harder to break the system.

In the 3rd they added a shitton of feats and classes and allowed so many options that it impossible to balance it.

In the 5th they went back to the early system where your character progress is mostly railroaded, plus they cut down the multiclassing. I also haven't played that much with it, but it's hard to imagine it being nearly as broken as the 3rd.

On July 03 2015 06:43 ahswtini wrote:
why not play warhammer instead aka tabletop moba


4th edition is almost a tabletop moba. Without all the money spent with miniatures and painting (sometimes).
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
July 02 2015 21:48 GMT
#49584
You can still multiclass but it's more limited I guess. But yeah 3/3.5 are broken because there's so much stuff available. It's only an issue if people try to make OP characters though, who does that.

It's like people who pick lesh/bs/sb/undying in pubs, fuck.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 02 2015 21:48 GMT
#49585
On July 03 2015 06:38 Shaella wrote:
Guys its not worth it p6s game mastery of pf is so low he cant be reasoned with because he is actually just oblivious

Its not my fault you didn't learn shit we knew in the 90s.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 02 2015 21:56 GMT
#49586
best part of warhammer was smelling the fumes from the glue
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 02 2015 22:01 GMT
#49587
Goblin tar pit armies are the tinker of Warhammer. Only rivaled by Skaven gun line armies.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 02 2015 22:06 GMT
#49588
P6 I know u think you're smart but your understanding is rudimentary at best much like your understanding of dota
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 02 2015 22:10 GMT
#49589
On July 03 2015 07:06 Shaella wrote:
P6 I know u think you're smart but your understanding is rudimentary at best much like your understanding of dota

Not my fault you failed to read the section on change the rules on page 11 of the 3rd edition DMs guide. And every other table top RPG ever made. You should get like at least 15 pages in before you claim other peoples understanding is rudimentary.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 02 2015 22:22 GMT
#49590
On July 03 2015 07:10 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2015 07:06 Shaella wrote:
P6 I know u think you're smart but your understanding is rudimentary at best much like your understanding of dota

Not my fault you failed to read the section on change the rules on page 11 of the 3rd edition DMs guide. And every other table top RPG ever made. You should get like at least 15 pages in before you claim other peoples understanding is rudimentary.

I'm not claiming it is just a fact. houserules are good but they cannot fix a system that at its core has deep problems, a player that understands a wizard can break the game a number of ways that require a more skilled and prepared gm than a fighter ever can. these are just facts about the pf system

The fighter hits things that's all he really does the wizard has nearly unlimited options to overcome basically any obstacle because of how the game is designed
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-02 22:28:37
July 02 2015 22:24 GMT
#49591
A couple of guys from our GoT view party (like 10 ppl) are into DnD and play everyweek on a shop. So we wanted to try it and they finally arranged a game for us the week after GoT ended (so we would keep the same weekly schedule meeting up).
I proceed to create a thiefling monk and be like "hey fuck hermit I wanna be a sailor". Proceed to roll traits n shit.
Sailor

CHAOTIC
EVIL
Deal with the fkin pirate now!

bond: avenge my captain.

flaw: follow orders even if I disagree.

After the flaw roll I talk to the DM "yo this makes no sense, how can a chaotic evil pirate follow orders he doesn't agree with?", some minutes of discussion and he comes up "dude you followed your captains orders that u disagreed with, they made you a bad guy and now that he is dead you don't have to follow any orders"

YEAHHH MOST OP LORE!!!! proceed to die in the first fight with a single axe swing.

Was fun. The DM was kinda of an ass though, he could have let me live, all the DnD people, him included, said that what I did was according to my character story so why kill me for it.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 02 2015 22:24 GMT
#49592
the problem isn't in changing the rules, its the fact that your changing of the rules actually has the exact opposite effect as your intentions but you're too oblivious to understand the basic gameplay mechanics of core classes

the dota equivalent of p6 did is basically he said
'hey every hero can reassign all their skillpoints on level up because this would let them #scoutingahead #strategicdiversity #unapprovedspells
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 02 2015 22:26 GMT
#49593
On July 03 2015 07:24 Kupon3ss wrote:
the problem isn't in changing the rules, its the fact that your changing of the rules actually has the exact opposite effect as your intentions but you're too oblivious to understand the basic gameplay mechanics of core classes

the dota equivalent of p6 did is basically he said
'hey every hero can reassign all their skillpoints on level up because this would let them #scoutingahead #strategicdiversity #unapprovedspells

Right he buffed wizards like hahaha
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 02 2015 22:27 GMT
#49594
More like reasign them every time you go back to the fountain.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
July 02 2015 22:39 GMT
#49595
Tried to watch Zai stream but his music was literally making my head hurt. Thats never happened to me before.

Never again.
Skol
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 02 2015 22:47 GMT
#49596
What music does Zai play?
kiss kiss fall in love
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
July 02 2015 22:51 GMT
#49597
It was playing something that I am pretty sure had the same music as bullet with butterfly wings by Smashing pumpkins but with different lyrics.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 02 2015 22:51 GMT
#49598
smash mouth/imagine remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 02 2015 23:00 GMT
#49599
On July 03 2015 07:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
What music does Zai play?

he was saying he showed rtz how to rtz music earlier then played rtz style music
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 02 2015 23:10 GMT
#49600
On July 03 2015 07:22 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2015 07:10 Plansix wrote:
On July 03 2015 07:06 Shaella wrote:
P6 I know u think you're smart but your understanding is rudimentary at best much like your understanding of dota

Not my fault you failed to read the section on change the rules on page 11 of the 3rd edition DMs guide. And every other table top RPG ever made. You should get like at least 15 pages in before you claim other peoples understanding is rudimentary.

I'm not claiming it is just a fact. houserules are good but they cannot fix a system that at its core has deep problems, a player that understands a wizard can break the game a number of ways that require a more skilled and prepared gm than a fighter ever can. these are just facts about the pf system

The fighter hits things that's all he really does the wizard has nearly unlimited options to overcome basically any obstacle because of how the game is designed

I've DMed games for over 20 years and I've never found a system that I could adjust to make more interesting or challenge my players. And I have not had the problem with OP wizards or really anything that you describe in a very long time. There is no table top system that is perfect and if your players get out of control or don't have fun its your fault. Players only get OP if you let them.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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